Should Axelrod be replaced?

Let me be straight, I personally think that we need someone tough in charge--someone willing to roll up their sleeves and get down and dirty. On the otherhand--things had been going very well for us until this Palin bump in the road. I am interested in the thoughts of others on this....

I'm convinced that Obama's temperament will win the day.

This "high road" stuff scares the hell out of me. To me, it only seems to keep the polls and elections close enough for the repukes to steal.

We are talking about Axelrod here... A man tempered by Chicago politics.

Hold on to your hat kiddies. When this man switches gears, it just might break your neck.

I have every confidence in Axelrod. If this campaign fails, it is simply because there are too many racist voters.

He has run the middle of the road campaign that has absolutely been required so far.

If harder tactics are required, Barry and Davey will do it for us.

is good to hear!

by a lot. McCain's campaign has had its key people replaced twice, once for financial reasons and once for political reasons. Obama's is the only campaign that has broken all fund-raising records and he came from behind to win the primary. He has been ahead of McCain in electoral votes all along. He still is. And, in case you haven't noticed, we are talking about the first person with Obama's color skin to acomplish this in the history of our nation.

Why would anyone even raise this issue? The real question is, should we coronate Axelrod, not should we replace him! Doh!

the discussion has been about McCain ill temper- that his temperament is not
presidential stuff.

Obama is doing so well BECAUSE of his temperament.

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any approach he doesn't agree with.

Or, for all we know, Axelrod may be urging Obama to take off the gloves but Obama chooses not to. :shrug:

He's the one who ran on unity and ending partisan divisiveness.

It's also my fault--I supported him in the primaries and bought into his bullshit fairy dust.

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But everyone would know that John McCain made propaganda films for the North Vietnamese when he was a prisoner of war, it would ebe common knowledge that McCain finished fifth from the bottom of his Naval Academy Class, we would know the circumstances of his first meeting with Cindy McCain, we'd know the names of ALL the Keating 5 and what they did, etc, etc, etc.

I believe that the McCain Campaign would have already been so on the defensive that they wouldn't have had time to come up with the distraction that is Gov. Palin.

Nice guys finish last. I HOPE we can change that old adage.

She's still standing.

Obama got slapped around for two nights of television and he's cratering.

Your constant derision gets fucking old.

STFU.

Stick a pacifier in his mouth. I'm sick of the whining and lack of spine.

I need a break I guess. I have had it with the whiney ass babies.

the Republicans have no interest whatsoever in making nice with Democrats and we all saw more of this on display at the RNC convention. It's the only aspect of Obama's campaign that I never understood or liked during the primaries.

I'm voting Obama but that's mainly because he's moved a bit more center and towards where my and my families needs are. I do wish there was more work on party unity because a lot of my friends are still feeling the cold chill.

Please, stop making the unicorns cry. :cry:

:rofl:

:shrug:

:rofl:

and she's not sure that one crying baby Jesus is only good for 1/1000th the sadness of a single unicorn.

You could have a crying baby Jesus in a manger surrounded by crying animals and kings and crying mary and joseph.

And it still wouldn't be as sad. But it'd be pretty damned sad.

but i concede your point.

these are the saddest of all.

you've been posting. I don't recall seeing these in the past, I'm sorry that you feel badly about the candidate.

I hope hope and happiness returns to you.

Meantime, we've got your back with winning attitudes.

Be well, geek tragedy. Do a little well and good.

NYC_SKP

and it ain't Obama.

You attack Obama for being "divisive"... or not "ending partisan divisiveness" ... yet YOU are the one here trying to stir up the shit.

Our job is to get out there and convert people, register voters.

Not to cry while jerking off negativity.

so much about polls or anything; long time left!

... and explain your winning strategy. Don't forget to also tell him how many successful presidential campaigns you've personally run - I'm sure he'll be impressed.

claim to have a winning strategy--I was just curious about how my fellow DUers thought.

I see so many people second guessing Obama.

I am crazy about Obama-if there are any errors in his campaign, I feel that he is probably just listening to Axelrod--perhaps the blame should go there.

Really? Really? Your fellow Duers? You see people second guessing Obama? Take a hike buster. Jesus Gawd. How stupid are you people?

You people. Is this some kind of racial slur?

Came literally out of nowhere to become candidate for the presidency.
Continues to raise record amounts of campaign funds from small donors.
Beat Hillary, the "presumed" primary winner, against all odds.
Draws record crowds to events.
Acceptance speech attended by 86,000 people, watched by 35 million viewers.
50-state strategy in place, record numbers of on-the-ground volunteers.
Record numbers of new voters registered since campaign started.

Geez, where'd it all go wrong - aside from in your head?

she was on left, right and center the other day on npr...

lamented O's decision to go on o'reilly show and say he was surprised the surge had worked

she thought this played right into mccain's hands...and will be used against o

otherwise...i think Obama has to get a lot tougher, and we need to start being more proactive

If Arianna Huffington "laments" something Obama has said or done, Obama should immediately drop everything he's doing and defer to her better judgment.

Remind me again how many successful presidential campaigns Arianna has run?
I keep forgetting ...

I know!!! Was it "0" ? Unless you count being married to the guy who won once and then lost to Feinstein...

I knew that one.

And I raised my hand but you just blurted it out!

No Fair!

... whether I agree with her or not.

But it drives me NUTZ (personal peeve here) when people say, "But Arianna said ..., but Thom Hartman said ..., but Stephanie Miller said ...," as though any of these people have a record of being 100 percent right on every issue since the dawn of time.

Here's one for you: "But NanceGreggs just said ..." THAT and $157.80 will get you a cup of coffee at Starbucks.

my post was not clear

arriana is not the arbiter of campaign strategy

but she does inform of occurrences

and it seems stupid of O to have done the interview and to have said the surge worked

... I've seen a lot of "seems stupid of O" to have said this, or done that. But it has consistently proven to be the right thing to do in the end.

hope it was this time, also

it's that I was unaware O went on the oreilly show

and doubly unaware O said the surge had worked

she spoke regretfully of this

*I* was shocked to learn this

and think it was a huge mistake

it gave Iraq over to mccain essentially

Or is the list so lengthy you're still busy typing a response?

I said:

things had been going very well for us until this Palin bump in the road.

I have no list of complaints. Sheesh your reading comprehension needs work.

... a discussion of whether Axelrod should be replaced. If you don't perceive any "errors" in Obama's campaign strategy in the first instance, why would you ask people if they think Axelrod should go?

"If there are any errors in his campaign, I feel that he is probably just listening to Axelrod--perhaps the blame should go there."

What "blame" are you talking about? Why should there be any "blame" laid at Axelrod's feet, or anyone else's, if there are no "errors" you can point to that can or should be blamed on anyone?

My reading comprehension is fine, thank you. The problem seems to be - if you are to be taken at face value - that you are posing a question "for your fellow DUers" that you now claim has no basis for being asked in the first place.

So why did you ask it?

here on DU second guessing things. I am not going to make a list of things I have seen because I don't personally agree with them. Those with concerns are welcome to tell you.

I just was curious as to how people in general were feeling because today I have read a lot of things that concern me.

I am highly concerned because I see Democrats on here attacking each other (as you are doing to me) and complaining.

I am pointing out the fact that you started a discussion thread asking people if they think Axelrod should be replaced. You then go on to state that if there have been any errors in Obama's campaign strategy, they are probably Axelrod's fault.

So if you can't point to any such "errors", why start the discussion in the first place?

You are allegedly "concerned" about Democrats attacking each other, so your solution to that "concern" is starting a discussion about whether Axelrod should get the axe?

Sweetie, put away the knife - this is a gun fight. Don't post OPs that have no other purpose than to stir the shit, and then try to cover your ass with the "I'm just concerned about people attacking each other" bullshit. You talk about people "second guessing" things on a thread YOU started about second guessing Axelrod's strategy.

You DO realize how obvious you're being - on second thought, you obviously don't.

I've been very impressed with how he's directed the campaign.

The TV media/commerical shop working for Obama are amateurs compared to the McCain shop. The negative ads from Obama are horrible, except for the single ad where they have the video of McCain stating that he voted with Bush 90% of the time. Otherwise, Obama is getting his clock cleaned on the negative ads. They just aren't effective.

J

Nasty = victory. Victory is all that matters.

Rove or our Atwater? That is what I want to know...

That is wacky. It might even be whack.

this is a dumb post.

who's our equivalent of lee atwater? or rove? or this new guy schmidt?

what has been on my mind. I am sorry I seem to have offended so many.

Damn straight I am concerned. I am un unemployed AA male, no health insurance cancer survivor--my hope is getting Obama in--so save your breathe in giving me shit.

Also--I have been on DU over 4 years--but when I lost my job I lost my old email account and password so I had to start over here. So quit with the stupid assumptions that I am a troll. When we start eating our own we have really lost it and something is terribly wrong.

... when challenged on what he's done wrong, you can't name a single thing.

And THEN you talk about something being terribly wrong when we "start eating our own".

:rofl:

WTH would you even freaking ask???

All you chicken littles have got to settle down. The RW is eating this up and laughing.

McCain and Apaulin are not going to win. WE are more motivated and energized. Apaulin attracts the 28% of kooks who call themselves the Repub base. She is not going to win over very many smart Independent and Democratic women.

the Obama campaign has done very well - whether you call it rope-a-dope or campaign Judo - Obama and his people don't overreact, they don't seem to be driven by the other side - the negative jabs and momentum are turned against his opposition just when you think he will be overwhelmed.

There are a few members who seem to be trying to sow discontent, IMO.

To be generous, they're ignorant, but more likely they are disengaged lovers of the Clintions.

Welcome to DU.

would make more sense. Go away.

They love them some Karl Rove.

:scared:

Calling for Rove tactics is one thing.

Some are going so far as to predict an Obama loss, and with more than a little pride.

Some are stirring shit and it seems they'd like to see a loss, or they are at least provoking panic.

That's pretty ballsy.

Hate Rove, right? But asking who is our Rove.

What's next here? Asking if Obama/Biden should be replaced so we can have our own McCain/Palin ticket?

WTF!

:hi:

I have liked your posts for a long time!

And, thank you! :hi:

me from when I posted here as R.A.Fuqua? My account is still active--I just can't get in it so I had to start over--lost my job--so I lost that email account and the password was on the company computer too. I remember your posts--always liked you!

for duty. It's damned hard to be a Democrat and have ZERO values, be up for any lie, and/or not an iota of decency.

Democratic nomination. Barack should definitely fire him and hire some random idiot who thinks he can do a better job.

Jebus, please spare us from concern trolls.

If that bald old bastard comes anywhere this ticket, I'll snap his neck myself.

But perhaps those freaking out should be. Lets talk again in a week. That is enough time for Obama to deal with convention fallout, and still leaves plenty of time for those with the inclination to freak out before the election.

...they're probably the type of person who would call for the captain of an ocean liner to be thrown overboard the first time the ship started rolling. Or the pilot of a 747 to be replaced at the first sign of turbulence. :eyes:

to people suffering in the worst economy in a generation.

The tax cut/stimulus check thing failed to excite, imo.

Is it making funny noises?

It could be worn bearings, and not the axle rod at all.

I'm still waiting to hear why you started a thread asking whether Axelrod should be replaced, when you still haven't come up with anything he's done wrong - and why you're talking about "being concerned" that Democrats are "eating their own" by "second-guessing" everything - when second guessing Axelrod's campaign strategy was the premise of your post in the first place.

:shrug:

now I am heading to bed it is around 1am here.

I was concerned over posters who were second guessing our veep pick etc. I am not going to list those concerns because as I have said repeatedly I do NOT share them, I just wanted to see how many were thinking in these directions.

Lots of people said some very good things and I feel very good about that. You really didn't add much to the conversation and I see no point in staying up to chat with you.

... it's always best not to "chat" with people who ask questions you have no answers for.

So now you were "concerned" over posters who were second-guessing our veep pick - yeah, I can see how asking if Axelrod should be dumped ties right in with that "concern". I just don't know HOW I could have missed the oh-so-obvious connection between the two.

Nice try - better luck next time.

But again: Better luck next time.

McSame is not going to win. American people are wiser than that. Of course there are some racist here and there but they can't affect the election that much.