Why oh Why is Obama not attacking now... ~sigh~ the answer is Thursday

On Thursday there will be a joint appearance of Senator Obama and McCain, in a supportive non political address of 9/11

On 9/12, the gloves come off. But Obama is thinking with his head on his shoulders (ahem) instead of all the emotion of RIGHT NOW OR ITS ALL OVER FOR US!!!

When you step back a little, the big picture becomes much clearer. And by the way, the polls are already starting to settle down.

:smoke:

Wall to wall 9/11 all week.

It just makes me :puke: the way they have used 9/11 for anything and everything including wars and robbing us of civil rights.
And we are supposed to do all the moment of silence shit and praise the king for saving us from the terraist.

using 9/11?

Will they still exploit it in 2012, 2016, 2020..?

They did not even have bush in their 9/11 film at their convention. We are going to tie bush to McCain like a rotten log, and it will pull him down..

Obama is not letting them co-opt 9/11 for a political stunt. Smart politics

Democrats have been doing that since Reagan was elected in 1980....

Obama is a strong closer! :)

We used the exact same argunment with John Kerry - "remember Bill Weld in Massachusetts - don't worry, Kerry's a fantastic closer".

We used the exact same argunment with John Kerry - "remember Bill Weld in Massachusetts - don't worry, Kerry's a fantastic closer".

And, yes, Obama went after Hillary, but Hillary was ...
HILLARY. This is just a "hockey mom" and he'd be seen
as the big bad wolf ... He has to allow her to flame
out, while sprinkling water on her, not hitting her
with a hose.

I'd also argue that the Republicans were able to get Bush elected in 2000 because of the right's hatred of Hillary.

What the fuck does being a Hockey mom have to do with it anyways. Maybe it's because Obama let the right define her as a hockey mom that you feel this way.

We can't be afraid folks.

I mean, c'mon. "Wake up AMERICA!!"

to close strong. They CANNOT appear to be "going
after" her ... They've got to just let her burn
out on her own to a great extent.

The trend was strongly against Obama at the end of the race; Hillary was cleaning his clock. Yes, he won, but he didn't do it with the close, he did it with a stellar start.

McCain made a lot of mistakes, yet if he wins, he's a genius. Obama has made few mistakes and kept his head, but if he loses, he's an idiot soon to go though the cannibal treatment all Democrats who lose get.

Look deep into the archives of 2004. There were all kinds of posts, but now only the negative ones count once Kerry lost.

I can remember. They've hung back when they needed
to, attacked when necessary ... and the only reason
HRC won so many of those final primaries was because
Obama knew he had the thing locked up AND DIDN'T EVEN
show up. He was saving his energy for the general.

I still say the guy hasn't really fucked up yet.
This act isn't over yet.

I'm very comforted by the fact that they are not jerking things around in the wake of the RNC and its bounce.

Tells me they fully expected it and they are not troubled by what they are seeing in their own polling.

I remember when Obama said he expected to lose a few points after his trip overseas but it was a necessary thing to do. Obama plots a steady course.

Cause you're sure acting like it.

Obama missed a great opporutunity to define Palin; which would have been easy with her history. Instead they decided to ignore her. I'm sorry, but I think that was dumb.

I think both Obama and Biden have "damned her with
faint praise" by calling her a "skilled politician."
I'm sure there's more of that to come.

It didn't work then and it won't work now.

of politics.

That's the problem in a way -- he's gotten to where he
is because he HASN'T been an attack dog. Now he has to
watch losing those supporters who are buoyed by the
positive nature of his campaign by becoming "just another
politician."

In truth, HE IS JUST ANOTHER POLITICIAN but he has to
"package" himself as if he's not. It's hard but I have
faith he can do it. He MUST ATTACK, but in a very subtle,
almost imperceptible way, a way that doesn't even let his
his opponents KNOW he's attacking them ... until it's
too late. I think he can do it (Plouffe and Axelrod are
probably laying the groundwork for this right now).

My biggest complaint has been his unwillingness to define Palin. Ignoring the comments made about community service told me something about this campaign; and it was something I didn't like. A commercial highlighting the good works of community organizers was right there to be had, and they let it be.

There are numerous other positions they could have taken that wouldn't have been negative, and they chose not to do it.

That is why I'm disappointed.

to take a little nap?

;)

:rofl:...

I do believe there's a proper moment to attack, and it's not just days before a non-partisan event where both candidates will appear. That will make the attacking candidate (McSame) look small.

But after that, put on the gloves Barack and start swinging! We've got the truth on our side, and it should be very obvious to all but the most addicted Kool-Aid users that things aren't so hot in America right now.

The economy is horrid, we're having bank failures every week. Job growth is nil. Unemployment is up, food is up, utilities are up. People have to face these things every day, so they can verify it's the truth.

They need to hear about how much Iraq is costing us every day. It's sickening. They need to hear about how McSame doesn't support the troops with his voting record, despite what he says. They need to hear that not every mother would want her daughter to not have a choice were she raped. I'm not a mother, but I dare say most would not want to force their child to endure a pregnancy brought on by a violent rape or incest.

