After every Democrat praised McCain at the Democratic Convention ...

... and every Republican trashed Obama at the Republican Convention, why is anyone surprised that McCain is now leading in the polls?

Obama seems to be concentrating heavily on the ground game, which is great, but his media campaign is the same as Kerry and Gore's. Who knows? Maybe it will work this time.

Or maybe it's time to take our values to them. It is us who wanted to help teen moms, who fought against sexism, who pushed for change, and they're now taking credit for all that. And, is Obama hitting back? Not yet. Here's what we know from the Obama campaign: McCain is a war hero, Palin's family should not be criticized, and the surge was an amazing success. I see what the Obama campaign is doing, but I don't think it's working. I think all we're doing is reinforcing the Republican message. This is absurd. It's pathetic. It's unsound.

The Obama campaign needs a much tougher strategy, and they need to stick with it until the election.

Unfortunately, your approach is 'divisive' and 'partisan' and thus would be worse than a McCain presidency. :sarcasm:

This tactic of being above the so-called "partisan rancor" is not working. We've got to be down and dirty just like them, otherwise we're fighting with one hand tied behind our backs.

are the only ones who feel inadequate and their hands tied, because they aren't doing anything that matters.

In the real world, the tv and the Internet aren't changing anything now, that time is over, so they feel the walls closing in.

I canvassed for Obama multiple times in my home state, I plan on doing more now that I'm back at school, and I also volunteered 15-20 hours a week for a local campaign. I guess that's about as involved as I can be at this point in my life, not being privy to the campaign hierarchy (or anywhere close), but don't accuse me of being just another keyboard warrior.

So yeah, it pisses me off when I hear Democrats acting with deference to a campaign that has shown us absolutely none and going out of our way to not appear negative. Considering how effective the "make everybody afraid to vote for the other guy" strategy has been for the Republicans, I see no reason why we should not use it ourselves.

We like our candidate but really dont know anything that is going on in the campaign is not a winning pitch.

But hey, I tried. In any case, I know how to put my personal opinions on hold for awhile for the good of the cause. That's why we come on the internet to vent after all, isn't it?

saying bad things here. Isnt ripping the candidate on the Internet the same as in the real world by your logic?

So which is it?

I did not say anything about the TV in my posts nor did I say that the internet "matters". And no, FYI, coming to a liberal site where we can safely assume that everybody who isn't a troll is going to vote for Obama anyway to talk about campaign strategy is completely different from going out and trying to get unaffiliated voters to go for your guy.

Let me ask you a question for a change here. Do you honestly think everything is going well? Do you at least think that it could be/should be going better than it is? Or are you hunky dory with not using all our ammo against McCain?

Thats why your here whining, because your impression from the mediums of mass communications is there is a problem with the campaign.

The problem is you don't understand the campaign or trust the campaign.


Because you only seem to understand the caricature of the campaign not the campaign itself.

but I can't find it. Also, way to completely ignore my questions. Unless you're going to start talking to me instead of some strawman you've created, I'm outta here.

Those of us who said that Kerry needed to take off the gloves and fight Bush were called "armchair quarterbacks" then too.

Kerry lost. So much for his real world quarterbacks.

You assume because the path he chose did not work, that yours would have. There is a huge amount of reasons that suggest it wouldn't. One factor is that many people bonded with Bush over 911, which 3 years later seemed recent. More than 50% of the country had a favorable opinion of Bush. (note this is not the job approval statistic.) Attacking a sitting President in a time of war with that many people still liking him would have been a disaster.

Now, with Obama, it is a good year for the Democrats. The issues mostly favor us. Have faith in Obama and CANVASS and PHONEBANK.

If not the rethugs will paint him as the scary black guy

Pity Party and get the fuck off DU.

... but it is sweet, and I'm sure the Obama strategists appreciate it.

The DEms at our Convention gave mccain his due for serving his country and then lambasted the hell outta him on the ISSUES.

LOSER.

WAKE UP, we arent losing.

only due to a well timed sound bite.

I don't think I expected anyone to respond like that, though I am tired of the over-dramatic and tragic nature of some people's posts. I'm just surprised by your passion, Zidzi.

have done this negative, demoralizing crap on DU.

but have not noticed Onlooker - until I saw your post. It was a bit of a wake up call. I then started actively searching for this poster, and you are quite right.

I'm all for constructive criticism, and freedom to speak as one wishes, but there's a line that these two have crossed that serves only to distress. there is nothing constructive in the criticism, it all about teardown and bloated ego.

thanks for slap in the face :)

demwing! And, you're welcome:toast: :patriot:

I often learn something I wouldn't have stumbled upon on my own.

So I'd like them to stay on DU, if that's okay with you.

not okay with me.

I don't agree that their raison d'etre is to demoralize. Why would they want to do that? I think they're expressing their frustration and opinion that they think the current approach may not be the best, that's all. Or that's how I read it, anyway. :shrug:

geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Mon Sep-08-08 12:38 AM
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6. Sorry, but this is the candidate's fault.
He's the one who ran on unity and ending partisan divisiveness.

It's also my fault--I supported him in the primaries and bought into his bullshit fairy dust.

who believe that Team Obama can do no wrong.

They are in the process of blowing this election--for all of us.

Biden?

They'll win my state pretty easily.

But, they're in the process of losing the election.

What a string of fucked up posts I've been seeing on several threads by just a few this evening.

Fuckers.

It makes my cereal so much sweeter.

the continuation of Bush-Cheney and hammer it over and over. That's the winning strategy.

:thumbsup:

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

EXACTLY.

I'm getting amused reading the panic, "Obama/Biden is screwing up! We're fucked!" posts from people who have NEVER run a political campaign before. David Axelrod has. Barack Obama has. Joe Biden has. These people are PROFESSIONALS. And they know what they're doing. Has any of us run a political campaign before? I'll answer my own question....NO.

We're in good shape. As has been said ad nauseum, the Republicans just concluded their convention. They'll get a bump in the polls, as we did after our convention. I expect us to do VERY well in both the Presidential and Vice Presidential debates. Obama and Biden are VERY good on the campaign trail, and we have a huge amount of enthusiasm on our side. We can raise millions of dollars in donations in one day (as proved when we raised $10 million in 24 hours the other day). We're in GOOD shape. We need to work hard. But I think we're in very good shape to win this. :-)

It's a known fact.

you are not allowed to have an opinion on DU....you are no political expert....Obama knows what he is doing....if you are going to be negative get out of here....:sarcasm:

by phone banking, blah, blah, blah. Of course, you can't do BOTH---have an opinion and actively work to get Obama elected, can you? :sarcasm:

At least the ones from this week. :)

I'd like to see some fire in the belly in the form of anger and a sense of urgency. We are in danger of having a McCain/Palin ticket in the White House. I'm kind of annoyed that Obama has been putting on the smiley face lately. This is serious, man. He needs to put his serious face back on---and I know he has a good one---and start talking tough. Stop with the dismissive attitude toward the opposition. He needs to take them on with all the seriousness a possible McCain presidency deserves. Biden too, though I think he's been doing a better job attacking, but did he really need to pay a compliment to Sarah Palin on MTP. Take the kid gloves off!!!

Karl Rove wrote the rules, don'tyaknow.

him instead! I will never vote for McCain, but it is not so good for Biden to keep telling everyone how great McCain is and how he is such a good friend. It made me want to puke! All Dems need to do is tell the truth and expose the Republican lies, prove to voters that they are lying.

Repubs do not love America, if they did they would not be destroying it. Repubs have just about destroyed the military, ad infinitum, so saith the Pope.

democrats just lavish him with praise...i mean wtf? Cut the shit and layeth the smachdown right away!
They always mention he is a great man and then go on to say his policies are bad...but dude dont mention he is a great man cuz, even as a Canadian watching from the outside i have noticed that Americans are very much affected by characters rather than issues...you mention a man is great, as an opponent, only is a glowing review of that opponent and that issue thing you are talking about? they didnt even hear that. :crazy:

Is the reason that he's praising McCain so much to make the transition from McCain to Biden to Obama easier?

Let's say you're a Republican but you're sane and a little concerned with the McCain Palin ticket. Out comes Joe Biden and says nice things about the guy you kind of feel like you're supposed to vote for, in fact, is complimentary. He's not calling McCain a jackass and you a jackass by association. So, as a Republican, you're not put on the defensive for your previous support and your current tenuous support. Biden is saying, he's a nice guy, you're a nice guy and I'm a nice guy for being big enough to say so.

He's using the honey over vinegar approach, and damn! they are smarter than me!

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