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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 03:23 PM
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In Wasilla, Pregnancy Was No Secret
That's about the only thing that I didn't know about Bristol Palin's pregnancy. The rest of the details I picked up almost without trying, while talking about other things with townsfolk — some who know the governor and her family well, some who don't. It was, more or less, an open secret. And everyone was saying the same thing: the governor's 17-year-old daughter is pregnant, the father is her boyfriend, and it's really nobody's business beyond that.

I happen to agree.

This tiny town wedged in between the Chugach and Talkeetna mountain ranges has intrigued the whole country since John McCain's surprise Friday announcement that Wasilla's favorite daughter, Sarah Palin, would be his running mate. Sure, some of the interest was a prelude to attacks on Palin's readiness for national office. But Wasilla also offered a welcome chance to get specific about the geography of a politician. It's one of our most cherished myths, that a leader can come from somewhere and you can guess at their qualities not just by what they say, but where they live.

Well, here's the deal: small towns have their own value systems, and in this situation those values are more a lot more valid than the dispassionate, pushy inquisitiveness that political journalism encourages.

I just got off the phone with a longtime Wasilla resident. She had urged me to find time today to go up to Hatcher Pass—"the most beautiful place in the valley!"—when I mentioned that the story on Bristol's baby is now national news. Her voice slowed. "Oh," she said. "I'm so sorry. That's so unfair."

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1837862,00.html?xid=rss-topstories
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 03:24 PM
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1. I hope you are wearing your asbestos underwear. n/t
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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 03:25 PM
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2. Then where are those "social critics" lambasting "Juno" and Jamie Lynn Spears?
Did they just crawl back into the woodwork?
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 03:30 PM
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3. out from what rock did they pull nathan thornburgh? did he used to write for the
Weekly Standard?

Human Events?

NatReviewOnline?

was that satire?
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 03:32 PM
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4. My thoughts exactly - He's a RW shill obviously
Edited on Mon Sep-01-08 03:33 PM by RamboLiberal
I just posted this in another thread - something stinks in Wasilla. From OP

If you haven't guessed yet, the people here are genuinely friendly. Even those in Palin's inner sanctum who have been told since Friday not to talk to reporters by McCain's media team, are almost apologetic that they can't be neighborly and chat, since you came all this way to little Wasilla. And those who can talk, do. All weekend they had the decency not to pretend that they didn't know the governor's eldest daughter was pregnant. But they also expected decency in return, that I wouldn't be the kind of person to make sport out of a young girl's slip.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1837862-2,00.html

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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 04:28 PM
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15. man, he really piles the shit high, doesn't he.
positively gag-worthy.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 03:34 PM
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5. It's so sad that her mother put her in this position, allowing this to be in the national spotlight.
:thumbsdown:
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RoccoR5955 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 03:35 PM
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6. So tell me... Is Wasilla a town of 5000 people, and six last names?
:sarcasm:

We even have a few here in NY... And less than 100 miles from NYC.
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Tutonic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 03:48 PM
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11. Bhwaaaah!
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 03:36 PM
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7. Call it Mary Cheney hypocrisy
It's okay when a respected family does it, it's only a sin when a minority or poor family does it. I'm very familiar with the hypocrisy described in the article.
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krawhitham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 03:37 PM
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8. That is a fucking lie
When a alaska newspaper asked Palin's Press Secretary about it 2 days ago they were told NO SHE IS NOT PREGNANT
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 03:49 PM
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12. Link to that?
Just curious. If the press secretary lied to the press, we need to know.


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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 05:14 PM
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19. Here you go
The Daily News had asked Palin's governor's-office press secretary, Bill McAllister, on Saturday if Bristol was pregnant.

"I don't know. I have no evidence that Bristol's pregnant," he said at the time.

http://www.adn.com/palin/story/512560.html
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 05:19 PM
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20. CNN/Time/Warner/AOL publish lies and far right spin?
Never....
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 03:40 PM
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9. Its the lack of self awareness that is so apalling. If you know that your children
are likely to have sex then you give them sex education and access to birth control and don't pontificate about abstinence only.
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endthewar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 03:43 PM
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10. Maybe in California that makes sense, but apparently not in Alaska.
I keep having to pinch myself to see if this is really happening. Karl Rove is definitely off his game, or he has some sinister turns still up ahead.

On another note, I saw a Girls Gone Wild promo one time that was set in Alaska. Basically, it seemed like a place where it was freezing cold with nothing to do except "party" all the time.

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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 04:26 PM
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13. The writer of that Time article is full of shit:
and the article is so obviously biased.
"The fact is, regardless of what you will hear over the next few days, Bristol's pregnancy is not a legitimate political issue. Sarah Palin is a longterm member of a group called Feminists for Life, which is not opposed to birth control. So you probably can't tag her for consigning young people to unwanted pregnancies."

She *lies* -- FLL IS opposed to birth control. They're stealthy about it, but they oppose birth control.

