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geekgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 08:39 AM
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"she's a superstar so don't bog her down a lot of questions" ???!!!
There's some AWFUL repug hack from politico.com on MSNBC this morning. He actually said Palin shouldn't have to answer tough questions.

AND He said that people have to be careful not to use gendered language like "SHRILL" about her.

UH... didn't Palin say that about Hilary??

This is INSANITY.
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Left Is Write Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 08:43 AM
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1. "Shrill" is not applicable only to women, so calling it "gendered language" is idiotic.
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geekgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 08:49 AM
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2. nope. it is gendered-- even if it isn't only applied to women, it is associated with being feminine
and therefore is devalued-- especially devalued in the political sphere.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 09:02 AM
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3. I thought that word was popularized with Krugman?
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Left Is Write Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 09:07 AM
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6. If she can make references to her own femininity - the lipstick comment -
then "shrill" is fair game.

But it's still not a "gendered" term.
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geekgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 09:18 AM
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8. Shrill is a gendered AND sexist term because it is used almost exclusively to describe women
When it is used to refer to men, then it used to attack their masculinity. Words that aren't necessarily defined as referring to one gender or another, still can when used that way.
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Left Is Write Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 09:21 AM
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9. Uh, okay. So using "shrill" to describe Palin's voice is really a sexist attack...
and not merely the fact that her voice IS shrill.
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geekgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 09:26 AM
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11. it has gendered connotations and I wouldn't use it to describe her for that reason
My point is that words that are not defined as gendered, are given gendered meanings in how they're used. I could cite a lot of sociological studies of gendered language here, if you want.

"The dictionary defines the word "shrill" as an adjective meaning: "having or producing a high, thin, piercing tone, high pitched." Since women started running for office and moving up the corporate ladder, "shrill" has been used to describe their strategy and rhetoric whenever they became the least bit aggressive in debate or confrontation. It is a code word for many other not so genteel words that signal "unacceptable female demeanor.""

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1P2-8491827.html

Just as I wouldn't want to hear Hilary described as shrill, I wouldn't describe Sarah Palin that way either. It means more than just the way her voice sounds-- it also suggests an "unacceptable female demanor."
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Left Is Write Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 09:59 AM
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14. Well, I'm certainly not going to go out of my way to defend Sarah Palin from words like "shrill."
I draw the line at language like "bitch" and "witch", but I am less concerned about words like "shrill."
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 10:42 AM
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17. I'll use it until I use it up.
She's shrill, shrill and screechy. If it was fine when Republican's used it on Hillary then it's OK to use it on Palin.

Jeez, why do we keep trying to tie one hand behind our backs in fighting these people? We can't afford the luxury of that.
:eyes:
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geekgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 10:45 AM
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18. I'm sure there are more intelligent ways to attack Sarah Palin !
Would we attack a republican lesbian by calling her a "dyke" just b/c she is republican, or a gay man a "fag" when he is a republican? I don't want to stick up for Sarah (by any means, I can't STAND that woman) but I think we have to be careful what we say, and be a little smarter about it.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 10:53 AM
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19. Shrill is a descriptive word used to describe an annoying sound.
The woman has an annoying voice that I would describe it as shrill. That not sexist, it's a fact.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 10:04 AM
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16. It's de facto gendered.
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DangerousRhythm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 09:03 AM
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4. I heard that too, wtf.
Superstar? Fuck that shit. She's a nutcase Dominionist propelled to the national scene by one act of VERY poor judgment by a feeble old man who's clearly out of his fucking mind if he thinks this inexperienced, issues-challenged fragile flower is what we need as a nation.

That guy can go shove it.

:argh:
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TheZug Donating Member (886 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 09:04 AM
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5. The Stepford Candidate.
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Riddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 09:15 AM
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7. I wonder if this hypocrite hack thinks that using "uppity" is racist
since he has his panties in a wad over "shrill" being gendered?

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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 09:23 AM
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10. I thought they resented superstars.
:shrug:

We got one, and he answers questions.
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geekgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 09:27 AM
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12. I know! I thought Obama being a "superstar" was a bad thing?? WTF
so much double speak, we almost need a wikipedia to keep up with it!
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Chloroplast Donating Member (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 09:27 AM
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13. So, being a celebrity is alright if it's a Republican? Hypocrites to the nth.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 10:03 AM
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15. So now she's Paris Palin, too busy superstarin' to answer questions.
:eyes:

The upside of this is that McCain't will no longer compare Obama to Paris and Britney in a lame attempt to attack Obama.
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