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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 08:47 AM
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I don't see how we can ignore Palin and I don't think we should
Here's why: New polling in the coming days will show her as having a high approval rating. The media needs to press Palin to submit to interviews. And we need to press the media not to give her a pass. Fads can be dangerously effective and she's fast become an unreasoning fad.

Yeah, it would be great if we could just deem her as totally irrelevant and ignore her, but that's not realistic. She's a big factor in this election, and though the initial days of her rollout were rocky, to say the least, she's had a couple of very good days.

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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 08:49 AM
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1. cheney is what got bush elected in 2000. people werent comfortable with his experience
or his follow thru, failure followed him. cheney being vp is what allowed people to be enthused, knowing he would be there with bush to "guide" him

have we learned a lesson after 8 yrs
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 08:50 AM
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2. She's a Dominionist. They believe there SHOULD be World War and when there is, 144,000 people
will be left and that's them and they will then be God's Kingdom on Earth.

Dominionists Assembly of God also believe that

ALL CATHOLICS ARE GOING TO HELL.

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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 08:51 AM
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3. Personally I find her the scariest thing about McCain.
First, I think he's crazy for thinking she can run this country and second, she's got extreme black and white views on the world and has a propensity for trying to force people to think and live a certain way.
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 08:57 AM
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7. I completely agree.
She's extremely frightening & we're in a world of trouble if McCain wins & something happens to him. In fact, if he wins, I wouldn't be surprised if something does happen to him.

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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 08:52 AM
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4. Right.
It would be foolish to ignore her.

Nominated.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 08:53 AM
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5. You're right... Never turn your back on a whack-job.
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Sensitivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 08:55 AM
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6. Depends who you are. Obama and Biden can't since it elevates her and focuses discussion on her.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 08:58 AM
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8. I agree that Obama and Biden need a tactic to diminish her importance
and that's probably focusing on McCain- but they can't afford to give her a pass either. If she's going on the attack, they need to shoot her down.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 08:59 AM
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9. I'm not a believer in allowing the Republicans to frame
this as Obama vs. Palin because as son as we do they are going to twist it. McCain=Bush and Palin=Cheney in pumps.

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cyndensco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 09:03 AM
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10. A couple of days ago, I thought if it could be proven she had had an affair
the race would be over. Her supporters would be repulsed by the sheer hypocrisy and would come out in droves against her.

After seeing folks drool over her the past few days, I realize they would just dismiss it as proof that she is an imperfect being. They are so good at justifying "slips" made by their own.

She is a formidable opponent and has managed to bring excitement back to their party. It will take more than skeletons to bring her down - they love her.
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 09:06 AM
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11. Yes, their hypocrisy is stunning, isn't it?
If a dem were to behave in ways they oppose they would crucify them, but when it's one of their own, their all forgiveness. :eyes:

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EV_Ares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 09:07 AM
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12. Well, they are not ignoring her and as you say that is unrealistic as she is
who she is.

Hillary is in FL today doing her thing on this and Obama has got out every female dem governor and other female elected officials that are going to be hitting back. He willl focus on McSame and Biden will do his thing.

Nobody is ignoring her as they can't but will have to use different campaign tactics to fight back.
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Robyn66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 09:13 AM
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13. Some things to think about
Although you of course cannot dismiss Palin, it is important to remember that:

Palin has extremely high percentages within the Republican base BUT she is not appealing to Democratic or Independent women. She closed the deal for right leaning, likely McCain voters we weren't going to get anyway.

There are major concerns about experience and the less available (as in not at all) she is to the press will look very bad for her in the long run.

The cute snarky answers are not going to satisfy people for long and they won't help her with the debate.

There are a lot of women who support Hillary Clinton who are offended that Palin is the Republican "vote for her she has a vagina" option they think will bring women over to their side. It just shows the true lack of respect the Republican party has for women.

I don't think McCain will drop her, nor do I think she will drop out on her own because she is the darling of the base but the Republicans have put forward no substance and no hope to help the economy or working people.

Her star will fade as the days go on. Especially if there are scandals that erupt.

I think the Democrats are in good shape because this ticket is proving to be more polarizing with no change and no relief for Americans.

Its just my opinion but I would rather see Palin stay than some other more qualified Republican take her place.

We are in good shape!
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EV_Ares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 09:16 AM
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14. Agree, with the #s that came out on job losses this morning and as time goes
who has the stronger ticket will rise to the top. Obama and Biden I think will show through as the ones that can guide this country in the right direction with the right change. Palin will be seen (hopefullly) as who she is, a nice mom who has little experience and is not ready to be a VP and is being used for what she is being used for and nothing else.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 09:23 AM
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15. I don't think we should ignore Palin, but she should stop being our focus here.
At one point yesterday I counted 34 out of 57 threads on the DU front page that either had Palin in the subject or were about her. Obama is our candidate and McCain is his opponent and that is where the focus should be. We should certainly address Palin when something new comes up, but not obsess about her and make her the focus of our campaign. Misdirecting our attention to Palin play right into the hands of Republicans. Let's not allow them to set the tone, direction, and pace of this campaign.
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jdlh8894 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 09:35 AM
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16. She is the Pet Rock of 2008 IMO
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cloudythescribbler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 12:27 PM
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17. Yes, this is all good thinking. There are several key points I see:
She has tried to palm off Wasilla as if it were Mayberry. I myself have never been to Alaska, but Wasilla is said to be a small suburb of Anchorage where 35% of those who work work in Anchorage. Here's a discrip (also from Wikipedia):


Charles Wohlforth, in a Frommer's travel guidebook on Alaska, described Wasilla as "the worst kind of suburban sprawl of highway-fronting shopping malls and gravel lots".<14>^

14 Wohlforth, Charles (August 29, 2008). "Dispatch From Alaska: Palin? Really?". The New Republic. Retrieved on 2008-08-30. “I had written a Frommer's travel guidebook about Alaska (I live in Anchorage and was on the Municipal Assembly here at the time).


There's also the myth of her (as well as McCain) as maverick anti-corruption and pork fighters. She supported the bridge to nowhere in her 06 election, and then when press coverage (including the Gray Lady) made such advocacy untenable, Alaska Repugs managed to somehow negotiate to KEEP all the money, more or less freely spending it on other projects! (I don't hear much about that little sweetheart deal, either in the MSM or on DU)

All the stuff about her family is not only "off limits" but also bad strategy -- it feeds into the whole soap opera stuff is one reason for her popularity (Eva Peron anyone?)

One question some may consider too close to the personal realm, but which I personally consider a very telling issue on something I consider important: She chose to bring her child to term with Down syndrome, which non-eugenicist pro-choicers should recognize as a matter of HER and her family's choice (ultimately hers, at law). But for those 90%+ of mothers who discover that their fetus has Down Syndrome who choose to terminate their pregnancy, would she accord THEM that free choice? Should it be criminalized? Or does she even regard such a choice as immoral? If she is honest (which her handlers are obviously coaching her not to be) and at least morally condemns such an abortion as murder, albeit morally more understandable than "abortion on demand" (the lingo of the anti-choice machine parroted by the Saturday Nite Live cast Nov 1988), I think such VALUES will send a chill down the spine of mainstream America, as it should. (Similarly, I wonder just what McCain said about unemployment insurance in his speech -- as that if intelligently raised by the Democrats could ALSO be decisive).

Overall, we've seen the face of 21st century faux populism and her name is Sarah Palin.
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