Are we Democrats "in disarray" over Palin's addition to...

...the Republican ticket? That's what they are now saying (Bob Franken on MSNBC). I say we prove them wrong!

I'm not going to fall for the Palin Distraction. It's not going to work. I don't care about the soap opera she creates to help Republicans distract Americans from discussing issues. I have NO NEED to get involved in her family stuff...that's personal.

Let's talk economy. Let's talk climate change. Let's talk foreign policy, Iraq and accountability.Let's talk about how to turn this country around and get us back on the right track.

It's Obama/Biden that can do that...not McCain/Palin. Let's talk about the difference.:patriot:

and neither should we.

I think George and Dick like not having the spotlight on them....

...and distraction was a HUGE factor in 2004. We can't let it work in 2008...we just can't.:patriot:

It's nasty humid this time of year. And full of Repugs. Wouldn't go near the place.

... :7

likeable gal, and even many Repbulicans I've talked to think she's "bitchy".

...to donate and work hard! ;)

The Obama campaign has NEVER been in disarray, regardless of what the GOP owned media claims.

...push back LOUDLY. :)

Palin on ticket = $10 million for Obama.

Palin on ticket = $1 million of McCain.

Who's in disarray now dummy?

...due to my disarray. :7

It rarely has any relation to reality when they do.

...sending LTTE's and calling them on it. Don't let them get away with this stuff...NEVER again. NEVER.:patriot:

...sending LTTE's and calling them on it. Don't let them get away with this stuff...NEVER again. NEVER.:patriot:

I would hardly call that "disarray". If anything, it has horrified us and strengthened our resolve to work our asses off for Obama.

...MSNBC about that spin, right? ;)

Pork Barrel Palin is irrelevant.

I think Caribou Barbie took them with her into hiding.

You ain't seen 'disarray'. Wait until the extra-marital affair hits the fan.

Dead Elephants as far as the eye can see.

...don't they call it 'projection' when you assume your own (Republican) behaviors to be what you think others (Democrats) are doing??? ;)

I think they have misplaced their own disarray. :7

...:7 I'm so arrayed I may donate to Obama again today! :)

I hope things start coming into focus soon. We need to see some debates.

...these days...let it UNITE us, keep us focussed and make us more determined than EVER.:patriot:

...a sales gimmick. Let's point that out, I say. :patriot:

Always fighting among ourselves and can't get along.

All because we allow everyone to think for themselves and speak accordingly.

...they fell all over themselves to stir up the Democratic Convention. When the unity there was undeniable...they started on the post-convention (a a Sarah Palin).

It's just plain ridiculous!

Let's not let this distraction work. Let's not fight among ourselves...let's fight back against their spin. Okay?? :7

...in your arrayed-ness. :7

Seems to me we are even more disciplined than I dreamed. DU and the blogs are vetting while Obama and Biden hit back with one liners but staying on the issues.

Is this their distraction from the 6.1% unemployment rate?

...they don't want to face. ;)

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That somebody so terribly unqualified could be Vice President.

What a selfish fucker McCain is. He put his ambition ahead of what was best for the country.

I agree.

Before long, the fascist media will get over their adolescent crush on Palin, then they'll be forced to air the many scandals she's involved in to stop the supermarket tabloids and bloggers from continuing to scoop them.

Speaking specifically to Palin, there are two clear and easily identifiable paths by which one can approach that candidate. She appears to have a sordid and easily revealed personal life, and despite Obama's request that we all back off of it, it's still garnering a lot of attention. She also appears to be a lawbreaker, power abuser, and secessionist, all of which speak more directly to her inability to do the job suggested by her nomination. While that's the path most of us here want to take, we all know that the public at large can't even spell secession and doesn't know what it means.

As far as the "change" bullshit coming out of the Republican Party, that's easily described. The "change" Republicans want is a changing of the guard--the prison guard, that is. The Democrats want to burn the goddamned Bastille.

One needs only look at McCain's 100% voting record in favor of Bush's legislative agenda this year to deduce that the deal cut was that the White House would play ball with McCain only if McCain fully supported the evil path laid out by Bush's handlers. If the so-called maverick is willing to go there, there's no chance he'll actually try to change anything else.

...at all (other than McCain's judgment in choosing her), and discuss ISSUES that matter to the country and our childrens' future?

I think there are two things that are keeping this up in the air: first, the Republicans have been attempting to focus attention on the running mate, and their slapdash method of selection is preventing them from getting ahead of the revelations; second, the GOP is running damned light on debatable issues.

Today CNN briefly showed purportedly live broadcasts of both McCain and Obama speaking. Neither could have been more than ninety seconds long. McCain was first, barking about how the Republicans (of all people) would bring "change" to Washington.

After the break, CNN cut in on Obama, catching him in the middle of a sentence where he was explaining how America was dropping behind in engineering, and how we require more and better math and science teachers, and how we'll have to pay those teachers more money in order to draw them out of the market....

I guess that's what prompted me to write some of that stuff above. One guy is throwing the word around. The other guy is planning to actually do it.

...to make change happen. For a long time, the opposition complained that they didn't know what he was going to do...how he would make change happen. They kept saying he was all talk. Now, he's explaining the 'how'. It's great! :)

When in fact it's personality and character that motivates the average voter. The talk of her character is important, though it may seem like salicious gossip to most. These stories that we've been hashing out online paint a picture of who she really is -- and in the end, that is what will make a difference to many voters. So many voters will choose someone that does not share their beliefs on various issues IF they have a 'good feeling' about that person. We're painting a picture of her character, and it happens every election. It's normal.

...is another. The facts of her life should be exposed by the media. I am sure that will happen. But the soap-opera effect distracts us (just like the Schiavo story, Britney Spears, etc.) from a discussion of our future...and I believe that in that discussion Obama WINS.

...I haven't been talking? My point was that we here should be loud about media spin that says we are divided. It's not true.

As to talking issues, I do that every day...nothing WILL stop that. But I want media coverage to be about issues, as well...not a Sarah Palin(Britney Spears style) soap opera.

:)

...:)

We can't decide which low hanging piece of fruit to pick first and we're running around bumping into each other and giggling.

...plums, first! :) Focus!! " :7

Don't let the media play us, or create a McCain win. That means a wacko Palin win.

...without acting to stop it...NEVER again. I don't believe it's even close, and I could care less about likability. "Wacko Palin"...that's *priceless* ! :7 :hi:

...and they're doing fine handling this.

...we are not in disarray, we're just passionate about what we are passionate about. :7 Nothing wrong with that...IMO.

I was wondering if we'd be getting our act together again anytime soon. Thankfully the night crew is a bit more level headed. The attacks on her now have a bit more substance to them.

...and REAL problems investigated. But we need to be careful about her family...unfounded bashing (like torture) says something about who WE are. I hope we are better than that.

I haven't seen people more unified since McCain put Sarah Palin on the ticket.

...have been VERY good. I hope that's true.:hi:

I'm completely disarrayed!

Ooooh my disarray! What am I going to do!?!?!?!?!?!

David

...I propbably can't function! :7 NOT!:patriot:

Judging by the amount of Palin threads here...absolutely. Im an old guy and I have never seen anything like this. Palin is running for VP not president. This is all playing into the repubs scheme and Im sick of it. Carry on, this is probably my last election and I would love to see a democrat win but we wont win this way. Flame away. Im a rep plant and all that other stuff. Wait and see. goodby

I'm not falling for a rethuglican talking point. We dont' have to change a thing! Oh, and people seem to forget that we're just a liberal message board -- we're NOT the Party. We come here to exchange info, to socialize, and even to have fun.

...as wonderful as we are...we are not ALL Democrats. I agree with you that Democrats are more focussed than ever. That's why we will win...focus and HARD WORK. ;)

No WAY will I fall for Republican talking points...ever again in my life! I am FULLY AWAKE in 2008...and I have no plans to nap until after November 5, 2008. (Then I'll probably sleep for at least a week straight! :7 )

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...him! ;) Speak out!

In the netroots, absolutely. DU is evidential exhibit "A".

I reckon Obama's campaign has a strategy for the above ground game.

...Democrats. And since he said it on MSNBC...the less discriminating viewer wouldn't probably care.

'Disarray', 'confused', 'dis-organized', 'unsure' are all adjectives that could diminish ALL Democrats. The Republicans and the media did that in 2004, and look at the result. I REFUSE to stand by and watch that happen in 2008. :patriot: How about you?

I just had a related conversation on the phone with my mom, 20 minutes ago.

She emailed me about Palin last week, and brought her up on the phone conversation. I heard some of the same stuff I can find on DU, if I look, although she's not a DUer. Random comments from my mom this morning:

"If it were a Democratic woman who <insert various Palin offenses here>, what would the media, and the Republicans, be saying and doing?"

My response: "You mean the same Republicans who think semen on a blue dress is reason to impeach, while Democrats don't think war crimes are serious enough offenses for impeachment?"

Mom: "The Republicans have thrown us for a loop, and it may work. If they win in November, I'm leaving the country."

It sounded like disarray to me. Now is yet another time that the non-existent spine is needed.

I agree with your point. I'd rather see mostly posts about what the Obama campaign is doing. I'd rather see any posts about Palin be:

1. In GDP.

2. Focused on how to exploit her many flaws to our advantage.

And finally, I wish all the election posts would be limited to GDP, so that if I want to talk about something else, I don't have to wade through pages and pages of stuff about mccain and palin to find it in GD.

...about what's out there among Democrats. I also agree with this: "Now is yet another time that the non-existent spine is needed."

My basic point is that the media (Bob Franken and MSNBC are but one example) is using this to diminish ALL Democrats, like they did in 2004. And it worked in favor of Republicans. I don't want to see a repeat of that in 2008.

I think we Democrats win on the issues...so let's stay on the issues, and not be distracted.




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:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

:hi:

Palin has only made me more pissed off and determined to do everything I can to make sure Obama is elected.

Palin has only made me more pissed off and determined to do everything I can to make sure Obama is elected.

...:7

:rofl: oops...

The GOP is in disarray over it.

Of course not. We are lean, mean and ready to rumble. They have gotten almost everything about this election wrong, don't expect them to start making sense all of a sudden.

...??? NEVER! :7

Never! :crazy:

... :7

I admit that sometimes Palin is like watching a train wreck its terrible but I can't look away.
But believe me, I sure getting sick of her. She is a very disturbing individual and there's only so much one can take. Soon we'll all be tired of discussing her, and all the Republicans will have to show for this stunt will be

there is nothing for us to argue about... just let her die out.

Meanwhile, we have a killer ticket. Obama and Biden have been playing it cool the whole time. Another DU'er mentioned that they don't even say the VP nominee's name. So cool! Obama/Biden are on the right side of all the issues that matter to America, as you say.

The gimmick is wearing thin already. She has no substance, people will tire of discussing her.

... that matter to America..." Yes, they are. :patriot:

Motivated, fully unified, and giving no quarter! They have no idea.

..."They just don't get it." :patriot: