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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 02:32 PM
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Bristol Palin's pregnancy is a non-issue.
I agree with our nominee. We are better than the last 8 years. To me, that includes the type of slash and burn character assassination tactics of the rovians. To me, that leaves families issues, and especially the children OUT of it.

I know that I've been among those who've had their fun demeaning the bush twins, but for most of their father's presidency, they were at least adults.

We have enough to go after BOTH McSame and Palin(comparison) on their positions, his judgment, her extremism and their general cluelessness. It amazed me that yesterday, in my admittedly cursory skip through the morning news shows, and this morning on Today and GMA, there were NO SARAH PALIN INTERVIEWS. I did, however see McSame on faux, Cindy McSame on ABC and pawlenty on Meet the Press saying what a wonderful pick Palin(comparison) is.

HMMM...Hide the candidate while you and your surrogates go about praising her. To me, that resembles a mass attempt to put lipstick on the pig.

The rethuglicans know that they bought a lemon. Let us work on electing our ticket on ISSUES. Leave the Kids alone.

We're better than that. We also have WAY too much ammo to use to get into the rovian ocean of shit.

PEACE!
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 02:34 PM
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1. We don't have to do a thing. The media sensationalism will do it for us.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 02:46 PM
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18. Perfect
Love it.
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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 02:35 PM
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2. I wonder if that would be true given she was non-white and non-GOP?
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 02:36 PM
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5. It would be for me. nt
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 02:36 PM
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3. Agreed. nt
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 02:36 PM
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4. Sarah Palin's Glaring Hypocrisy: HUGE ISSUE.
The media will give Bristol's pregnancy way too much attention, her mom's vile hypocrisy on sex education and reproductive health care rights: not so much.
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 02:43 PM
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14. Yes, HER hypocracy.
Leave the kid out.

I'm probably wearing my parent hat as well as my political, but we have too much on both of them to use a 17 year old girl.

PEACE!
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 02:37 PM
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6. It's not the pregnancy....it's the blatant hypocrisy.
Here is a woman that believes the extent of sex education is "Just say no to fucking" and she can't even manage that with her own family, but wants us to shove that bullshit down our throats.
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 02:44 PM
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15. Yes,...
...MOM's hypocracy!
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 02:51 PM
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24. We didn't put her family into the public spotlight. She did.
I feel sorry for this girl that she has been thrust into the public spotlight like this, but we need to keep in mind, her mother is the one that will point her fingers at OUR kids and tell us how we should be raising our families and look down her nose at us and babble about our immorality, but she cannot seem to manage her own.


Or as her favorite book says: And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 03:13 PM
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33. These are all Sarah's shortcomings,...
...Bristol does not need US beating her up.

As a Father, I'm not going to do that to a child.

For Palin(comparison), (verbal)bombs-away!
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 02:37 PM
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7. It wouldn't be an issue if she didn't throw her family values out there, her anti birth control
positions; her anti-sex ed positions.

That's why it is so hypocritical, and frankly, embarrassing for her.



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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 02:48 PM
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21. Right!
Go after MOM!
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 02:37 PM
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8. Sarah Palin decided that her daughter Bristol should have that baby
Sarah Palin has publicly said that if her daughter was raped, she would oppose abortion. That's the only choice she believes in, and the choice she has imposed on her daughter and wants to impose on the country.
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 02:50 PM
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23. SArah almost certainly did decide.
Hubby haS his tux and shotgun ready for the wedding!
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 02:38 PM
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9. McCain's non vetting is the issue - the media have the scent of blood now
and it will keep coming out drop after drop.


Picking somebody who was not in the primaries and scrutinized by the press already is a rookie mistake.

