An Observation: "We have met the enemy and it is us"...

For all of the years I've been here, I've seen a lot of things, some good, some some bad and a lot of "interesting" things, but I don't think I've seen anything quite as ridiculous as the "Palin Pregnancy Test".

There is documentation in the local Alaskan papers that Palin had Trig, but it is ignored; in fact, it has been called "planted", "changed by Palin's friends" and simply, "the story is a cover". What has been made up is this entire fiasco, and many here on DU fell for it hook, line and sinker. (Think about this for a second, her daughter would have had to the gestation time of a pachyderm, for there to be any tie behind the 2006 "pregnancy pic" and the birth).

There are times when I think we are our own worst enemies...even with empirical evidence that this whole thing is absurd, some people insist on bringing it to the front time and again, (and don't blame me for this, I'm trying to bury it).

There are probably 100 things we could find to legitimately contest McCain an Palin, yet some people keep resorting to this type of low down, slimy attack that is making us look like buffoons in every sense of the word.

Palin and the investigation into "troopergate" beats this pathetic rumor by a light year, but for some incredibly absurd reason, we've become more worried about Palin's womb than she is. This is the stuff of the RW, they are interested in "exposing" lies and obfuscations about others private matters and parts, and yet somehow, we have, in some instances, become them...:wtf:

What do you all say when I ask that we bury this once and for all? After all, we have legitimate things we can beat McCain and Palin into the dirt with, why make it look like we are infants, when we are all grown , are FAR smarter than the R's...and most importantly...we are just plain better than them. Why would we ever stoop to such a low level?

Thanks you for taking the time to read this...now let's beat the crap out of McCain and company on OUR terms, not theirs.

lackluster performace.

I don't likeit when the R's do this type of thing, why would I even consider liking it when we do it?

In all the discussions about this, no matter how heated, not once have I seen anyone suggest that Bristol Palin is bad or immoral or sinful, or for that matter that Sarah Palin is a bad parent for allowing this to happen. None of that bothers me, every family has had episodes like this.

I'm a bit less sure about pulling her out of school and falsely claiming it was due to a bad case of mono. That's borderline deceptive. And I don't see how Palin or McCain will be able to advocate a social conservative approach to sex ed and suchlike if that is what they intend to do.

I do think it speaks to McCain's poor judgment, since any sort of social conservative policy as above proposed during a McCain administration would inevitably trigger yet another discussion of his VP's family. Doesn't sound like a winning political recipe to me.

Who mentioned Kerry and I thought mods were unbiased on the job. Pffft!!!! You do a pretty good job yourself of knocking down someone on our side for your opinion. :crazy:

:hi:

What justification do you have?

That suffices for her own shop to receive scrutiny.

on legitimate questions as to McCain's and Palin's qualifications to hold the 2 highest jobs in the land, they will never have the chance.

Besides, the possibility of Roe v Wade being overturned is essentially nil...if the R's didn't do it w/the 3 branches of government in their hands...for many years...why would they do it now?

R v Wade is nothing more than campaign sloganeering for the R's...they drop it immediately after an election...theya re not going to give that gift away. It is there for them to use in election cycles, they have no intention of overturning it.

do it in a much more mature way.

I take great pains to make sure women are not dispartaged on DU, and while I think Palin is a goomer, I still don't think we should beat her death w/rumors about her womb. Particularly when those rumors have been shown to be false and pushed for little more than political and shock value.

why these clowns think is so important to behave like fucking petty freeper assholes. It's not like Obama is losing and we need to seek desperate measures to win. :shrug:

and we are not the other side...;)

many other things that we can bury McCain/Palin with, that this just makes us look like we're in the same park w/the R's and their absurd way of doing things.

Woman bashing and child bashing will not help the Democratic Candidate win. This only drives people
further away.

Of course, some here WANT to drive some of us away, and are doing everything they can to drive people
away, NOT KNOWING WHO THOSE OFFENDED PEOPLE ACTUALLY KNOW OR WHO THEY ACTUALLY ARE.

