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Prefer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 05:43 PM
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CNN:Palin was Catholic UNTIL she got SAVED!
Edited on Mon Sep-08-08 06:13 PM by Prefer
Oh my god did I just hear that?

In her own words, when she joined the pentacostal church, she got SAVED.

So this means that, according to Sarah Palin's beliefs, Catholics are not saved?

I guess you have to speak in tongues for that.

They also talked about Alaska being a beacon in end times. And she was on stage with him when he said it.

This was Blitzer reporting.

THIS IS OUR GAME CHANGER, FOLKS!
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 05:45 PM
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1. I say we keep this one kicked all night
:thumbsup:
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 05:45 PM
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2. Evangelicals don't have very high opinions of Catholics.
"Not being saved" is the least of what they often accuse Catholics of.
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 06:00 PM
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23. Assembly of God churches don't have very high opinions about any other faith.
As far as I can tell, they don't even particularly trust other evangelicals. They truly believe unless you belong to THEIR church, and only their church, you're going to hell.

Catholics going to hell? Check!
Presbyterians going to hell? Check!
Baptists going to hell? Check!

And I guess all Methodists too, except "are wundrufful pres'dent." :eyes:
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gblady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 09:50 PM
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67. Methodists, too....
when I was a small child,
I could not understand why my auntie would pray at the dinner table
for us poor sinner Methodists who were going to go to hell...

It made no sense to me as we went to church three times a week.
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 01:43 PM
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125. I had a friend in high school who was "saved" and she
harped on me constantly to join her in her "saved-ness"

'cause since I was a silly Methodist, I obviously needed "saving" :eyes:
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Kool Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 05:00 PM
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111. My parents were Catholic (Mom) and
Methodist (Dad). My sis and I were baptized in the Episcopal church. We moved too far away to attend that church, but my parents still wanted us to go to church. An Assemblies of God church was built in our neighborhood, so my parents thought-problem solved, and that's where we wound up going. Until they told my little sister that if her Mommy and Daddy didn't come to church and be saved, they were going to hell. My sister was quite upset, to say the least. My Father went to the minister and told him how he felt about that, and that ended our great Assemblies of God experiment. My parents never sent us to any church again. My Dad said when we were older, we could decide for ourselves what to believe.
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 09:03 PM
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122. I had a friend who went to one when she was going through a messy divorce.
Edited on Tue Sep-09-08 09:04 PM by intheflow
She needed some stability, she needed a community that would support her. The Assemblies of God church was on the corner of her street. At first she was the darling, a new mind the women there felt they could shape in their own image. She loved the music during the service. Her kids--who she loved fiercely, and was fighting to retain custody so they wouldn't live with their alcoholic father--made friends in Sunday school. But within a year the women turned on her, even calling the police to report she was seen hanging her daughter out a second floor window a la Michael Jackson. :eyes: I mean, my friend was absolutely devoted to her kids and would never do anything to harm them, but the women in the church were so vicious she almost lost custody of her kids when her husband used that to reopen the custody case. Turns out one of the women had started dating her ex and she got all her crony friends to turn on my friend. Disgusting hypocrites!


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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 04:26 AM
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78. I was raised Catholic...
Edited on Tue Sep-09-08 04:29 AM by TwoSparkles
I went through years of private, Catholic schools and let me tell you--Catholics
don't think very highly of Pentecostals, either.

They are seen as wackos. This is what I think it so beautiful about all of this.
Catholics are a big voting block and there is a large contingent of them that
is Independent. I imagine that a Pentecostal is much further from their philosophy
than Barack Obama's Christianity.

This could have the effect of Christians seeing themselves as more like Obama on
issues of spirituality and religion. Pentecostals are considered the wacky nut
jobs on the Christianity spectrum.

Also, there is a lot of sentiment among Catholics (especially older Catholics) that
the Catholic Church is the "one true church" started by God, when God told Peter, "Upon
thy rock, build my church." I don't know how many times I heard that other religions
were started by men, not God--and therefore inferior spin-offs.

Some of these Catholics, who think this way, can be persuaded to understand that other
religions started due to the corruption in the Church. They get that. Lutherans, Methodists, etc
are closer to the Catholic tree. They're still considered 'apples that fell off' the tree, but
there's still an understanding there. Pentecostals aren't viewed like that. They're seen as spin offs
from spin offs--and their wacky-tacky speaking in tongues and flamboyant services are viewed as
bizarre to many Catholics.

To many Christians, Pentecostals are like the crazy aunts in the attic--in the religion world.

I don't speak for all Catholics, obviously. However, after being indoctrinated for decades, you
get a pretty good sense of the basic psychology.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 04:24 PM
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91. We don't care. I'd venture the feeling is mutual.
Edited on Tue Sep-09-08 04:25 PM by WinkyDink
WE DO pray that we believe in "the one True and Apostolic Faith", after all! :)
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 05:46 PM
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3. Last thing this country needs is another religious nut case at the controls.
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central scrutinizer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 05:50 PM
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11. But she doesn't just play one on TV like Bushco, she is really a nutcase
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 05:58 PM
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21. Yep. This crazy is no Methodist! nt
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tomg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 06:22 PM
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41. Bingo. She is not throwing
red meat to the base. She is the base all grown up.
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GoesTo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 06:23 PM
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42. Do you think Bush's faith is 100% a put on?
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Rebellious Republican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 06:46 PM
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51. You tell us......
Yes W was supposedly saved long before this, you must remember this video.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM5YF2KvWeQ

What a good christian roll model, Pfft.

:eyes:
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 04:23 PM
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90. Yes. Billy Graham says the conversion W brags about never happened.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 04:26 PM
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94. Yes. 100%. No matter what outward rituals he partakes of.
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mcctatas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 05:46 PM
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4. Not only that...
if her church is anything like my in-laws, they have all kinds of anti-Catholic pamphlets around. I am an ex-Catholic, not because I got saved, just because I don't practice any religion anymore, my MIL gave me a handful of tracts from her church like "Lies of the Catholic Church" "The Path to Hell Runs Through Rome" etc... and was surprised that I took offense. Catholic bashing is big in these places.
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 05:57 PM
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118. all kinds of anti-Catholic pamphlets
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alsame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 05:47 PM
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5. She's already pissed off a lot of Catholics because of the
community organizer smears, this should be the last straw for more of them.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 04:27 PM
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95. The abortion issue trumps all.
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msallied Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 05:47 PM
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6. The Pentecostal thing will backfire on her big time.
Most people view that sect as nothing more than a bunch of kooks.
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 10:02 PM
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71. I agree - Look at what our local Pentacostal church did a few years ago..
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 04:24 PM
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92. Barely a cut above Rev. Fred Phelps of "God Hates Fags" fame.
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The Night Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 05:47 PM
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7. A very astute observation! Kick this to high fucking Heaven! {EOM}
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 06:33 AM
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81. .
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EmeraldCityGrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 05:49 PM
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8. Saw it...revolting. Her pastor claimed Alaska would be a shelter when the
end times come. That thousands would migrate to Alaska.

Hmmm...God must be a moose hunter.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 05:50 PM
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9. Paging the Catholic vote!
n/t
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Retrograde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 05:56 PM
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19. a lot of them are sadly one-issue voters
and Palin's rabidly anti-abortion. Pelosi's being called on the carpet about her pro-choice beliefs.

I think it's in Catholics best interest - as it is in all of ours - to stop this woman, but there's a very reactionary streak in Catholic leadership.
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Bad Thoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 06:24 PM
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43. Not necessarily the same issue
You're lumping Catholics together with others who vote religion. Many of them recognize the importance of economic issues in achieving their cultural objectives. Others are genuinely interested in justice.

Perhaps most importantly, some Catholics are strongly fed up with the religious right with regards to immigration. The wacko Minutemen and their kind went after the care that churches gave to immigrants, especially illegal immigrants. I don't think the wounds will heal soon.
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Retrograde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 06:55 PM
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56. I hope you're right
When I go back to visit my family in Buffalo I see a lot of emphasis on "Right to Life", and not so much, if anything, on other social issues. (Yes, raised Catholic. Left in part over status of women.) There are socially aware Catholics - like in other Christian sects - who try to live what they preach, but they're not getting the widespread attention. Nor are they telling their fellow Catholics how to vote.

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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 09:52 PM
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68. Are they now gonna call themselves "Babysaving Apostates For Palin"?
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 04:34 PM
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101. And a lot are also anti-war and anti-death penalty.
Not a monolithic bloc by any means, the Catholic vote.
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BlueIdaho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 05:50 PM
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10. Her spinners are going to get whiplash trying to explain this one away...
I love a good religious war -- don't you?
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Beregond2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 05:51 PM
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12. This is news to you?
To fundamentalists, the Catholic Church is "the whore of Babylon." And there is no one more anti-Catholic than a former one.
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Prefer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 05:56 PM
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18. No but now it is news to the nation!
It was reported on CNN. Mainstream media.
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nini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 05:52 PM
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13. Catholics did it right the first time.. no need to be SAVED
Edited on Mon Sep-08-08 06:15 PM by nini
:evilgrin:

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Parker CA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 05:55 PM
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16. CNN's piece tonight will open a lot of eyes to this crazy biatch!!
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nini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 06:16 PM
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33. welcome to DU
I can't wait to get off work to see that :D
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 05:53 PM
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14. Ooooh she's a Jack Chick kinda gal!
:scared:
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 05:53 PM
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15. There's an open disdain against other sects in The Assemblies of God churches
At least the one I used to attend. We were basically the only Christians that would be raptured. This almost tore my family apart at one point. I was so brainwashed I started spewing this shit to my own mother, a good and faithful Methodist for life and a true saint on earth, telling her she was going to Hell. It's a dangerous church. Burned half my album collection once too.
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ann_american2004 Donating Member (480 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 04:50 PM
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106. they're the only christian sect raptured?
That would explain why they only need Alaska for the end of days.
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abumbyanyothername Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 05:49 PM
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116. Mother Teresa died and went to heaven
St. Peter met her at the pearly gates and started showing her around. Over here we have the Hindus. "Oh how wonderful." Over here the Jews. Here the Buddhists. Here the Episcopealans, here the Methodists, the Luthern. Here yours and my favorites of course the Catholics.

Then Saint Peter lowered his voice to a whisper. You must be very, very quiet as we crest this little knoll of a cloud here. And try to stay out of sight. And there was a tiny congregation, all huddled closely together.

After a while of watching, Mother Teresa and Saint Peter left to explore other places. Once they were safely away from the secluded congregation Mother Teresa ventured to ask "Why did we have to be so quiet back there?"

Those are the Pentacostals and they think they're the only damn ones up here!
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ann_american2004 Donating Member (480 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 06:36 PM
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121. *chuckle* cute!
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abumbyanyothername Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 05:53 PM
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117. Mother Teresa died and went to heaven
St. Peter met her at the pearly gates and started showing her around. Over here we have the Hindus. "Oh how wonderful." Over here the Jews. Here the Buddhists. Here the Episcopealans, here the Methodists, the Luthern. Here yours and my favorites of course the Catholics.

Then Saint Peter lowered his voice to a whisper. You must be very, very quiet as we crest this little knoll of a cloud here. And try to stay out of sight. And there was a tiny congregation, all huddled closely together.

After a while of watching, Mother Teresa and Saint Peter left to explore other places. Once they were safely away from the secluded congregation Mother Teresa ventured to ask "Why did we have to be so quiet back there?"

Those are the Pentacostals and they think they're the only damn ones up here!
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 05:56 PM
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17. if you are not familar with AOG, my roommate in my first semester college was, and he
told me in no uncertain term that as a Jew I would be going to hell if I didn't accept their belief

fits right into the current republican philosophy
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Chimichurri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 04:35 PM
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103. Janeane Garofalo had it right when she'd refer to these people as
the American Taliban.

Before anyone gets their panties in a twist, how do you explain Palin's belief that we are doing God's work in Iraq by murdering who knows how many men, women and children, is any different then what the Taliban does?
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 05:58 PM
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20. Well, they've written off the Jewish vote, now the Catholic vote.
I'm wondering why I'm so nervous about this election.
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 05:59 PM
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22. I'm Catholic. Just about every born again I know indicates that
they were 'saved'. Meaning, that they came later in life to believe that Jesus was the Lord and Savior.

I say we tout the message that Catholics (as well as most Christians) got it right from the beginning and have been sitting at the Lord's table since they were baptized.
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goodgd_yall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 06:17 PM
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34. Lol! n/t
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 06:03 PM
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24. This is what I've been trying to tell my Catholic acquaintances who don't understand...
that most fundamentalist/evangelical types think Catholics are heathens for praying to saints.

Yes, by her getting re-baptized, it was a direct slap in the face to the Catholic faith.
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Beartracks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 06:36 PM
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46. True, they do. They don't get that saints are...
... not "worshipped" by Catholics. Praying to saints is just like asking your friends and family to pray for you, to pray to God on your behalf.
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 06:39 PM
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48. I had a 13-year-old fundie neighbor tell my SO...
(who is Catholic, from Wisconsin, and had not yet encountered a fundamentalist) that Catholics aren't Christian.

He nearly flipped out! LOLOL
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Beartracks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 08:27 PM
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62. Where *do* they get their information?
LOL That's pretty outlandish to have a kid tell you your religion is wrong. Some fundies need to pay more attention to the fundamentals, like learning facts:

1) Do Catholics believe in Christ as the Son of God and their as their Savior? Yes.

So...

2) Are Catholics Christian? Yes.

Also:

3) Can Catholics trace the lineage of popes all the way back to St. Peter the apostle, Christ's "rock" upon whom the Church was built? Yes!


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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 08:47 PM
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65. A funny story about that 13-year-old....
Before I knew the extent of their "beliefs," the 13-year-old sent my daughter a viral email.

My interpretation of it was that it was very political - so I was thrilled!!! It was questioning the government as far as 9/11 and various other things that, silly me, I interpreted as showing that she and her young friends were very interested and paying attention.

I sent her a kudos email.

Her response was something to the effect, "Well, uh, that really wasn't the point of that video. It was showing that the end times are upon us and I don't want anyone I know being left behind in the Rapture."

Oh.

:eyes:
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 12:14 PM
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85. I'm and atheist and *I* flipped out when a friend of my wife's said that! -nt
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 06:04 PM
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25. So, from what I read here, CNN has been doing their jobs lately...
regarding Palin and revealing these pertinent truths.

Does anyone know the viewership of CNN? Do more independents happen to watch that channel than the others, by any chance?

:)
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classof56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 06:09 PM
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26. Yes, that's exactly correct. To the RW evangelical fundies, Catholics are hell-bound
And no, they are not saved as the evangelica/fundamentalists define it. To be saved, one must recognize his/her sinful state, believe that Jesus died for sinners, confess one's sins, and ask Jesus into one's heart to become one's personal savior. Following the Lord in baptism has a variety of iterations (dunking, sprinkling, pouring water on the head), but it is not necessary to salvation. Catholics, as I understand it (married to a lapsed one) insist that unless one is baptized one cannot expect to enter heaven. Catholics do confessions to a priest, fundie/evangelicals don't believe in the middleman and go directly to God confessing their sins on a regular basis (right before one goes to sleep at night is best), ask for forgiveness and thus remain in good standing with God, but the state of the soul is secured once one is saved. Of course, there are differences of opinion amongst denominations--some believe ya gotta keep getting saved over and over, but it's all subject to how the scriptures are interpreted, and the reason for all those many, many denominations. Some of them insist that speaking in tongues is the manifestation of one's standing before God. I never bought into that, but the people who do really get into it. I can't say I've ever understood what all the babbling is about, but maybe it's just me.

It's all pretty convoluted and complicated and I've long since given up playing in the Christian apologetics game, but just thought I'd take a cut at explaining why, in Sarah Palin and her ilk's world, Catholics are not saved.

Blessings,

Tired Old Cynic/Former Long-Time Baptist
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 06:10 PM
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27. Spread the word.
I'm Catholic and I don't think this will go over well. :evilgrin:
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a la izquierda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 06:14 PM
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31. I'm going to see my very Catholic family
next week. I wonder what they'll think.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 06:12 PM
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28. I wonder who will NOT like this most...
The Assembly of God, or Catholic churches!


I was raised in an Assembly of God... before I was "saved" by seeing the hypocrisy... don't get me started!
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AngryOldDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 04:28 PM
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96. I too am a recoverving AoGogger....
That denomination turned me OFF organized religion.

I have noting good to say about it, either, but I think the word needs to get out to those Catholics who just love her, especially those who then turn around and spread the lie that Obama is Muslim -- a radical one at that.

Catholics have been cozying up to these fundie types for awhile and eventually I fear it is going to bite them in the ass. No tears nor wringing of hands from this corner.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 12:35 PM
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123. "That denomination turned me OFF organized religion"
If I had a dime for every time I uttered that phrase!

On the Catholics: I'm convinced that particular "religion of fear" was founded as, and has the sole purpose of, controlling people. Pure and simple. Every major discussion of political issues within that church revolves around the main purpose... fill the church with more and more people, scare the hell out of them with tales of the Devil, pass the collection plate, etc.

I know some very beautiful people who are Catholic... and I shudder to see the look of fear on their faces. And it's there. The most intelligent of them will blame a bad day on missing the last mass or confession.

Show me one scripture where Jesus says we're to force God's laws upon everyone else. And this whole preparation of Alaska for Armageddon is a load of bull too! The Bible I read said that no man knows the day or hour of Christ's return, or any other "end times" events. As far as I can tell, God didn't want us to prepare anything at all, and not to look back or run back for the things you think you will need.

As you can see, I've not forgotten:) I'm Agnostic, thanks to the AoG, but even me, with what I consider to be a sound and open mind, I'm still affected by what they did to me. And don't get me started on my friend who dropped out of the Catholic Seminary! Jaysus, Mehry and JOHsuph! (Irish Catholic influence) That guy is going to be dealing with that bogus BS until the day he leaves this Earth.

What people do in the name of God is surely a sin.

I better stop now:) Good to see another in recovery!
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jasmeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 06:13 PM
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29. At least there's lots of video of her bein crazy at church- we
didnt really have that with *
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 06:13 PM
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30. Do you hear that, oh ye mighty Catholics of Ohio and Pennsylvania and Michigan?
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 06:19 PM
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38. I informed two Catholic families in PA of these facts today! :) n/t
I don't think they'd vote Obama, so my hope is that they'll stay home. :)
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 06:14 PM
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32. oh, that'll play well in Scranton...
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 06:17 PM
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35. I hope this comes up in the debate so that Biden can KICK ASS! nt
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southerncrone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 10:49 PM
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76. Especially since he's CATHOLIC!
Now it's personal!
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 06:44 AM
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82. .
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2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 06:17 PM
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36. You must be new to evangelical Christianity
No, most of the evangelicals and fundamentalist Christians in America do not consider Catholics to be "saved." Show me a Christian church in the United States with a predominantly conservative membership, and I'll show you a theology which states that for several specific reasons (veneration of Mary, submission to the Pope, confessing sins through a priest, prayer to the saints, worship of the Eucharist, among others), Catholics are on their way to hell.

P.S.: I'm just gonna get this out of the way in advance, so I don't have to edit my post: I'm not saying I believe Catholics are not "saved." I'm saying that most conservative Christians don't believe they are.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 06:17 PM
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37. Catholics are not Christian. They are the false Church.
That's a basic tenet on fundamentalist dogma!

BTW, they also think that mainstream Protestant denominations are the dead churches that the Book of Revelations warned about.
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Patiod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 06:45 PM
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49. But most Catholics don't know this
I actually got a pretty good Comparitive Religions instruction in CCD (Sunday school for public-school Catholic kids), but they really didnt' spend a lot of time on Protestants.

Catholics DON'T KNOW about the "rapture"
They don't know what "End Times" is
and they don't know that fundies don't consider them Christian (!)
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 10:48 PM
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75. Perhaps it is because Nero was the biblical 666, and there is no basis for Rapture
anywhere in the Bible. Let's remember that the obscure Paul verse often referred to as alluding to a "rapture" (a name never once used in the Bible) comes from the same pen that adviced his followers to not marry for the end was near.
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Patiod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 08:20 AM
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83. All the more reason they don't believe anyone else believes it
Not only do they not accept it, but I can't convince my friends and family ANYONE believes it.

They thought I was being "typical anti-Bush" 4 years ago, and demanded written proof that he beleives something that farfetched.

The abortion thing is right there in front of them. The End Times thing requires education, so good luck with that.
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abumbyanyothername Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 05:58 PM
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119. adviced his followers to not marry for the end was near.
Good advice, bad rationale?
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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 04:35 PM
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102. I don't think fundamentalists know about the rapture either.

Like the fact that the rapture concept was invented 150 years ago by a girl in Scotland who claimed to have prophetic visions. Prior to that no such concept existed.


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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 05:15 PM
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114. Farewell to the Rapture
Your post reminded of something I ran across on the internet a while back:

Farewell to the Rapture

N.T. Wright, Bible Review, August 2001. Reproduced by permission of the author)

Little did Paul know how his colorful metaphors for Jesus’ second coming would be misunderstood two millennia later.

The American obsession with the second coming of Jesus — especially with distorted interpretations of it — continues unabated. Seen from my side of the Atlantic, the phenomenal success of the Left Behind books appears puzzling, even bizarre<1>. Few in the U.K. hold the belief on which the popular series of novels is based: that there will be a literal “rapture” in which believers will be snatched up to heaven, leaving empty cars crashing on freeways and kids coming home from school only to find that their parents have been taken to be with Jesus while they have been “left behind.” This pseudo-theological version of Home Alone has reportedly frightened many children into some kind of (distorted) faith.

This dramatic end-time scenario is based (wrongly, as we shall see) on Paul’s First Letter to the Thessalonians, where he writes: “For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a shout of command, with the voice of an archangel and the trumpet of God. The dead in Christ will rise first; then we, who are left alive, will be snatched up with them on clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and so we shall always be with the Lord” (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17).

What on earth (or in heaven) did Paul mean?

<snip>

Paul’s description of Jesus’ reappearance in 1 Thessalonians 4 is a brightly colored version of what he says in two other passages, 1 Corinthians 15:51-54 and Philippians 3:20-21: At Jesus’ “coming” or “appearing,” those who are still alive will be “changed” or “transformed” so that their mortal bodies will become incorruptible, deathless. This is all that Paul intends to say in Thessalonians, but here he borrows imagery—from biblical and political sources—to enhance his message. Little did he know how his rich metaphors would be misunderstood two millennia later.

http://www.ntwrightpage.com/Wright_BR_Farewell_Rapture.htm
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 04:58 PM
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109. Because they taught us that the book of Revelations has already passed.
The descriptors in the book match well with the empires world at the time of it's writing.

The beasts were all empires or so I recall.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 06:19 PM
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39. Is this the report?
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/09/08/yellin.palin.faith.cnn

"Examining Palin's faith 1:41
Sarah Palin's ties to the Pentecostal denomination come under scrutiny. CNN's Jessica Yellin reports."
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Prefer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 06:30 PM
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45. Thanks for the VIDEO LINK for CONFIRMATION and EMAILING!
Edited on Mon Sep-08-08 06:45 PM by Prefer
It was that, but it had Blitzer on the outside reporting that she was born Catholic

Put 2 and 2 together...
She was catholic until she got SAVED at Wasilla.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 06:22 PM
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40. According to those people
Catholics aren't even Christian. (Ignoring of course, all church history as inconvenient...)

They'd already begun pissing Catholics off with their nonsense about community organizing. Hopefully this gets around, too.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 06:27 PM
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44. ZOD is not pleased with either of these Religions

But he is happy that Palin's weak earthly religionist beliefs just opened a can of worms.
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PM7nj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 06:38 PM
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Oh lovely! That will play well in PA!
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 06:38 PM
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47. You'd think catholics would learn
these people are not their friends.
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 06:46 PM
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50. K and R
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marlakay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 06:48 PM
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52. those type of churches really do believe they are the only
ones. I went to those kind of churches for about 7 years in my early 20's 30 yrs ago and its like that, speaking in tongues, them telling you how to vote, when to get married and have kids, (oh they don't outwardly say it but it is implied heavily) and they make you believe its the last days and because of that nothing else matters, they pull scriptures out of revelations and other places and twist stuff all around including things happening in the world to support their views.

All other religions are wrong except the ones that believe close to them. they firmly believe you have to be saved and baptized in the holy spirit and if you are not you will go to hell.

They used to have me scared to death. It took many many years to get over this and I still have trouble with fear and guilt.

They lay guilt and fear on very very heavy, that is how they control you.

But...at the same time everyone is friendly and loves you. I know that sounds weird but in the church itself its members are like a huge family and very very close.

Its like being covered in a warm womb to be a part of it so you don't seem to mind when they say outlandish things.

I finally escaped in my 30's tried some more normal churches but the whole experience messed me up so much I quit going to any the last 8 yrs.
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cjsmom44 Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 06:52 PM
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55. RE: Yup I agree
Edited on Mon Sep-08-08 06:54 PM by cjsmom44
I also was heavily influence by those sicko churches growing up....rigid black and white thinking...filled with hate for those who are NOT SAVED....My parent even told me that I would go to hell if I didn't go to church with them...well I still call myself a Christian but I escaped and became one of those damn liberals they hated....
:hippie:
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Hansel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 06:49 PM
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53. The McCain campaign statement glossed over her 25 yrs
in the Pentecostal Church basically saying she was baptized a Catholics and joined the non-denominational church she is attending now. No mention of the church she attended most of her life. Clearly the Pentecostal Church is a vulnerability.

And if the religious right is attracted to her because of her more extreme religious affiliations, wouldn't this glossing over of her membership in the Pentecostal Church be seen as a slight?

Also I love the statement where they clarified that what she was saying about God being on our side in the Iraq War. Paraphrasing: "What she really meant to say is she HOPES God is on our side." Yeah, right. That's exactly what she meant. :sarcasm:
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Miss Chybil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 06:50 PM
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54. It seems a lot of Evangelicals don't believe Catholics are Christian.
If they would simply take a history class, any history class - Art History, World History - they might figure out that Catholics were the first Christians. I don't know how this ignorance keeps propagating. It must be a Republican thing.
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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 04:45 PM
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105. Catholics weren't the only first Christians.

On day one there were about as many sects as their were apostles. Most of those were absorbed, died off, or wiped out.

When the Catholic Church sent representatives to convert the Khan they were astonished to learn that he was already a Christian. Turns out at least one apostle, Nestor, headed East instead of West. So while the Roman Catholic Church was being created in Europe and the Mediterranean, a whole other sect of Christianity with no direct lineage from the RC church was being established in distant Asia.


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chatnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 06:58 PM
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57. K&R
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Undercurrent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 07:01 PM
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58. We must do all we can to rip the hide off this creature!
Just like we must get the word out to Jews about Palin's association with Jews for Jesus, we must let Catholics know about her thinking about Catholicism!

I encourage you all to gather all your email addresses, and start sending out mass emailings telling both Jews and Catholics what this rabidly fundy woman really thinks!

OK. I'm off to blast out some emails.
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CatsDogsBabies Donating Member (652 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 07:10 PM
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59. She was rebaptized. I looked this up the other day because I was
curious. I am Catholic so I was wondering.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 07:12 PM
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60. I'll believe it when I see the paper trail.
Parish, priest, date, certificate, parents' certificates, godparents, maybe photos.
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 07:31 PM
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61. My uber-Catholic (I call them fundie Catholic) parents STILL love her. They don't care.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 08:29 PM
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63. this doesn't make Catholics happy
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 08:43 PM
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64. Anyone have the link, transcript or video of this?
Would love to have it....
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Chloroplast Donating Member (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 09:10 PM
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66. As a Catholic, I have to deal with ignorant people all the time.
Evangelicals LOVE to tell me I'm not a Christian and that I 'worship' statues. Pfft. This little tidbit about getting 'saved' will get traction; it just remains to be seen whether the GOP cuts all ties with Catholic groups or backpedals.
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ccharles000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 09:55 PM
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69. kick
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PaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 10:01 PM
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70. How is this a game changer?
I sure hope we aren't counting on this to swing things around. This will have no impact whatsoever.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 10:08 PM
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74. May not be a game changer, but it'll piss Catholics off.
Catholics have issues with people leaving their church to be "saved" by another.
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Prefer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 10:54 PM
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77. It may get people to look a little deeper, instead of blindly swallowing the lies
some people would not think twice about her, I know a lot of ladies that just saw the surface of her.

but you better believe they won't like this one but. This is offensive. Some of these cult religions are predatory, like Rev Moon.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 10:03 PM
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72. Wow, that is going to turn off a lot of Catholic voters.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 10:04 PM
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73. This is really cool because ecumenism really sucks
Edited on Mon Sep-08-08 10:04 PM by mitchum
when the sects fight amongst themselves, they may forget we heathen
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 05:34 AM
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79. K & R
:kick:
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 05:41 AM
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80. k&r
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 11:51 AM
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84. Marx would say she snorted until she started mainlining.
I have to give Christianity some credit for figuring out, thousands of years ago, how to appeal to right-wing authoritarians. In Christian myth, change, which conservatives fear most, is literally the end of the world!

For the record, I think Marx was a fool, too.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 04:16 PM
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86. NO, NO, NO! Once you are baptized Catholic you ARE Catholic forever in the eyes of many
and all she has to do to go to Catholic heaven is receive absolution on her death bed. I wrote about this in a recent journal. Republicans posing as Catholics are already using this on Catholic forums to try to paint Palin are really one of them (and Biden as really a non-Catholic) so that McCain can court the Catholic vote.

Do not be fooled, guys. Do not try to exploit this issue. It will back fire.

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JackintheGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 04:18 PM
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87. According to Catholics
I'm going to hell, even if I believe in Jesus. I also believe in a vernacular bible and salvation through works. So I guess I'll be working for the devil and learning Satanian.

Every religious fundy believes this, whatever their religion. Whatever the stripe, every other stripe is going to hell. This is no story.
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RollWithIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 04:32 PM
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99. That's categorically false.... Catholic priests do not say that
Just pointing that out, find me a modern day quote from a Catholic diocese member stating non catholics are going to hell.
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Kingofalldems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 04:53 PM
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107. You are totally wrong
Went to Catholic school for many years, I was never taught that. In fact we were taught that following one's conscience was sufficient.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 05:03 PM
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112. Not really.
Try asking a Catholic Priest next time.

They're not all pedophiles either FYI...not even the greater majority....not even a small minority. Just a very small minority of f***ed sexual predators.
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JackintheGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 01:41 PM
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124. Okay
How 'bout I ask my uncle, Monsignor in Boston, or his brother, a Jesuit priest. Or any member of my wife's Polish catholic family. They all love me, but have no hope of seeing me in heaven.

Or maybe I could just go to catholic mass, where I am denied the Eucharist because I am not baptized Catholic. No Eucharist, no heaven.

Look, I am just expressing a view from my very real experience. Many of the older "ethnic" catholics I know here in Philadelphia are still upset about Vatican II. I know what the official line in the Catholic church is. I also know that Jesus taught "whatsoever you do to the least among you, you do unto me." These are just words. Belief is meaningless without action.

And I believe all three of you respondents to my post as well. Your experiences are undoubtedly different. But please give me the same respect. I didn't pull my post out of my ass.

Best/
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 04:20 PM
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88. Too much disinformation in the press and on this board. Forget her "roots". She is a RR Fundie.
That is all we should talk about. Start talking about her baptism and Team McCain will use it as an excuse to talk about Obama's Muslim roots and their weird apostate theory.

Look, there are going to be Freeper moles all over this board trying to get us to start pissing off Catholics by saying that because she was baptized Catholic and now goes to another church that makes her a sinner. This is just not the case. All it makes her is a Catholic who needs to go to confession and receive absolution really badly. She is still one of them.

So, do not go there!
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 04:20 PM
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89. delete-duplicate
Edited on Tue Sep-09-08 04:21 PM by McCamy Taylor
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yellerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 04:26 PM
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93. Kick!!!
Get the word out. All people of faith will rightly be offended and that can't happen soon enough.
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RollWithIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 04:30 PM
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I have a cousin I grew up with, lives in Cali now... saw him a year ago... he's a fundie now
Hadn't seen him for five years. He proceeded to explain to me that I needed to "get saved" and renounce catholicism or else I was going to hell. I asked him the obvious question, "So only born agains get to go to heaven?" He replied yes. I said, "So all of the billions of people on this earth who aren't Pentecostal Born Agains don't get to go to heaven?" He said yes again.

I told him I didn't think I wanted to spend eternity like that. lol
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RollWithIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 04:30 PM
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97. I have a cousin I grew up with, lives in Cali now... saw him a year ago... he's a fundie now
Hadn't seen him for five years. He proceeded to explain to me that I needed to "get saved" and renounce catholicism or else I was going to hell. I asked him the obvious question, "So only born agains get to go to heaven?" He replied yes. I said, "So all of the billions of people on this earth who aren't Pentecostal Born Agains don't get to go to heaven?" He said yes again.

I told him I didn't think I wanted to spend eternity like that. lol
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 04:32 PM
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98. K & R
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 04:33 PM
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100. McCain didn't realize that he got Hagee's little sister
It would be something else if they find some tapes with her Pastor and Hagee.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 04:36 PM
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104. That's EXACTLY what it means.
Being Catholic, I've had run-ins with 'saved' Christians who looked their noses down at the Catholic faith; they do not consider Catholics 'christians'. So yes, this is true.

Catholicism is some sort of un-christian religion to them; just as the Jewish, Muslim or any other faith that doesn't require being 'saved'.
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leapinggnome Donating Member (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 04:54 PM
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108. K & R definitely....anything
to besmirch Sarah Palin and her character...lack thereof...whatever.

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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 04:59 PM
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110. Cool! So was I!!
Oh... except she's still a Christian..

Nevermind...

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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 05:11 PM
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113. well, Seventh-Day Adventists believe the Catholic Church is the Church of Satan
and the Papacy is the Anti-Christ forseen in the end times. Having grown up in that ridiculous church, when I explain to others what Adventists and their warped ilk believe, they understand why I became an atheist.

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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 05:28 PM
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115. There Goes the Catholic Vote!
Edited on Tue Sep-09-08 05:30 PM by fascisthunter
How many Catholics are there in America?
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 06:05 PM
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120. They should talk that up in very Catholic places like PA....
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Liberalynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 01:45 PM
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126. self delete
Edited on Thu Sep-11-08 02:04 PM by Liberalynn

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