Obama going after Palin

Obama on Palin: 'You can't just reinvent yourself'

Not long after the Obama campaign signaled it wouldn't go directly after Sarah Palin, the candidate goes right at her.

Well, how about Gov. Palin? She's you know, an up and comer from Alaska. She - they're starting to run an ad now saying she opposed the bridge to nowhere. Well now, let's get the facts clear here. When she was mayor, she hired a Washington lobbyist to get earmarks - pork barrel spending - all the things that John McCain says is bad, she lobbied to get! And got a whole lot of it. When it came to the bridge to nowhere, she was for it until everybody started raising a fuss about it and she started running for governor and then suddenly she was against it!

You remember that? For it before you were against it? I mean you can't just make stuff up. You can't just recreate yourself. You can't just reinvent yourself. The American people aren't stupid.

It's unusual to see the presidential nominee so focused on his rival's running mate, and a sign that her wattage is changing the race a bit.

(via Marc)

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0908/Obama_on_Palin_You_cant_just_reinvent_yourself.html#comments

:hi:

does supporting the Democratic party and voting for the Democratic nominee mean being 100% enamored and unquestioning?

It's natural that some folks might ask this question.

You can do an advanced search by poster. I'm not jumping into this particular fray, just pointing out that you can easily check a poster's history.

Sure you can do advanced search, but it's more fun to be a jerk who can't get over the primary, and as you can see, all the kewl kidz are doing it.

And it is pretty obvious to me right now.

Dems to win in November. And I'm tired of people like you who can't let go of the primaries.

primary Hillary supporters, am now supporting Obama for President. It's pretty damn annoying to have my motivations questioned, especially for a rather innocuous comment.

Very much, indeed. People are noticing.

In situations like this, my mother would say, 'A hit dog always hollers'.

What took you so long?

:evilgrin:

If I'm going to be attacked just for thinking that then I think some of you need to chill.

Just curious.

It's the second woman in American history to run for the job and, therefore, someone who will get tons of media attention. And it's the candidate of the two (McCain and Palin) who has the most popularity in her party. How often has that ever happened in American history (the VP candidate more popular than the Prez in their own party)? McCain was dead in the water until Palin re-energized their base.

And is, as it has been said (and I just can't repeat it enough:7), a sunburn away from the presidency if McCain gets elected.

Which may be a trap and it may be stupidity. But all the hoopla I'm seeing over here in republican trading land (I work with brokers) is all about Obama and Palin. Obama vs Palin. Its as if McCain doesn't exist anymore, nor Biden.

The main reason Palin was picked was to energize the party and give all these idiots something to get behind. And they're behind her not McCain.

But the weird thing is, Palin's shadow has quickly overtaken McCain and he's regulated to, what was traditionally, the forgotten VP slot. I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing. I can see pluses and minuses for everybody on that.

Good or not, this is the reality. The GOP wants to talk about Palin and nothing more. No issues, no plans, no politics. They want a white woman to take on a black man. I believe they think its the only way to combat Obama because they can't get past his skin and deal with the man instead of the color.

Sad but true from where I sit.

We are RUNNING full force into a trap.

It should be:

MAIN EVENT - Obama vs. McCain
Subcard - Biden vs. Palin


Instead, we have:

MAIN EVENT - Obama vs. Palin over who is more/less qualified
Biden with no where to go
McCain grinning while the two "young 'uns" work out their differences and he appears above the fray



Please let this end. Obama, meet John McCain, your opponent. You have one job... destroy him. DON'T TAKE THE BAIT!!!

But what the other side does, and does really well, is talk only about what they want to talk about. And in this case its a never ending chorus of Obama-Palin comparisons. So long as Palin gets press, that's all you'll see from them. As far as I can tell the only one who's talking is Palin.

When Republicans talk to me about Palin, I ask them who, exactly, is running for President? I thought McCain was, I thought he makes policy, I thought this was his campaign, I thought he was calling the shots. So, I ask them, where the fuck is McCain?

They have no answer and try to talk about Palin again. Its like trying to talk your way through a brick wall.

McCain is going to come out at one of the debates and say "you have been comparing your experience with a no experience VP candidate. I assume you have admitted to yourself that your experience is nothing compared to mine." This is a HUGE trap and we need to avoid it. Biden needs to get the hell out and do his job.

Fuck them. Take out Palin. She is weak. Exploit your enemies' weaknesses.

If Obama doesn't go after her he's a wimp and if he does he's wrong. Why can't he go after her and McCain. They are doing it.

and now he has. Why should Joe be the only one to get in her face? She has slammed Obama, and Joe. They BOTH can give it right back to her. I'm glad he said something, and I don't see it as an "attack" at all. He just addressed the issues that surround her.

BTW, she took the gloves off first. Being the self-centered c*nt that she is.

down.

Obama is saying that Palin is like McCain. That's all he's saying.

"First for it, then against it. SOUND FAMILIAR?" This is his driving point about how McCain is flip-flopping, and so is Palin.

I too would prefer that Biden deliver the hard-hitting punches. However, I'm not sure that his "punches" are going to make it into the media.

It's an awkward Catch-22. As the punches become more vicious, eventually, the media will find a way to spin it against Obama.

Right now, I think it's his supporters who are clamoring for him to take a punch. But I'm not sure that this is what mainstream America wants to see.

That's why I think it has to be the ads, and US.

Palin needs to be hit but yes, Biden needs to do it. Obama should be focusing on Mccain. Lobbyists, doesn't know # of houses, just like bush

Obama needs to be attacking McCain's policies.

I'm glad he did.

That is to say, not at all. Every Republican I know wanted anybody but McCain. I have no idea how McCain got the nomination when interest in him is so shockingly low. Maybe they were too busy voting in open primaries to draw out our blood letting, I dunno.

Palin, on the other hand, is exactly what the modern day, Jesus loving (and misunderstanding), pro-corporation over national interests, small government, arm-chair warrior wants. She looks good on film and says empty things that invoke an emotional response. Just like the Chimp. (OK, "looks good" is a relative term. Palin, attractive. Bush comedic).

He deflates her gender "rock star" status in the GOP very nicely here:

Biden Says Palin's Gender Doesn't Change His Debate Game
Posted by Ryan Corsaro


(CBS)
From CBS News' Ryan Corsaro:

(KALISPELL, MT.) - Joe Biden says he’s not expecting anything different from what he’s used to in taking on Sarah Palin in the upcoming vice presidential debate.

“I’ve got to say, I find it fascinating. It seems like the only people in the room that think that debating a woman is going to be fundamentally different are people who don’t hang around with smart women,” Biden said aboard his campaign plane as he traveled to Montana today.

“I mean, you know, the idea that I’ve not debated tough, smart women. Come to the Senate, man. Take on Barbara Mikulski. You know, uh, take on Olympia Snowe. You know, take on Dianne Feinstein. Take on Barbara Boxer. Take on you know, the list goes on.

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/09/07/politics/fromtheroad/entry4423521.shtml

tooo bad, so sad....now stop with the snide comments. :grr:

Ya know..... why isn't Obama going after Palin?

hmmmm... could it be because of that 'so focused on the rival's running mate... changing the race' comment?

Now, will he continue and do it in a commercial?

that their campaign theme of "reform" is a sham. He MOSTLY attacks McCain. The Palin dip was just a brief side step.

He SHOULD be addressing the out and out LIES being peddled by the McCain camp, whether they are coming from Palin or McCain.

that's just the way it is.

I'm glad Barack is going after her. She's going after him... so fuck it... let's play ball, y'all.

Obama is plenty agile when he chooses to be. She's giving him fodder for a few EXCELLENT slam-dunks so far.

Just one thing.

I wish Obama would just flat out call her a liar on live TV. Don't mince words, don't say she's "inaccurate", call her a LIAR! Because that's what she is. That's what the Republicans are!

...doesn't matter which one of them, or both. As long as they DO it.

That's our guy. Kick some redneck ass Barack!

should define her before the McCain campaign managed to build a mythos around her. They didn't. Now she's got this image as a maverick, family values-loving, brave, independent woman. It's going to be really hard to break through the bullshit now. Especially since the media has fallen in love her her rather than torn her apart for her blatant lies and crazy-ass views.

Yeah, cause there was a chance that might not happen?

GMAFB.

because as far as I can tell Biden won't do the job...instead he goes on MTP yesterday and talks glowingly about Palin...WTF?

true lol

You just have a bug up your ass....go cry somewhere else.

just talking the facts...

She's what's making this race close. McAss is the biggest ZERO in the repuke party and couldn't back his ass up in a pay toilet without help. Destroy the head (Palin) and the rest of the withered body dies.

weird shit goes on in isolated fundy households

and they believe anything the GOP tells them. Despite continuously getting burned.

If Americans were smart the polls today would read Obama 90% McCain 10%

about Obama. i think he has shown restraint against this woman and has let her repeat her lies enough so that there is no mistake when he calls her a liar it will stick.

Biden is a sweetie and authentic... but he is NOT the same ilk as the smiling spitting viper that Palin is showing herself to be.

Biden is not the best speaker... kinda meanders around. It is too bad. Obama could take her down in a minute with his oratory... but Biden... bad news.

He does a great job...honestly, there's nothing to worry about in that department!

OBAMA MUST Fight back hard and start calling them on their lies every day.

McCain can't say he was debating/comparing experience he was slamming her head for lying and trying to be something she's not.

He didn't fall into the trap and he's effectively just looping her in with McCain/Bush/Cheney.

Also, I thought Joe was excellent on MTP but then I'm up for listening to what is said and think in larger than soundbite segments.