Shame!

Mr.Obama said that he Palin FAMILY should not be further talked about, and that should be enough for
his supporters.

around on the library computer?

You should apply to become a mod during the next cycle, JVS. It's a great experience and it helps DU operate.

that thinks they are "tough" because they want to belive a lie. Anyone who believes a lie is bad enough, but to pushit after it has been shown to be a falsehood...well, I have to wonder about the motivation aspect...;)

Is it possible for mods, when this type of crapfest dominates DU, to set up 'Official Threads' for the subject being beaten to death and move all posts to that thread?



GObama! GoBiden!

just a great post. but it's been interesting to watch people convincing themselves of this stuff in the face of compelling evidence against it.

but her own home town paper, Anchorage Daily News, can't even seem to prove it true and has weighed in on the controversy. the same paper that you state has documented it. they had been pressing Palin's office on the matter for a few months now on it, and have even requested a copy of the birth certificate.

http://community.adn.com/adn/node/130178

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=6848000


Might not be enough for everybody, but this was written long before she even became a "candidate" for the office...:)

FWIW. My issue with Palin is her appalling lack of judgment. So, the trig isn't her baby thing was just a rumor. The woman took a flight to TX, with AMA and a special needs fetus. She then took ANOTHER flight home after her amniotic sac started to leak.

She jeopardized that baby in the most reprehensible way.

She is now putting her political career ahead of her daughter. Her own daughter!!!!

If she is this callous towards her family, how will she treat us?

paper is just after Trig was born.

I agree that the whole thing w/her going into labor/water breaking is a sign of poor judgement, but she's in a mindset that she wanted the baby born in AK...I think that's stupid, but I have no say in the matter as to where the kid was born. If it had been my spouse, things would have been different.

The article about the down syndrome was written Apr 28.

I seem to be missing your point. In fact the blog seems to indicate a long time friend and crony of Miss Palin who might be willing to play along.

her husband also creeps me out.

i've been getting beat up over it as well.

like rathergate and katrina, the real underlying issues and objections to the focal point of the conversation, namely palin (and mccain), will be lost in the shakeout, eclipsed by the hyperbolic conspiracy theories of the left.

and what the majority of americans will see in the coverage will be:

- the woman had a child with down syndrome (true)

- she has a pregnant daughter, which she disclosed to mccain (apparently true)

- her daughter is keeping the child and marrying the father of it (true)

- the left blogosphere spent labor day weekend - instead of focusing on palin's real political liabilities - smearing palin with everything from claiming a child as her own to shield a daughter who's pregnant (false) to accusations of incest (false)

- it reached such an embarrassing pitch that obama, who should be riding high on a wave of positive momentum following the convention, has to take time out of his busy day to address his supporters and tell them to stop being sleaze merchants (true).

other than she is a born US citizen, and she of the age in the Constitution...other than that, she is little more tahn a breathing human being. She has NO experieince at all for the position...and regardless of Doocey's incredible observation that Alaska is close to Russia and therefore gives her international credentials, she has nothing...:D And THAT's how we're going to beat them...:D

to the level of the MSM. Not very long ago it was a place to come for the most cutting edge news backed by fact. LBN and the likes of Kpete, Sabra, PlaidAdder etc, were all I needed to stay in the 'loop'.

Now I no longer even look at LBN - I see better headlines and sources in the supermarket checkout line and I feel the real issues are passing right over our heads.

will disipate right after the first debate. McCain is so damn stupid, he's gonna blow it and head right to the dustbin...only the most ardent R's will vote for him.

I don't know what has happened here...it has become like a elementary school or middle school playground
where people are "playing the dozens."

Sad. There are so many issues to talk about but...

Good post - I hope people read it and think about what they are saying.

and they are STILL chomping at the bit.

The daughter being pregnant story does have some legs, because it exposes the underbelly of hypocrisy in the GOP's sanctimonious "values" message.