The truth is on our side, and we must remind people of that. The other side only has deception, because they cannot talk about their record because their record sucks.

I think Barack and Joe know when the time is right. I think they'll remember the mistakes of Al Gore and John Kerry and not repeat them. At least, I *HOPE* they remember.

:)

Obama is keeping his powder dry for a couple more days, but that does not mean we have to :)

I think Obama is smart about his campaign.

This has been a frustrating couple of days. I hope, ultimately, that McCain's vp pick bites him in the ass hard. - I mean his decision, not the actual person ;-) In a fair and reasonable world that's what would happen anyway.

she is starting already with a gaffe on not understanding how freddie and fannie are funded. Which should play into her supposed executive experience. he he he.

McCain's not playing nice until Thursday, so why should we?

George Bush has killed more Americans than Osama Bin Laden allegedly did. And there STILL has been no REAL investigation of what actually happened that day. I will not help the murderers glorify their "New Perle Harbor" (and no, that's not a typo)

He is NOT letting the republicans make an issue of 9/11 for their benefit. Like Joe Biden said about Guilani, he knows a noun, verb and 9/11.

Fuck 9/11 already!

LOL.

Unfortunately however the McCain campaign still has both barrels blazing.

Do we stop everything for bi-partisan patriotic nationalism then too? I don't recollect seeing that, but hey, maybe it flies under my radar every year.

edit for wrong month

interesting contrast.

Having a senior moment and typed September instead of December. DUH! I do that all the time..

They don't, and that is why Obama is not letting them have this. It might mean a couple of days of laying ground work, but Obama is not letting them run it like the swiftboaters did on Kerry. He is taking it to them, and not backing away

Show no fucking mercy!

McCain and Palin aren't even fucking human beings! They're nothing but godless hypochristian savage animals.

The rules of civility are suspended. They already know that. So why are we still abiding by them?

I have been an Obama supporter and worker since July 2007. We are here, because we trusted the team to get the job done. They did. I trust them now. The reason I originally posted about stepping back and seeing the big picture, is because I have been here before. And I have seen what is happening before with the team.

They are always, and I mean always two steps ahead. Even when it looks gloomy, they are out in front.

By then, the impressions will have been allowed to sink in and take root, and they'll be permanent by then. They'll have sunk into the public mind. And there they'll stay. And THAT will become the new "fact" against which any challenge is judged. And THAT is when we'll have lost this campaign. Anybody remember how John Kerry hung back and massaged it mentally before it finally occurred to him that he better start getting up and fighting back against the swiftboaters' attacks? He took so damn long realizing that you have to jump on these things before they're allowed to sink in - that they WERE allowed to sink in before he got off his ass and tried to do something. By the time he woke up and realized "hey, Americans do NOT know the real truth here and WILL be swallowing this and the "I'm not going to dignify that comment with a response" shit is just that: SHIT. In the public mindset, there IS this attitude: "well, gee, um... he isn't saying anything. He isn't disputing it. Ain't heard nuthin'. Guess it must be true then."

I can't believe how many people still don't get this. I just can't believe it. Especially after we already had it done to us and we didn't learn. How thick ARE we, anyway?

You. CANNOT. Sit. On. These. Things. And. WAIT. For. The. "Proper". Time. To. Respond. You just CANNOT. There is no such thing as a "proper" time. The only time is NOW. THIS INSTANT. Not sometime later when you've had several days to think it through. While you're sitting there thinking, America is already making up its mind and moving on without you. He should have been jumping on this all weekend.

get away from them. Take a look at what is coming out and how they are handling this.

It's not on the MSM... try C-Span...

attack first

rethugs will use 9/11 to their advantage

But when the corporate media, consolidated into Republican ownership now, report on what Obama has done they say "Obama held a successful town hall meeting in Peoria today." Period. Full stop.

When they cover their guy, John Sidney McCain III, modern Republican, humble servant with $520 loafers, they say "McCain held a successful town hall meeting" and show a clip of JSM III saying "Obama wants to raise your taxes."

Republican Owned Media help the Republican party demoralize Democrats by not giving them as much coverage. They can hurt Democratic morale by not covering the excellent fighting statements Obama has made about the Bush-McCain Republican mistakes of the past eight years.

And that is why it is so important for us to as we say in the western part of Iowa, "cowboy up (or cowgirl in my case ;)" or in this instance time to "Barack Up".. and do our part. We can hold the media accountable.

And if a person thinks we can't have an impact, remember what we did to ABC with the debates. This election is about all of us. Not just Obama pulling us along like dead weight. We get in there and start flooding our papers with editorials, our local radio shows, with call ins.

We will give them something to think about

keeping our powder dry.

Obama and Biden are attacking as hard as they can, buying ads as their budget allows, focusing resources where they will do the most good, but they do not control the narrative spewing across the MediaCorp airwaves. They are screaming at the top of their lungs in a tornado of MediaCorp Bullshit. They cannot be heard above the coordinated synchronized torrent from the other side.