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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 01:11 PM
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Is MSM reporting that Palin thought Fannie & Freddie were taxpayer funded?
?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/08/palin-makes-her-first-gaf_n_124792.html

Gov. Sarah Palin made her first potentially major gaffe during her time on the national scene while discussing the developments of the perilous housing market this past weekend.

Speaking before voters in Colorado Springs, the Republican vice presidential nominee claimed that lending giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac had "gotten too big and too expensive to the taxpayers." The companies, as McClatchy reported, "aren't taxpayer funded but operate as private companies. The takeover may result in a taxpayer bailout during reorganization."

Economists and analysts pounced on the misstatement, saying it demonstrated a lack of understanding about one of the key economic issues likely to face the next administration.

"You would like to think that someone who is going to be vice president and conceivable president would know what Fannie and Freddie do," said Dean Baker, co-director of the Center for Economic and Policy Research. "These are huge institutions and they are absolutely central to our country's mortgage debt. To not have a clue what they do doesn't speak well for her, I'd say."


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budkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 01:11 PM
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1. Obviously not.
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SuperTrouper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 01:13 PM
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2. This is why they are keeping this moron away from the press. She is an idiot
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 01:15 PM
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3. I can't stand her ... but Freddie and Fannie USED to be public organizations
and then were taken private (maybe 10 years ago I
thought?). They continued to have the appearance
of being "quasi-government" organizations, even
though they had shareholders. Bottom line is, it's
a gaffe but not a huge one. There are plenty of
BIGGER LIES we can nail her on ...
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 01:19 PM
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5. pardon my disagreement... this IS a huge event, Fannie & Freedie
being taken over by the Feds, and if she doesnt understand the fundamentals of this story what ELSE doesn't seh understand. People EXPECT politicians to lie, but expect them to be competent. This kind of gaffe illustrates how similar these 2 are to the incompetenet B*sh admin.

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psychmommy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 01:52 PM
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11. even if she didn't know anything, pick up a freakin newspaper.
i am learning because i listened to the news & read stuff on du. americans probably didn't know but this crap has been in the news. it is no excuse. she is starting to believe her own hype.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 04:15 PM
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17. I get your point &
she shoudl be smart enough NOT TO COMMENT on things she doesn't understand. Maybe intro her to the google?
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 01:15 PM
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4. Problem Is, Most Voters Think So Too
Oy gevalt.
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chicagoexpat Donating Member (843 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 01:21 PM
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6. U whine about the MSM reporting while linking to a post that gets its info from the MSM
Edited on Mon Sep-08-08 01:24 PM by chicagoexpat
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& this is like the 3rd or 4th post about the Palin & FM/FM issue today.

Geee, how does everyone know about this if the MSM won't report it?
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 01:37 PM
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9. FNMA (Fanny Mae) does cost taxpayers billions.
Edited on Mon Sep-08-08 01:43 PM by Statistical
Um despite Fanny Mae (FNMA) being publicly owned company it does cost tax payers billions of dollars. About $5 billion per year. Since inception it likely has cost taxpayers about 1/4 TRILLION. Why?/How? FNMA can borrow money form US government at very low rate (<2%) to provide necessary liquidity. They are a lender of last resort so can be forced by other banks to accept loans. If more loans are comming in then going out FNMA will be short cash. They borrow cash from US Govt at WELL BELOW market rate.

But wait you say how does US govt pay for he cash? We are in $10T national debt. They borrow more money.
So FNMA gets money at <2% and US govt borrows at 5%-7%. FNMA pays the principle (+2%) back to govt but govt borrowed money at 6%. So taxpayer loses 4% on every dollar FNMA borrows.

A personal way to look at it is. I want a car so you loan me the $20K. I pay you in full over couple years. I am never late or miss payment. However you are a good friend so you give me an interest free loan. Durring the loan YOU run into hard times so you need to take a home equity loan. I am paying you back @ 0% but you are paying bank back at 5%. Good deal for me (FNMA). Good deal for bank (US debt holders). Not so good deal for you.

It really is a shitty deal for taxpayers. Bankers get instant liquidity. They can buy and sell loans and clear them from their books. FNMA gets stuck w/ loans and when they need cash govt loans it to FNMA.
Bankers = big win
Brokers = big win
Wall Street = big win
Treasure Bond Holders (China) = medium win (more debt = higher interest rates)
Homeowners = small win (easier to get loans since higher liquidity in market)
Taxpayer = huge stick in the *ss.


Federal subsidies

The FNMA receives no direct federal government aid. However, the corporation and the securities it issues are widely believed to be implicitly backed by the U.S. government. In 1996, the Congressional Budget Office wrote "there have been no federal appropriations for cash payments or guarantee subsidies. But in the place of federal funds the government provides considerable unpriced benefits to the enterprises... Government-sponsored enterprises are costly to the government and taxpayers... the benefit is currently worth $6.5 billion annually."<13>. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are required to hold less capital than normal financial institutions: e.g., it is allowed to sell mortgage-backed securities with only half as much capital backing them up as would be required of other financial institutions. Specifically, regulations exist through the FDIC Bank Holding Company Act that govern the solvency of financial institutions. The regulations require normal financial institutions to maintain a capital/asset ratio greater than or equal to 3%.<14> The GSEs, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, are exempt from this capital/asset ratio requirement and can, and often do, maintain a capital/asset ratio less than 3%. The additional leverage allows for greater returns in good times, but put the companies at greater risk in bad times, such as during the current subprime mortgage crisis. FNMA is also exempt from state and local taxes. In addition, FNMA and FHLMC are exempt from SEC filing requirements; however, both GSEs voluntarily file their SEC 10-K and 10-Q.


Now I will bet $1,000 that Palin had no idea about this. However since her statements are ambigous when the media finally calls her on it either she (or a surogate) will pounce that "OF COURSE IT COSTS TAXPAYERS" and that is why it is a problem. She wins by pure dumb luck.
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hughee99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 01:29 PM
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7. They soon will be "taxpayer funded". n/t
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 01:34 PM
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8. Check LBN. Chicago Tribune is reporting it BECAUSE Huffpo
was harping on it, otherwise they would have missed the story.

Credit for drawing attention to it goes to HuffPo.
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chicagoexpat Donating Member (843 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 01:39 PM
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10. *snicker* Huffington does no reporting on its own
Edited on Mon Sep-08-08 02:08 PM by chicagoexpat
It simple picks things up from the MSM and then re-broadcasts them.

The Huffingtonpost post LINKS TO THE MSM as its source!

CHECK... THE... LINKS of the post!

Source for Huffington Post: * Posted on Saturday, September 6, 2008
Candidates briefed on seizure of Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac

Tribune: article published September 7, 2008

Huffington Post: September 8, 2008 11:50 AM

Kinda hard for the Huffington to get the Tribune to pick it up, when THE TRIBUNE PUBLISHED ITS ARTICLE FIRST.

The Chicago Tribune does its own reporting, and its article came out BEFORE the Huffington Post picked it up from the MSM news feeds
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:51 PM
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12. I read the Trib article and would swear it specifically stated that
HuffPo raised the hubbub FIRST.
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Sensitivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 04:05 PM
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13. THIS is a gaffe the Obama Campaign could legitimately HYPE w AD to get it into MSM
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justiceischeap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 04:07 PM
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14. It was just talked about on MSNBC (eom)
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 04:08 PM
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15. She's a joke!
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MissMarple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 04:13 PM
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16. She is dangerous. She will court the lowest levels of the GOP base and they will love her.
And she will be controlled by the people behind Cheney.
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kikiek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 04:22 PM
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18. It's what they taught her to say. Like a cover all. Too big and too expensive. Haha. Didn't work !
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Blarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 04:56 PM
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19. She is a fucking idiot.
a stonecold fool.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 05:04 PM
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20. ABC news & NYT news blogs say they're "confused". Trying to throw her a rope.
Edited on Mon Sep-08-08 05:06 PM by chill_wind


A Confusing Comment on Fannie & Freddie From Gov. Sarah Palin

Jake Tapper is ABC News' Senior National Correspondent based in the network's Washington bureau

September 08, 2008 2:56 PM

Saturday in Colorado Springs, Colo., Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin said, "The fact is that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac have gotten too big and too expensive to the taxpayers. The McCain-Palin administration will make them smaller and smarter and more effective for homeowners who need help."

"Too expensive to the taxpayers?"

They're private entities.

Though they're private entities ultimately backed up by the taxpayers.

But the only way Fannie and Freddie are "too expensive to the taxpayers" is if you're talking about the bailout announced over the weekend.

Is that what she meant?

So, does "too expensive" mean that Palin opposes the bailout?

Or did she misstate how these entities function?



http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/a-confusing-com.html



Palin’s Bailout Statement Raises Questions
September 8, 2008, 3:51 pm


From Leslie Wayne, a DealBook colleague:

Did Sarah Palin know what she was talking about when she made her first major statement on domestic economic policy?

In a campaign stop in Colorado Springs over the weekend, Ms. Palin addressed the biggest issue of the day – the government takeover of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

“They’ve gotten too big and too expensive to taxpayers,” said Ms. Palin, referring to the two entities. “The McCain-Palin administration will make them smaller and smarter and more effective for homeowners who need help.”

But what did she mean? Did she mean, as some people are now saying, that she thought that Fannie and Freddie are government entities, which they are not, as shareholders of the two publicly traded companies painfully know? Or, did she mean that the bailout – whose final price tag will not be known immediately – is going to cost a lot of money?

Others are confused as well. When McClatchy Newspapers reported her statement, it took a stab at clarification, and had it both ways. After reporting her quote, the newspaper added: “The companies, however, aren’t taxpayer funded but operate as private companies. The takeover may result in a taxpayer bailout during reorganization.”

Ms. Palin’s comments on Fannie and Freddie went largely unnoticed by political reporters, who are more schooled in political rhetoric than economic theory. But left-leaning blogs have picked it up and are portraying it as a gaffe.


http://dealbook.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/08/palins-bailout-statement-raises-questions/


The LATimes blog doesn't even register the question. Guess he must take her at her word.

Peter Viles, senior producer for Real Estate at LATimes.com, has worked as a reporter for the Associated Press and CNN,



Obama, McCain back Fannie-Freddie bailout; Palin calls them "too big"


4090475711094130_previewDevelopments today in the government's weekend bailout of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae:
Alaska Governor Sarah Palin, the Republican nominee for vice president, said during a rally Saturday afternoon in Colorado Springs, Colo., that Fannie and Freddie have "gotten too big and too expensive to the taxpayers." She added: "A McCain-Palin administration will make them smaller and smarter and more effective for homeowners who need help."

As I bloviated yesterday, I'm interested in hearing either candidate articulate a strategy for dealing with the credit crunch. Waiting for the Bush administration's treasury secretary to take historic action, and then saying it's probably the right thing to do, is not a strategy.



http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/laland/2008/09/obama-mccain-bl.html
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