Thanks rookie.
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 02:45 PM
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17. Yes,...
McSame's judgement and vetting.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 02:39 PM
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10. How is it that Miss Hockey Mom is allowed to put forth her blessed
and sacred mothering skills as part of her VP resume, and yet we must ignore any evidence that she's maybe not a Mother of the Year?
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 02:41 PM
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12. I agree that SARAH, Not Bristol, is the issue.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 02:43 PM
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13. Well, we agree then--I just feel bad for this kid, her parents are some
Edited on Mon Sep-01-08 02:43 PM by wienerdoggie
screwed-up individuals who weren't thinking of her at all when mom joined the ticket.
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Bernardo de La Paz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 02:39 PM
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11. Contraception, abortion, dominionism, abstinence-only, family values, parental neglect all issues.nt
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toadzilla Donating Member (814 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 02:44 PM
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16. yep yep.
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 02:47 PM
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19. Yepper!
All of these are MOM's BS stands.

(verbal)Bombs-away on mom!
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 02:47 PM
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20. Pregnancy is an issue when Sarah Palin opposes birth control and abortion
even in cases of rape or incest.
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GoesTo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 02:49 PM
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22. It really should be. We've had bad rove models, er, role models
When we think about it, we know it is not an issue we should hit. But after seeing the Republicans do nothing but this kind of crap for 8 years or more, it's hard to remember that this really shouldn't be acceptable.

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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 02:53 PM
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26. We do have a lot of legit ammo.
We had a feisty (to say the least) primary season.

Barack emerged as our leader. He placed his faith in us when he said that we were better than the last 8 years. I'd like us to earn that faith.

As for McSame and Palin(comparison), I say (verbal)bombs-away!
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 02:52 PM
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25. FUCK that ....
We play nice, and they mush our collective face into the mud ... EVERY TIME ! ...

I want Obama to rise above the clamor, and be 'presidential', but IN NO WAY should the operatives on the periphery lay off the Republican ticket ....

After YEARS of Republican insults, we are NOT going to lay off of anyone ....
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 02:56 PM
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30. Sorry, but I don't beat up on kids.
Nail McSame & Palin(comparison)'s collective ass to the wall? YES!

Pick on a child? HELL NO!
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 03:17 PM
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36. Nobody is 'beating up on a kid' ...
Beating up on a kid means something: It means to 'physically strike a child' ...

Who here is 'physically striking a child' ? ... No one .... So such comments are too abstract to consider valid ....

This issue is not the kid, but the hypocrisy between their situation and their philosophy .... It is absolute VALID to note the stark incongruity of Palin's words (and the tenets of her theology) and the actions of her own family ..... The hypocrisy is blatant, and worthy of note ....

Nobody is 'beating up on kids' ...
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 09:20 AM
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43. If You're familiar with the English language,...
...you'ld realize that terms like the one I've used are common.


The point I am making is that Palin(comparison) & McSame are fair game for any attack we can truthfully make against them. There are MANY.

Palin(comparison)'s daughter, personally, should be OFF LIMITS. She is not the candidate.
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 09:15 PM
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51. You're crying into your beer ....
The issue is NOT the daughter, but the hypocrisy of the mother ....
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 11:52 AM
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52. HMMM...
You telling me that I'm crying in my beer as you state the point of my original post.

That point is that we have enough to go after McSame and Palin(comparison) on ISSUES. One thing that can be pointed out is that her preachings are ineffective.

Bristol Palin personally is a non-issue. Her idiot mother is.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 02:54 PM
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27. from her lips. water leakage at 4 am. didnt get to medical care in alaska until midnight
a long stressfull day for an already stressed body and no medical care available with a 44 yr old preg woman, special needs baby out of reach of any medical attention for hours.

horribly horribly poor judgment in a life and death situation. and it was her own child. if pres life and death choices with a bunch of stranger. she failed.

it is very relevent in her ability to judge a situation and make the appropriate choice
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 02:57 PM
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31. Yes, HER judgement and stupidity!
I say leave the kid alone!
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mokawanis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 02:55 PM
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28. Not a major issue, but
I think we should use it against Sarah Palin and get whatever mileage from it we can. It does contradict her rhetoric and the case can be made that she failed in teaching her daughter the values she claims to hold so dear.
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 03:15 PM
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35. Yes, it contradicts HER rhetoric...
...and for that we need to nail her's and McSame's collective ass to the wall.

