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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 01:11 PM
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Cleaning up the MSM "Hillary voter" myths
Edited on Tue Sep-09-08 01:50 PM by Kurt_and_Hunter
A national poll comes out saying white women support one guy or another. People say, "those are Hillary voters."

Not true. Hillay didn't have 100% support among white women. She didn't even have 50% support among white women! White people are a Republican group. No Democrat has won the white vote since LBJ. Reagan won white women in 1984 when the Dems had a female VP.

We saw so much polling during the primaries that some talking heads lost track of the fact those primary polls were of Democrats! They didn't include the Republican half of white women.

There is usually a gender gap with women being somewhat more Democratic, but since the total of white voters goes Republican it seems unlikely that white women are a reliable Dem cohort. Women are, yes, but not specifically white women. White women are a swing block. When Dems win white women we tend to win.

Since roughly half of white women are pugs it shouldn't be a shock that a bunch of white Republican women would want to vote for a white Republican woman.

I suspect that many of the women moving to McCain are anti-choice, very religious independents who were NEVER Hillary voters, and some probably liked Obama better than Hillary because he is more overtly religious. (And didn't have her FOX news 1990s rep as a crazy liberal baby-killer.)

Recall that throughout the primaries Obama usually won independents handily and Hillary did a little better among registered Democrats. The Hillary voter was not an anti-choice highly-religious independent or republican at all.

So why will some Hillary voters vote for McCain? The answer is the real point of this post...

Some registered Democrats who voted for Hillary will vote for McCain because they always vote Republican in presidential elections. Some people voted for Hillary in the primaries whose voting pattern since 1972 looks like this: NIXON, CARTER, REAGAN, REAGAN, BUSH41, CLINTON, CLINTON, GORE/BUSH43 (split), BUSH43.

They are Reagan Democrats and are called that for a reason. They are roughly 8-10% of registered Democrats and are the same Dems who didn't vote for Kerry.

Instead of asking why those people will vote for McCain, the real question (which has been the hot topic in Democratic strategic circles for quite some time) is why they voted for Bill Clinton, and liked him enough that their trust in the name was transferable into some primary votes for Hillary.

There's little point in being frustrated wondering why those folks won't vote for Obama. They were never going to. They didn't vote for Kerry or Dukakis. The half of them who voted for Gore in 2000 did so because he was Bill Clinton's pick. And those of them who voted for Hillary in 2008 did so because she is Bill Clinton's wife.

CONCLUSION: It's not surprising that a lot of white women will vote for McCain because they are WHITE women. And some Hillary voters were Reagan Dems who always vote pug in presidential years unless someone named "Clinton" is on the ballot.

So I don't see any notable problem among "Hillary voters." Obama will get 99% of the Hillary voters who favor liberal policies. Almost all the feminists will vote for Obama. Almost all the Reagan Dems will vote for McCain. And that was always how it was going to go down.



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denem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 01:23 PM
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1. Sadly, Gore had the 'Reagan Democrats' in his back pocket
Edited on Tue Sep-09-08 01:24 PM by lamprey
if he had run on the record of the Clinton Administration, not run away from it. I always thought something like 'Don't go back to Bush' could have been a great campaign theme.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 01:48 PM
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2. Republican boogey man. Gore didn't seem to believe the polls (that Clinton was popular)
Everyone was afraid of the Clenis except the voters.
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