Good Salon article on the topic:
http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2006/03/20/anti_contraception/print.html
Nor is the fight against birth control only the province of a few zealots. While sites like Worthington's may be new, many antiabortion activists have always been bitterly opposed to contraception. "After Roe v. Wade was decided," says Feldt, "the debate focused on abortion instead of birth control. But they are not separate issues." She points out that what we're seeing today is more of a revival of an old movement than a shift to something new. "It's been there from the beginning. If you go back and look at the rhetoric against birth control from 1916, it's exactly the same as the rhetoric now."

And when you look closely, there is evidence to suggest that even the mainstream anti-choice groups are ready to make the battle against contraception part of their agendas. Many of the National Right to Life Committee state affiliates have opposed legislation that would provide insurance coverage for contraception. Iowa Right to Life even lists a host of birth control methods -- including the pill, the IUD, Norplant and Depo-Provera -- as abortifacients. And NRLC itself parses its language very carefully when it comes to contraception. A call to the organization resulted in an e-mailed statement on the group's position that read in part, "NRLC takes no position on the prevention of the uniting of sperm and egg. Once fertilization, i.e., the uniting of sperm and egg, has occurred, a new life has begun and NRLC is opposed to the destruction of that new human life." Such a position leaves the group plenty of wiggle room to argue, when it is ready to do so, that contraceptives prevent the implantation of a fertilized egg and are thus a form of abortion. (NRLC wouldn't comment further, because, according to a media relations assistant, contraception lies outside of its purview. For the same reason, Feminists for Life refused interview requests. And at Concerned Women for America, a group that has been openly anti-contraception, a spokesperson told Salon twice that none of its experts were available for interviews.)

"The brilliance of the other side is that it's such a wholesale attack, that it's hard to find an entry point," says Cristina Page, vice president of the Institute for Reproductive Health Access at NARAL Pro-Choice New York, and the author of "How the Pro-Choice Movement Saved America: Freedom, Politics, and the War on Sex." While pro-choicers are busy trying to save Roe v. Wade, the anti-choice movement is "laying down their game plan for this next wave." And, she adds, "On every single front, whether it be educational, whether it's a matter of direct access, or whether it's about funding, their campaign is on, and it's effective."

For those who are pro-choice, the idea of fighting to ban both abortion and contraception seems contradictory: Contraception, after all, lessens the number of abortions. But once one understands what the true social and moral agenda of activists like Worthington is, and their attitude toward sexuality, the contradictions vanish. For them, sex should always be about procreation; since contraception prevents conception, it is immoral. At a deeper level, they believe that women's biological destiny is to be mothers.

Feldt says, "When you peel back the layers of the anti-choice motivation, it always comes back to two things: What is the nature and purpose of human sexuality? And second, what is the role of women in the world?" Sex and the role of women are inextricably linked, because "if you can separate sex from procreation, you have given women the ability to participate in society on an equal basis with men."


More:
According to Page, there's no way to distinguish the anti-choice and religious arguments anymore. "The anti-choice movement has become a religious movement, and because of that, their interest isn't in reducing abortion. In fact, reducing abortion has become problematic for them, because they want to strip Americans of using birth control, in effect to change the entire family structure."

Page says she has noticed, too, that some anti-choice groups tend not only to oppose birth control, they also oppose child care. In her book she points to some troubling statistics and anecdotes: Ninety percent of senators who opposed the 1993 Family and Medical Leave Act are anti-choice; in the 2004 Children's Defense Fund ranking of the legislators best and worst for children, the 113 worst senators and Congress members are all anti-choice; Web sites like Lifesite and that of the Illinois Right to Life Committee post reports linking child care and aggression; Focus on the Family, the Family Research Council and Concerned Women for America stress the damage that day care can have on a child. (Most of their information comes from the National Institute of Child Health and Human Development's Early Child Care Report, which has been debunked again and again and again.) "The trifecta is ban contraception, ban abortion, make child care impossible," says Page.

Frances Kissling agrees that the ultimate message is that "mommy should stay home and take care of the kiddies. This is bound up in this notion of men at the head of a family, of women's identity as linked to their biological capacity, that men and women are complementary and different, that a woman's primary function is motherhood."





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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 04:28 PM
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14. Another article claims these rumors were flying
even before Palin announced her pregnancy. Which would be before Bristol actually was pregnant.
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 04:41 PM
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17. Yes, that's a VERY interesting tidbit, and I don't know quite what to make of it.
She announced the pregnancy March 5 - nearly 6 months ago. Story I read this morning said that she approached a reporter, **in the period before she announced her own pregnancy** to say that the rumor about Bristol was untrue.

So the rumors were flying quite thickly prior to that (to the point that SP felt compelled to denounce them), therefore they must have been going on for a fair amount of time. And now they say Bristol is only 5 months pregnant. Strange.
:wtf: :wtf:
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 04:45 PM
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18. I know. Seems like people were speculating Bristol was
pregnant for a long time, even before she actually got pregnant. What gives?
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 04:28 PM
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16. Why is it unfair?
You are in the pen with the big dogs now, Sarah. Don't like it? Then drop out.
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