I agreee with our nominee and leader. Kids are off limits.
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gatorboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 02:56 PM
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29. Tell that to the Letterman and Leno.
The late night talk shows are going to get interesting...
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 03:18 PM
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37. Oh, Yeah...
...but they ARE comedians!
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 03:01 PM
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32. It's a non-issue because her mom's a winger
If the Dem nominee had this much baggage (s)he'd have been axed already. If you think this is a non-issue, then you also agree that there should be two sets of laws in the country - one for Dems and a different one for Repukes. And if you believe that, then you probably like the way the Constitution has been shredded over the last 8 years.
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 03:19 PM
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38. Nonsense!
If I agreed w/the bushistas, I'd be over in freeperville and think that beating up on kids is OK.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 03:13 PM
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34. K&R
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 03:21 PM
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39. Her mother made it an issue when she accepted the VP slot.
Any public humiliation of Bristol Palin lies squarely with her mother's decision to advance her political career at her daughter's expense.

The AK news agencies have known about this for months. They've left it alone. Surely Palin isn't stupid enough to think that the MSM will.

Oh, on second glance, it looks as though she is. This is Sarah Palin's doing. Not anyone on DU or anyone in the MSM.
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 09:23 AM
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45. And so,...
...Sarah Palin(comparison) is the issue. Her hypocracy, her extremism, her lack of judgement and her stupidity. There is enough to go after her on issues that matter in this campaign.

Her daughter is not the candidate and should be, personally, left alone.
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secondwind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 03:23 PM
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40. She is being kept from the press
and they are not allowing reporters near her....I think the McCain campaign is "winging it" for a few days with this preposterous choice he made! Actually, he didn't choose her, the Republican "big wigs" forced her down his throat.
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 09:27 AM
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46. As I said in my original post,...
...they're in a mass effort to put lipstick on the pig.

She is their Eagleton, with the exception that Tom Eagleton was actually a pretty good guy when I met him around 1975.. I also suspect that somewhere, dan quayle is smiling now since he's no longer the worst rethuglican vp pick in my lifetime (I'm 53).

I suspect that McSame is stuck with her. After all, who would want to be on the ticket as the second choice to Sarah Palin(comparison.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 03:26 PM
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41. You are right
All this does it give her attention.

Which could have been the Rovian point.

Though if it were a Democrat's daughter, we'd be hearing about how this meant failure of parenting and failure to manage the family and household, which magically equals failure to manage the country. But the Right Wing Media is never going to give us that when it's a Republican (even though they are the ones with that ridiculous so-called standard).
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 09:28 AM
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47. Another reason...
...that WE have to be our own media.
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Psst_Im_Not_Here Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 03:38 PM
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42. McCain's judgment should be the issue
Over, over, and over again. Bad judgement in selecting an incompetent running mate, bad judgment in voting against Katrina Aid EVERYTIME, bad judgment in choosing a running mate who wants nothing to do with renewable energy. These are the issues that will sway independent voters. They are already thinking it, we just need to hit on it, over and over.
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 09:29 AM
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48. Correct.
It is John McSame who is not ready to be president.

As Joe Biden said, time & time again, John McSame was wrong and Barack Obama was right.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 09:22 AM
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44. The daughter being pregnant is not the issue, the mom with a pregnant underage daughter IS
Edited on Tue Sep-02-08 09:23 AM by LynneSin
because Sarah wants to make sure that we put all our children at risk by using failed policies like "Abstinence-Only" education in our schools.

Underage girls will get pregnant no matter who the Pres/VP is BUT we can perhaps put a dent in that number if we can provide a well-rounded educaton on sex, use of birth control and accessiblity to getting effective birth control. And to be honest, we can do that without making Abortions or even birth control that interferes with fertilized eggs as the center of that policy.
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 09:33 AM
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49. Right!
The issue in this campaign is John McSame & Sarah Palin(comparison).

Poor judgement, lack of vetting, hasty and careless decision making, extremism, stupidity, hypocracy.

All these and many more are things we can use to hammer them into oblivion.

We don't have to pick on a child.

Our candidate doesn't want us to, either.
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 09:52 AM
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50. BTW,...
...How are things in the greater Philly area? I haven't been any closer than Allentown since my mom passed in July 06.
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