WE FORCED THEIR HAND. The Palin/Baby Rumor was EFFECTIVE. See worry worts...

Without the pressure that this site and other blogs were applying on the Palin/Baby rumor, McCain/Palin WOULD NEVER have revealed this little tidbit prior to the Repuke Convention. Our efforts WORKED and forced their hand.

A big told-you-so to the worry wort DUers around here bemoaning the fact that other DUers were engaged in behavior beneath that of a Democrat.

This how you play the game!

Now, McCain/Palin are FORCED to deal with an unwed, teenage girl from a supposedly "Good Xtian Family" as a campaign issue. Palin is further revealed to be less-than-perfect and a hypocrite.

WE WON THIS ROUND! Enjoy it.

J

any whisper campaign is damaging.

J

Winning an election.

Long time no read. And yes, you're 'zackly right.

Palin's selection has made things fun again. :evilgrin:

:thumbsup:

McCain knew and decided not to disclose it. Fuck him.

Without our pressure, this would have trickled out late in the game and quietly. Now, it is an early and pominent campaign issue...particularly because the rumor is still fresh and floating around.

J

:dem:

they would have kept it a secret until after the election.

Even though 'babygate' was a lie ...it still brought us the truth.

So to all those people who said we should lay off ...sorry, you were wrong.

Bristol might still "tragically miscarry" soon, or some other weird scenario...

Seriously?

If you read the various stories, they announced it now *because* of those rumors.

It would have come out between now and the election. Too many cameras, not enough blankets and coats.

She doesn't have to be, not at all. Sure she was this weekend for the first few rallies. But I'll bet you she would have disappeared.

They were obviously trying to hide it. The blogs pushing the rumor obviously forced them to reveal it before they wanted it to come out, even if it was going to come out eventually.

She's pregnant. They obviously didn't want to release it right now. They were forced to, EVEN IF they were planning on doing it later.

Like I said, if they hadn't been forced to reveal it, you wouldn't have been seeing too much of Bristol after the initial weekend of the VP announcement.

She's pregnant. They obviously didn't want to release it right now. They were forced to, EVEN IF they were planning on doing it later.

Like I said, if they hadn't been forced to reveal it, you wouldn't have been seeing too much of Bristol after the initial weekend of the VP announcement.

already. People noticed that. Even though the daughter held Trig, the tummy area is visible on some of the photos and you could tell something was going on.

baby blanket was an immediate tipoff. That was no ordinary baby blanket, it was humongous, and it was very carefully draped and probably pinned in place.

McCain's people knew, if not McCain.

Especially since their Convention platform rails against teenage pregnancy and abortion.

J

I just can't believe that the pregnancy would have been concealed between now and the election. Sorry.

The ancient art of Tai-Ming.

The beauty of this one is that it effectively rewrites Palin's narrative in a way the campaign can't really control. How, exactly, did these good conservative Christians let their underage daughter go out and get herself knocked up? Was Palin distracted from her duties as a perent by her job? Who's the father? How old is he? Did little Bristol and her beau do it on that bearskin rug in the Governor's office? Are the other kids sexually active, too? It just gets worse and worse, as you can see. And Obama and Biden never have to say a word, except, "Hey, it's none of our business. Good luck to 'em!" This may be the fastest VP-pick meltdown in history. You have to wonder what other bodies are in the family freezer (and/or buns in the family oven). In a word, it's perfect. Tabloids here we come!

Hence why she has been holding the other baby over her belly the entire time she's been in public.

otherwise!!!!11 :crazy: :crazy:

you people who focus and OBSESS on these tacky jerry springer sideshows NEED FUCKING LIVES.

This is a BIG story that's going to get major play in the tabloids, the internets, and the TV tabloid shows. People LOVE this shit. And it does raise a lot of questions about Palin and her husband's parenting skills. If they can't keep their underage daughters from getting themselves knocked up, what CAN they do, exactly?

snow mobile and play with guns....:shrug:

:toast:

I'm a Liberal Democrat.
I don't care who is or isn't pregnant.
I don't care who is fucking whom as long as they are above the age of consent.

The only thing I find remarkable about this whole episode is that at least one Republican is having heterosexual sex....not that there is anything wrong with that. :)

Lets move on and focus on the issues.

you can feel proud that you helped contribute to it. If you sling shit, they will sling it back, and in the end all you'll have is a bunch of people covered in crap. You can celebrate, but to me, it just stinks.

J

J

And anyway, if we become them to get more votes, they win, not us. But that's probably over your head.

It's fighting back.

You engage in a fisticuffs with the street bully, Queensberry rules.

I'll kick him in the balls with my steel toed construction boots, then fart on his head when he hits the ground.

I'll bet you my last nickel the bully avoids me and picks on you. I win, and I don't "become the bully."

The Republicans have ALWAYS run clean campaigns! We've opened the DOOR! WHAT THE HELL HAVE WE DONE?


:sarcasm:

1. They don't need justification, they do it anyway. When are we going to get the picture that the Republicans don't care about us, our thoughts, or our concerns?

2. Our disdain and criticism has done nothing for us in the past. Why in the hell should we stick to methods that have been proven to lead to failure? The Republicans keep fighting mean, we keep criticizing, they keep winning presidential elections (or keeping it close enough to cheat), and the cycle continues, while they laugh at us.

If you want to know the real reasons Dems are painted as "weak," this is it. The infuriating reasonableness that says that we can never kick a bully in the balls because its not fair fighting.

J

They have been slinging shit for at least the last 15 years..don't you remember the Clinton years and the rumors about Vince Foster and Ron Brown bieng killed by the Clintons to cover up Whitewatter?
Or all the rumors about Hillary?
We just got the nerv to start slinging it back at them and they will think twice before they try any other shit slinging.

Obama went through a pretty rigorous vetting during the primaries.

Joe Biden was vetted by Obama's team as we waited and waited for the selection.

Palin was an impulse pick in knee-jerk response to the events of the Democratic Convention. And this is what it's getting them.

Now they have to assess the amount of damage control they'll need to do because they knew nothing about this woman other than the fact that she WAS a woman whom they thought could siphon off votes from Hillary's supporters.

You think this is going to trigger the dirt digging on Obama and Biden? They weren't doing that anyway? Give me a fucking break. :eyes:

J

"fair" means both sides have the same opportunities and make the most of them, right?

So, there's no way this isn't "fair" at all.

Problem is we've ALWAYS let them have the advantage, so when we actually level the playing field, they get to cry "foul"

Uh uh. Screw that.

So at what age do you think the elitist muslim, Barack Obama, learned the terrorist fist bump from his good friend, Ayers? According to you, these weren't dirty attacks at all. :eyes:

was born. I mean seriously; Texas and Washington are such vile, unworthy states to her that she would risk the life of her child just to ensure that they weren't born there? :wtf: How can anyone be prepared to lead America if they despise 49 of our states?

This will probably come up now with all this talk about babies.

a little quicker than other sites, but, it was out there. Google Palin trig baby 2008 , see what you get. Buried.

J

Congratulations to the folks here at DU and Daily Kos for doing real Journalism. The MSM likely would have never reported this without pressure people like you.


Cheers!

:kick:

Take note that Obama and Biden did NOT have to do anything or touch this subject. THEY stay "above the fray" and discuss the issues. The netroots is TRYING to force the ass-kissing RW M$M to start doing their jobs and stop the orgasmic, LSD-fueled orgy that they are engaging in for anything repuke... no matter how insane or nonsensical.

It's like a HUGE party every time I open the freakin' browser!!!!!!!!!!!!

...it worked for them in 2004. Let's see if sauce for the goose IS INDEED sauce for the gander.

Duke

Cheers! I'm going to drink a shot now to celebrate our VICTORY!

J

and why should it be? It puts the first story to rest, and that was the deal-breaker. This one isn't.

They couldn't have kept this hidden with Bristol on the campaign trail and getting increasingly pregnant. One might argue it's better for THEM that it came out now and not closer to the election. Now the story will fade away and be a distant memory by Nov. 4. If it came out 2 weeks before the election it would have shattered the image they built of Palin as Wonder Woman.

Some of the conservatives might not admit it, but I guarantee you that this changes some of their views about Palin.

Because she is having the baby. They would prefer abstinence until marriage, but they will suddenly embrace the evangelical, heroic, sweet teen mother because she is going to have the baby! That is ultimately the most important issue to them!

Don't kid yourself, the playbook is NOT for the
teen to keep the WHITE child.

Barren Christians MUST reproduce somehow!

The McCain campaign is trying to tie the rumors to Obama, but he has done nothing at all.

And now it's been forced out. Keeps the McGramps campaign on the defensive, staving off panic mode. Sooner or later they'll hit meltdown mode that not even election theft can cover.

A senior McCain campaign official said the McCain camp was appalled that these rumors had not only been spread around liberal blog sites and partisan Democrats, but also were the subject of heightened interest from mainstream news media. "The despicable rumors that have been spread by liberal blogs, some even with Barack Obama's name in them, is a real anchor around the Democratic ticket, pulling them down in the mud in a way that certainly juxtaposes themselves against their 'campaign of change,"' a senior aide said.

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This does Barack Obama no good.

The Palin family home remedy for severe cases of mono is an innoculation of some sort.

So they might want to tone that shit DOWN.....

Perhaps some LTTEs from us are needed this week to clarify that the issue is not the pregnancy, but rather poor judgment and parenting on Palin's part and the obvious failure of abstinence-only programs even when preached in christian homes.

Mom is against birth control. Daughter ends up pregnant. 1 + 1 = 2 and Mr. Occam approves.

before they all loved us

In case you hadn't noticed, all fucking news eyes are on Hurricane Gustav. OOPS.

Teenage pregnancy amongst Bible-thumping do-gooders, no less. I can guarantee you that McCain's group did NOT want this information out there prior to their Convention.