I just wonder if it will have any effect on swing voters. The Mary Cheney story had virtually none. And when Kerry tried to use it, it backfired.

the real enemies...I have no problem at all w/taking them on w/the truth...and even though the hypocrisy is glaring, there are those who will just say..."but it's one of 'ours', so it can't be bad"...:eyes:

Got to remeber, these people think only D's can can do "bad" things.

Don't worry, the truth will come out in 24 business hours....

We should be focused on winning the undecided voters. Is this really what's going to do it? Or will something like this be too slimey and in the end work against us?

Who are the undecideds? This is what we need to know and focus our energies on.

IMHO, McCain is the target. Focus on Palin's biggest weaknesses, her inexperience, her past votes (i.e. vetoing renewable energy, ties to Big Oil, her inability to manage a small town's finances). After we have defined her as an inexperienced failure, put it on McCain. Judgement, judgment, judgment. Obama used the judgment argument masterfully in his acceptance speech. It's up to us to make it stick to him.

Because Palin is virtually unknown, it leaves us the opportunity to shape her definition. Too right wing, too big business, too little experience, too presumptuous( I'm like Hillary!), a liar (think bridge to nowhere). It's easy without losing support by being shril and petty.

Also remember, there are plenty of moms out there who are going to relate in some way to the story of Bristol and have some empathy for her and her family. Don't let this thing bite us in the butt.

:hi:

It's big picture time, we only have a short period of time to define her, before the window closes. How do we want to define her? Mother of a pregnant teen? Or completely unqualified, ultra right wing, spend and spend conservative with ties to the oil industry?

Time to ask ourselves, which argument will work to get the votes we need to go over the top. :hi:

that's a good start, and besides, McCain is the real goomer we've got to deal with...no VP ever did that much nationwide for an election. The best they could hope for was the state the VP nominee came from...in AK's case, that's 3 electoral votes, from a Red state anyway.

Spin this mess onto McCain and hit him over the head with his bad judgment.

:D

:rofl:

he's a disgrace...;)

I'm glad my water comes from a spring, because I swear a dumbdown agent has been slipped into the public water supply.




K&R

I'm bvar22, member of DU since Feb 2001, and I approve of the OP's message.
DU used to be better than this.

I joined this board in 2001 and Now I am condemned when people disagree
with my opinion. Sheesh!

I don't know what is going on here, but so many are now offended that the election
may be effected.

Too Bad. . .

and that is... the truth is out now...

when youre hiding something , and people know it, they speculate...

all we did was force them to be upfront about the situation and tell the truth...
whether its a legit issue is up to each individual person to decide based on their moral beliefs... but when the party she represents claimes to be holyier than thou, it IS relevant.

insanity, a whpole slwew of things. We should never be in the rumor business ourselves...we should put them in their graves w/truth and honesty, this election is Obama's to lose, and ridiculous stuff like this makes us look like we're as looney as they are.

:headbang:

We pushed such a horrible rumor that we actually got the Freepers to out a girl as pregnant in order to attempt to disprove the rumors.

There is hope for us after all.

J

For the record, neither Gore or Kerry did the right thing, they should have countered immediately, they didn't, and Gore made the fatal mistake of not demanding a recount of the entire state of FL.

Today, we have a competent "war room", they are right on top of things and come out w/the counter argumant almost instantaneously...and they come out w/the truth.

This is what's going to crush Mcain/Palin...not rumors and innuendo.

and his own party simply because of the actions of the gop whine machine....he wanted to continue it bad. He finaly gave in to the pressure of his advisors...I cannot believe you stated that as fact and here is more about the myths of Kerry not doing all he could do. scroll down to the bottom




http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1015710

The GOP whiners and screamers did not show up until the next day.

