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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 02:48 PM
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Obama says surge succeeded
Obama stays cool during O'Reilly inquisition
Nick Juliano and David Edwards
Published: Thursday September 4, 2008

In first segment aired, Obama says surge succeeded

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Obama_stays_cool_during_OReilly_questions_0904.html



It's been almost nine months to the day since Fox News's Bill O'Reilly tried to shove his way to an interview with Barack Obama during a New Hampshire campaign stop. The setting was a little more peaceful when the two finally sat down together Thursday, but O'Reilly was his good old fashioned bullying self.

In an interview in which the O'Reilly Factor host seemed as interested in hearing his own exhortations as Obama's answers, the Fox talker harangued Obama over an array of foreign policy issues.

O'Reilly kicked off the interview with a question no one could imagine anyone on the Fox News network posing to Republican candidate John McCain: "Do you believe we're in the middle of a war on terror?" (That O'Reilly apparently believed -- or wanted his viewers to believe -- there was a possibility that Obama would say no perhaps says as much about the brush with which Fox has tried to paint the Democratic candidate as anything else on the network.)

A day after Rudy Giuliani viciously -- and inaccurately -- mocked Democrats for failing to fetishize "Islamic terrorism," as the former New York Mayor himself is so fond of doing, Obama delivered a reasoned, concise answer about the need to "go after" terrorists while warning against the danger of lumping everyone together, as the Republicans are so fond of doing.

"Iran is a major threat, now ... they are not part of the same network . You've got Shia and you've got Sunni," Obama said. "We've got to have the ability to distinguish between these groups.

"The war in Iraq is a good example, where I believe the administration lumped together, Saddam Hussein -- a terrible guy -- with al Qaeda, which had nothing to do with Saddam Hussein," Obama continued. "And as a consequence, we ended up, I think, misdirecting our resources."

O'Reilly continued to harp on Iran and its quest for a nuclear weapon. Obama said it would be "unacceptable" for Iran to get a nuclear weapon and he repeated his vow that military action would always remain an option at his disposal.

No answer he could give on the issue though -- aside, perhaps, from "the bombs start falling on Inauguration Day" -- seemed like it would have satisfied O'Reilly, who continued to press Obama on precisely what military action the candidate was planning for.

"Answer the question, senator," O'Reilly demanded, despite Obama's assurances that it would be irresponsible to tip his hand on military planning.

Exasperated, O'Reilly moved on to the war in Iraq, praising the Illinois senator's foresight in opposing the war but taking a particularly tough line towards his vote against the "troop surge" that began last Spring.

"I think you were desperately wrong on the surge, and I think you should admit it to the nation," O'Reilly scolded.

Obama acknowledged that the surge "succeeded in ways that nobody anticipated -- including President Bush," but he maintained that the political progress the surge was meant to foster has still failed to materialize. Furthermore, he said, a part of the reduction in violence needs to be credited to the Anbar Awakening, where Sunni tribal leaders in the province turned against the insurgency and began cooperating with Americans.

"We have reduced the violence, but the Iraqis still haven't taken responsibility," Obama said, accusing Iraq's government of failing to invest the country's massive oil wealth in its rebuilding.

The statements echoed views Obama expressed in a July New York Times column on his Iraq plans.

Again, O'Reilly hectored. The surge worked, he said simply, and in a heated back and forth, Obama let slip his most frank agreement with that assessment.

"I've already said, the surge succeeded beyond our wildest dreams," Obama said during the exchange, almost as an aside.

It was that line that led Fox's release of excerpts from the interview earlier Thursday.

Not 20 minutes after the interviewed aired -- and at least an hour after the excerpts were released -- Sen. Lindsey Graham took to the Republican National Convention stage in St. Paul, Minn., to inaccurately accuse Obama of not believing the surge had been a success.

One assumes they had Fox News on in all the RNC green rooms. Maybe Graham just wasn't paying attention.

New segments of the interview, conducted Thursday in York, Pa., will air Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday on The O'Reilly Factor.

This video is from Fox's O'Reilly Factor, broadcast September 4, 2008: http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Obama_stays_cool_during_OReilly_questions_0904.html
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 04:49 PM
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1. The asshats want him to say that the surge was THE singular success point and it was/is not. eom.
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renie408 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 04:53 PM
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2. I really don't like that he said that. The surge worked...at what cost? And is it sustainable?
I really hate that Obama said the surge worked 'beyond our wildest dreams'.
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 04:55 PM
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4. No the way he said it was fine. And he needs to say it the same way in the debate.
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maryallen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 05:17 PM
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10. Agree. Bad move going on O'Reilly's show!!!
Who talked you into this dubious action, Barack?
You can't afford to make critical errors like this one.
If nothing else, Keith Olbermann has broadcast nightly the outrageous behavior and monumental ego of O'Reilly and you did not heed his warning.
Re-group, but don't make this mistake again.
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msallied Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 04:55 PM
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3. He has said this before.
Did the surge stem the overwhelming violence over there? Sure. But Obama never said that it justifies the entire Bush Iraq policy. Jeez.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 06:47 PM
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18. That's what I picked up. A lot of readers
seem to pick up key words, string them together and go "a-ha".
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Duke Newcombe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 05:03 PM
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5. Whether the "surge" worked or not isn't the question.
It's like a madman coming over to torch your house because he believes you killed his dog. The madman/arsonist then realizes that the guy next door to you is the culprit. Mr. Arsonist then puts out your house fire with a firehose, duct tape, and spit.

What do you do: congratulate him on his firefighting skill, or ask him why the fuck he torched your house?

Of course the surge worked--it HAD to work, among other actions. However, a "surge" would have been unneeded if we had, instead of invading a country that HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH ATTACKING US, we actually went after our real enemies.

Duke
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 05:06 PM
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6. The surge actually failed; it did not bring about political reconciliation.
Edited on Fri Sep-05-08 05:06 PM by AtomicKitten
I think Obama is conceding the point so he can step over it and talk about the Iraq war itself being a misbegotten, misguided travesty, one that McBush pushed for starting 9/12/01. That's the money point.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 05:12 PM
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9. Actually, differnt factions in Iraq ARE slowly unifying in one cause.... trying to get us to leave.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 05:21 PM
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13. Seems everybody wants us out except McBush.
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mw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 05:06 PM
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7. The "surge" succeeded like aspirin successfully stops headache pain
But aspirin doesn't cure the headache.

And the "surge" won't unfuck Iraq.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 05:11 PM
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8. No one doubts that putting more boots on the ground would quelll the violence.
The problem is that it should have been done more three years earlier. Now the Iraqis want us gone. We need to start the transition getting out, not ramp up sending more US troops in. The other problem is that for the three years pre-surge we weren't going after bin Laden and the surge now makes going harder after bin Laden near impossible.

Oh, plus there's all tho dead people. That's gotta be part of the consideration too.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 05:18 PM
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11. what was he thinking?
He should have talked to Woodward first.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 05:20 PM
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12. i'm sure obama went to the enemy camp with a true heart....but they lie and don't play fair
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 05:23 PM
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14. and people wonder why Code Pink and IVAW protest the DEM
Convention. Sorry, but the DEMS aren't much better on the war.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 05:28 PM
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15. Militarily-speaking, it was successful, which was pretty easy to predict.
He's said that before. Just didn't do much in terms of lasting tribal reconciliation, and the Iraqis dragged their feet on the government benchmarks. A lot of the violence went down for some NON-military reasons, too.
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 05:58 PM
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16. It. Wasn't. The. Surge.
It was the Sunni Awakening. It began before any of the surge even arrived.
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Duppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 06:46 PM
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17. Video here...
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 06:53 PM
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19. Uhh, he didn't really say that.
He said it "worked" in the sense that yes the violence is down. But that was NOT the goal of the surge when it was being pushed originally! He said the point of it was to get Iraqis to take control for themselves and that has NOT happened.
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Butch350 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 07:00 PM
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21. Your correct - that is what he said. I heard it. I really did!
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Beausoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 06:56 PM
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20. "I've already said, the surge succeeded beyond our wildest dreams,"
He said that.

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