As I note before, WE FORCED THEIR HAND. Just enjoy the moment...

J

This would have come out either way, and it would have been far better timed to come out in October.

By the way - I think you owe the admins about a $500 donation - at the very least - for using their message board and all the people in it for your marketing campaign.

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You might feel better taking the high road, but in the meantime those of us you decry worked to push the Palin/Baby story hard. This effort then forced it into the mainstream with people like Andrew Sullivan, at which point McCain's group could COVER IT UP NO LONGER.

I can guarantee you that they did NOT want this out their prior to the Repuke Convention.

They reacted because our attacks were EFFECTIVE. You just don't get it, do you?

J

Gov Palin could have stayed in her little cushy office in Alaska and there would have been far fewer consequences for her and her daughter once the news was released. It was GOV PALIN who accepted the offer to be the VP nominee that put her and all associated with her into the limelight. Surely, the woman cannot be that naive to think any skeletons in her closet would not be exposed once she was on the national stage. She only had to look at the John Edwards scandal or even how the Repugs went after Obama's pastor,and his and Michelle's associations.

Did Gov Palin even sit down with her husband and daughter and discuss for one minute the ramifications of her running on the ticket and the impact of her daughter's pregnancy? Or is she just too ambitious and competitive to have even thought it through. And then there is the hypocrisy of the whole religious right thing.

I feel for her daughter, but I blame Gov Palin, not the liberal blogs.

The cat was out of the bag, so to say.

According to reports her spokesperson in Alaska did not even know the daughter was pregnant until 2 days ago. It would obviously have come out sooner than later. If I had to make a guess, they were hoping for later.

there is NO WAY in hell i would do this to either of my children. and i wouldnt blame the whole world. i would blame myself for NOT taking care of those i love

for her kids and their protection...... she threw them under the bus.

as a parent nothing would be worth me doing something to harm my children. it was a totally selfish act on the parents part

every post i have been consistent. doesnt have to do with me, or du, or dem..... this has to do with a mom that wanted to be vp at her kids expense she gets to own it

i am so into personal responsibility it is a no brainer, easy for me. i dont shift blame, i dont make excuses, i own things. and this mom gets to own what she did.

People notice something like that.

as her policy positions.

Sorry to interrupt your Democrat-trashing, but there you have it.....

Snoop into other women's uteruses, no matter what her crazy religious beliefs tell her.

is that this means that Sarah Palin was apparently very reckless about the safety of the baby she was carrying.

J

Her judgment is terrible.

about this woman. have to the slide somewhere. this now allows reporters to go after them

so that when the pregnancy news came out, the McCain campaign could say that they had to do it to respond to "left wing smears."

Remember, the first news that leaked was that Bristol was pregnant. Then, for some reason, there was a sudden shit to the crazy "fake baby" story.

Did you see the photo from the People shoot? Bristol is CLEARLY pregnant. See also the People cover. As soon as I saw these photos, I knew THAT was the real story. Grandmagate just delayed things a few days and allowed the McCain campaign to slam the left when making the announcement.

The Rethugs only object to it when it involves black unwed mothers.

When it's young white girls, they get very understanding.

One high school I taught at had a very successful teen parenting program. Most of the teens in the program were white. Once a girl announced she was pregnant, both she and her boyfriend (assuming he was a student at the school, and in every case except for one incest case they were) were required to attend parenting classes. These were several a day-- a boot camp, really-- and continued after the baby was born. It was a highly effective program, but was shut down by the fundamentalists in the community who thought it "sent the wrong message." I spoke to a number of parents about this-- all had the same belief, similarly worded, as though they'd heard it from the pulpit. There was no thought to the fact that most teen moms stay in the community, and five years after the birth, their kids join the school community. There was no thought to the fact that these infants had nothing to do with any mistake their parents made, or to the likelihood that without appropriate parenting these infants would be raised on TV and be far behind once they began school. It was all about punishing these teens for their indiscretions.

You guys got punked by right-wing operatives.

I've seen their discussion forums. They were having fun with all of you.

Seriously, if you are that naive then there's not much hope. The Freepers are trying to spin it to their favor. They have more practice with this sort of thing.

J

J

and they decided to go with her anyway, I'd bet the farm that their gamble was the hope that Obama would attack her and it would make him look bad, make women feel sorry for her, all the false outrage the Repubs do so well. Obama didn't fall for it, of course, not only is he too sharp for that one, but I feel he's sincere. Us, the bloggers, I say, luckily, in spite of the fact we fell for the bait it just happens to work out for Obama.

Great outcome. I'm sick of these christo-fascist/repuke a**holes and don't mind in the least fighting dirty w/them. Jusdt wished it hadn't come in a news dump (while the hurricane is going on) - - - but with this,trooper-gate, AIP-gate, DUI-Gate, Palin is the gift that just keeps on giving and I am giddy w/anticipation at how this all will play out in the new cycle.