In Event of a (269)Tie at the Electoral College, the Dems in the House Have Majority

tekisui

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Mon Sep-08-08 03:34 PM
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In Event of a (269)Tie at the Electoral College, the Dems in the House Have Majority

Edited on Mon Sep-08-08 03:37 PM by tekisui

Below is the current map of Party majority in the House per State. The Dems have 27 states, 2 states tie and the repubbies have 21 states.

So in the unlikely, but possible outcome of 270 to 270 EVs for Obama and McPOW, the vote in the House, one vote per state, would likely result in President Obama.

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TayTay

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Mon Sep-08-08 03:35 PM
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1. You mean 269-269

270 electoral votes wins the race.

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tekisui

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Mon Sep-08-08 03:37 PM
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2. Doh!, you're right. Changing it now...

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godai

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Mon Sep-08-08 03:39 PM
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5. Chuck Todd showed how this could happen fairly easily.

Edited on Mon Sep-08-08 03:40 PM by godai

He had Obama ahead as of today, something like 260-220. Distributing the remaining states gave Obama more than 270 but, switching one state would result in 269-269.

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tekisui

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Mon Sep-08-08 03:45 PM
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9. That would be a nightmare, as states would start challenging vote

totals, but the next step would be the vote in the House, and would go to Obama.

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Bucky

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Mon Sep-08-08 04:47 PM
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18. 269 or not 269

that is the question...

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On the Road

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Mon Sep-08-08 03:38 PM
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3. If It's One Vote per State,

how would Kansas decide?

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WeDidIt

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Mon Sep-08-08 03:39 PM
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4. Ties would most likely abstain.

It's a win for us and is possible.

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tekisui

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Mon Sep-08-08 03:42 PM
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7. To win, the candidate must get an absolute majority-26 votes,

so Kansas would not factor, as the 27 Dem state go to Obama.

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yellowcanine

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Mon Sep-08-08 04:12 PM
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15. That is assuming there are no Lieberdems in states with one vote Dem majorities.

Not an assumption I am willing to bet on.

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beyurslf

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Mon Sep-08-08 04:08 PM
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13. KS would probably go for McCain since the state will go largely for him.

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hvn_nbr_2

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Mon Sep-08-08 03:41 PM
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6. Don't be so sure about that.

Since the voting in the House is by state, it can be very distorted. For example, if California delegation is 37 Dems and 17 Reps, it's one vote for Obama. But Wyoming's one Puke and zero Dems completely cancels out Calif.

Pukes are much more likely to control small population states. In 2000, if the electoral college votes were based on population/House seats only instead of having the two extra votes for every state regardless of size, then Floriday wouldn't even have mattered. Gore would have won.

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tekisui

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Mon Sep-08-08 03:44 PM
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8. If the Electoral College ties, the House is called into session

and each state gets one vote, based on their party representation of that state. The Dems have a majority in 27 states. The number needed to win is 26.

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theothersnippywshrub

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Mon Sep-08-08 03:53 PM
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10. If it is a tie, republicans will try to take it to Fat Tony

and his Brethren on the Supreme Court again rather than follow the Constitution. It's what they do.

First though, a tie could result in recounts in several states, maybe even in a Congressional district or two in Maine or Nebraska.

I am not sure my nerves could take a tie.

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tekisui

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Mon Sep-08-08 03:55 PM
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11. It's a worst case scenario.

I want Obama to go into election day polling around 300EVs, so he has a cushion and we can avoid the ensuing mess.

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theothersnippywshrub

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Mon Sep-08-08 04:32 PM
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17. Me too. n/t

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WeDidIt

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Mon Sep-08-08 04:03 PM
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12. The constitution is clear

there's no wiggle room on what to do if no candidate should obtain a majority on the electoral college.

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beyurslf

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Mon Sep-08-08 04:10 PM
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14. Why would the Republicans let some little old paper get in their way?

They ignore the constitution any time it is convenient.

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WeDidIt

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Mon Sep-08-08 04:17 PM
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16. There must be some sort of wiggle room, though

and there is no wiggle room in the event that no candidate obtains a majority of electors.

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theothersnippywshrub

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Mon Sep-08-08 04:50 PM
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20. Very true. Bush has argued more than once that, since the Constitution

Edited on Mon Sep-08-08 04:53 PM by theothersnippywshrub

makes the president the commander in chief, the Constitution can not prescribe any limits on his powers as commander in chief.

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theothersnippywshrub

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Mon Sep-08-08 04:48 PM
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19. How many lawsuits could be brought in how many states challenging

how many provisions of state election laws and how many alleged irregularities on election day and how many alleged irregularities in recount procedures? One? Five? Twelve? More than two dozen? More than fifty? How many such lawsuits would the republican party be willing to file in order to take the White House? How many would the republican party need to win? How many well paid, highly skilled lawyers are available to the republican party?

Tell me again about the clarity of the Constitution?

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