If Gore had edemanded the entire state recounted, it wold not have gone to the USSC...it was an serious error in judgment

on those several, I have always had a sinking feeling that his inner circle was compromised....I recall the media back then attempting to make him look like a bad loser, in fact it worked so well that I even heard on the streets from very strong gore supporters that he should just give it up, I fought them on it, it seems he was outnumbered and I don;t agree that it was his fault at all...he was abandoned by far too many.. and about Kerry?

He should have brought out his big guns, paperwork, witnesses etc, the minute the SBVT came out with the slime. He waited...that killed him.

Obama's war room learned well, they are counteracting everything virtually immediately, and it's working.

From Paris Hilton to Sarah Palin, McCain has all but indicated that he does not follow his campaign slogan of "Country First". I think that a lot of people legitimately vented their anger over the year and a half of Obama smears that have been hounding us for so long. From the Muslim smears to the "baby mama" to the terrorist fist jab, we have objected to these mostly with class. Two days of speculation do NOT equate to the same level of smears about Obama!

We point out that there are irregularities in a candidate who is sold to us on the platform as a saint because she kept her disabled child? Gets on a plane after her water has broken with a high risk pregnancy and puts the pregnancy at risk and we can't say anything?
But McCain can equate Obama with Paris hilton and that's fine...But we can't even ask questions.
I'm sorry, when she accepted the job, she accepted the scrutiny. That's part of the package.

earlier and deeper than they would have otherwise. It also sowed a LOT of doubts out there as to the woman's veracity and her nature as the most extreme of fundamentialists.

As is always the case- the implications and the process are equally if not more important than the substance of the rumors and allegations.

This sort of deal WORKS for reasons that mass communication scholars understand- as should anyone in politics.

Iraq. Gitmo. Abu Ghraib. Katrina. The trampling of our civil liberties. The staggering debt. The faltering economy.

Not to mention the rumors about Obama, including the claims that he "made up" an uncle who saw one of the concentration camps.

And yet here we are, wringing our hands that we're not playing "nice." That we're not on the side of the angels.

Let me tell you something: these fascists lunatics have to be defeated.

Plenty of Democrats in the past understood this. Franklin Roosevelt knew how to play hardball. John Kennedy knew how to play hardball.

Get your heads out of your asses.

Flower power isn't going to beat these lunatics.

Hardball is.

the truth.

"Self Righteous" people are the deluded one's who think they can win a mud-fight w/the mud-fighting champs. Truth ALWAYS beats innuendo...it is a question of getting truth out there, rumors and innuendo do an election win, hard work and destroying your opponent with facts does.

:thumbsup:

:D

and we must beat them w/sanity...just because the GOP is insane, does not mean the rest of the natiuon is. What people are looking for is sanity and direction, something McCain/Palin can't produce.

but I still fear those people who outright in front of our eyes stole two elections, would they dare to do it again and face the wrath of his majority? I don't know but I put nothing past them, they are being backed into a corner and we all know what occurs when animals are backed into corners, they lose all reason

I like my version better.

That guy is so full of shit.


LoL

downright pure and unadulterated evil, EXACTLY LIKE KARL ROVE AND COMPANY!!

BTW: If people want to find out about REAL issues to attack Sarah Palin's record on - Huffington Post now has a special page just for that purpose:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tag/sarah-palin


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something sorely lacking from time to time.

When there are glaring problems to a VP selection that we think should be brought up to everyones attention. I say we let them slide until it is closer to the election. Why kick her to the curb when McStain has a possible chance of changing the selection to someone else. Wait until it has had a chance to sink in and then when the time is right say a month from now, pull the rug out. Hey, but that is just me.

Raebrek!!!

signal to the RW lunkheads that he has no concept of how to run a campaign...(something we all know, and so do they).

The RWnuts are killing themselves to try and make this a political plus...it isn't working. I watch these pinheads, and all I see are long faces as they lie like dogs. They know this was pathetic, tossing her out would justify everyone to tar and feather McCrypt.

In any case...he's never going to win the election...I still say about 33-38% tops. Maybe 100 Electoral votes...:hi: