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bigdarryl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 08:48 PM
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Obama needs to go through very very tough debate practices
Hes a very good speaker but debates isn't his strong suit. He needs to go through a lot of practice with someone whos a good debater before he goes into that first debate.
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wanpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 08:52 PM
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1. I would like to see him give tighter, more concise answers. As unfortunate as it is, we live in a
soundbite world. He can have wonderful thoughts and answers, but the media will not promote the entirety of his thoughts, they only go to the 10 second soundbite. I hope that he will work on this component of his replies.
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Shanti Mama Donating Member (625 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 08:55 PM
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4. Agreed. I had a difficult time watching him with Olberman.
Too wordy. Not pithy. Seemed vague. I believe he will have one-line beginnings for every conceivable question. Then he'll dig in a bit. I'm sure he's being coached extensively.
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 08:57 PM
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8. So did I.
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texastoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 08:52 PM
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2. Hmm
Law school? What was his focus in law school?
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 09:01 PM
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12. law school doesn't really prepare you to
be an effective debater in a Presidential debate...
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texastoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 09:05 PM
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16. Depends
He was chair of law review, and in order to get there, he likely will have gone through moot court and mock trials which is all about debate and arguing.

In both of those classes, you have time to prepare based on your cases. I think he's had time to prepare for the arguments he will face. He knows the issues.



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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 09:33 PM
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20. Not really relevant to what he needs to do in a Presidential debate.
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texastoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 09:36 PM
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23. How so? n/t
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 11:08 PM
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25. b/c the argument tends to be nuanced and long-winded
Edited on Tue Sep-09-08 11:09 PM by woolldog
and intellectual and your audience is usually very intelligent.

The opposite of what he needs to be in the debates, imo.

I mean yeah, it's public speaking experience. But Obama has plenty of that and is comfortable speaking publicly. His style needs to be tweaked for the debates though.
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texastoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 06:58 AM
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31. Tweaking wouldn't hurt
Everyone has room for improvement. Legal arguments are in front of juries of common folks. Good lawyers are masters of taking apart something complex and making it understandable for non-legal people. What is important in debate is to be able to do it very quickly. Since Obama has been so smart to really learn and understand the issues by surrounding himself with brilliant people, I think he should do okay. He just needs to let his love shine through so that people get that he is fighting for THEM.

I wonder if McBombBomb will have an earbud feed.
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Beregond2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 08:54 PM
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3. Two thoughts:
1. There won't be any real debates; just Q & A.
2. I wonder if his weak performance on Olbermann was a deliberate ploy to make the other side underestimate him?
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maseman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 08:56 PM
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5. Jack Kennedy
WHen President Kennedy would prepare for a debate he and his group would write 100 of the anticipated questions on note cards and he would practice the answers ad nauseum. That is why he was such a great debater.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 08:57 PM
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6. And, he needs to get ALL his advice from this board....
Edited on Tue Sep-09-08 08:58 PM by cliffordu
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Shine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 08:57 PM
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9. LOL! Hilarious.
:rofl:
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 09:04 PM
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13. you know what,
Edited on Tue Sep-09-08 09:04 PM by woolldog
the public is the ultimate arbiter of these things. People on DU are giving FEEDBACK. And since it is the public at large who decides who the winner is and what attacks are effective etc, then the FEEDBACK given here is not worthless....especially when pretty much everyone agrees that his answers need to be tighter and more to the point.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 09:07 PM
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18. PROVIDED:
That anyone with the campaign actually reads any of this drivel (Including mine....No, especially mine).


I have my doubts that any self respecting campaign professional would have the time to skim the boards looking for direction. Particulary a campaign as smart as Obama's.
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 09:29 PM
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19. I hope that if people have genuine criticisms,
they're passing them on to the campaign as well as posting them here. But there's no harm in discussing our impressions.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 09:35 PM
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21. You're right - there's no harm in that. No matter how stupid they may be.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 11:34 PM
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27. "Particulary a campaign as smart as Obama's."
Oh - you're serious...!!!

yeah the campaign that decides to WAIT while mccain has virtual MOMOPOLY on all ads during the dem convention, and we were told to - wait - you'll see - then we got - all mccain adds during the repuke convention with almost NO obama ads...

and after the conventions - STILL hardly any obama adds but sure almost a mccain ad every half hour or more!!!

yeah - great campaign strategy so far...

oh - and not to forget that mccain has managed to bring about an obama 10 point or more lead to now a mccain lead...
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 11:47 PM
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28. OMFG!!!!1!1 ! ! ! ! ! 1111 YOU NEED TO CALL THEM RIGHT NOW AND
BLOW THEM WITH YOUR EXPERTISE!!1!!1!!

i'M SERIES!11!!


OMFG!111!1
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 09:05 PM
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15. +1
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 08:57 PM
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7. Have you fucking seen McCain Debate?

Bullshit bigdarryl, sorry bro , Bullshit!
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wanpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 09:01 PM
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11. I don't doubt that McSame is terrible. However, * was awful too. It's a matter of perception.
considering that he will probably have failin palin joined to his hip, Obama has got to come hard and fast. All it will take is for McSame to have a few "good one liners" and he's "won" the debate. Just keeping it real. Obama cannot be law professor in these debates. He's got to talk to the people. He can do it. But I do think it is something he needs to practice, and practice a lot. No one is above improving.
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Kdillard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 08:58 PM
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10. Yep because this is something we can control.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 09:04 PM
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14. Oh gawd.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 09:05 PM
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17. yes i'm sure Obama is kicking back and not preparing at all. You get an armchair
campaign manager medal of valor.
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 07:11 AM
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34. LOL.
:thumbsup:

:rofl:
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 09:35 PM
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22. Lowering expectations......
is a smart strategy, if you ask me.
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orwell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 09:39 PM
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24. Well this guy works for him...
...I'm sure he could help the O man out...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austin_Goolsbee

As a high school student at Milton Academy, a New England preparatory school, Goolsbee became one of the most decorated competitive speakers in the nation. In 1987, he became the first extemporaneous speaking competitor to go through an entire year of competitions placing only first. This included winning the NCFL national championship in extemporaneous speaking for the second time and winning the National Forensics League's national championship in international extemporaneous speaking as well as placing second in the nation in original oratory.

As a student at Yale he debated on the APDA circuit. In 1990 he and partner Dahlia Lithwick were runners up for National Debate Team of the Year. He and partner John Wertheim placed second at the national championship. In 1991, he and partner David Gray were the National Debate Team of the Year. Goolsbee finished as the third best speaker at the World Debate Championships in Toronto. He later served as coach to the M.I.T. debate team and the University of Chicago debate society, as well as being active in the annual Great Latke-Hamantash Debate.

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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 11:10 PM
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26. I tend to agree. I thought Hillary was much better in debates, but of course McCain is no Hillary
but I do think that he really needs to prepare, but not over prepare. He can't come across as too programmed either. I think he needs to be relaxed and take a couple of days off the campaign trail before hand.
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 12:20 AM
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29. Agreed. He didn't prepare for the Faith Forum because Axelrod...
or some official who was asked, said he didn't have to prepare or practice because he'd answered so many questions about faith so many times. But, IMO, that doesn't get it. The question is what message do you want to get out, in a particular place, at a particular time, to a particular audience -- no matter the questions asked. And not just do you have an answer; how best do you answer any question clearly, concisely, strongly, and memorably?
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 12:20 AM
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30. Sorry -- "buggy" double post.
Edited on Wed Sep-10-08 12:21 AM by DeepModem Mom
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 07:04 AM
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32. Agreed. 1. Give short answer 2. Expound upon it. 3. Repeat short answer to conclude
He's got to stop this bad habit of wandering around for 30 seconds before giving an answer to the question asked. Give the answer, dammit! Then explain it.

"Well, Bill, I think my prior positions on that subject make clear that I've reviewed the past several years of military actions, and based upon that and my meetings with generals and other advisors ....zzzzz."
--- that kind of answer does not satisfy the undecided voters

"I still want to withdraw all troops within 16 months, that's what the Iraqis want, and that's what the American people want."
--- BOOM! That's it. Say it, stop trying to explain it ad nauseam.
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secondwind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 07:10 AM
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33. maybe Obama and Joe should debate each other in their free time
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