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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 06:04 AM
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"Forty years ago, John McCain learned a bit about honor, while suffering for his country"
Edited on Wed Sep-10-08 06:06 AM by Teaser
"so it is a great tragedy that only 2 months on the campaign trail has caused him to forget it all."
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 06:06 AM
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1. Who are you quoting?
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 06:07 AM
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2. unfortunately, only me.
I don't like posts that say "Obama say this" or "Obama do this", so I thought I'd just throw this out there.
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 07:13 AM
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7. That'd be a terrible framing. "A bit?"
Makes it sound like the treatment by the NVA was just a bit nasty.

(Mind you, I wouldn't show much mercy to a POW who'd tried to incinerate my family either, but you get my point.)
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 07:16 AM
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8. then how about:
"John McCain says he learned something about honor..."

You still have to minimize his honor somehow, without seeming like it.
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 07:23 AM
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9. "John McCain says he learned about honor."
It still minimizes his honor without coming out and minimizing it, methinks.
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 06:07 AM
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3. he sank a ship
and used his father's name to get preferential medical treatment

was that what you meant?
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 06:22 AM
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4. He crashed about 4 planes and made over 30 propaganda films
for the enemy.

His torture is now used and classified by the US Army as enhanced interrogation techniques. He was never tortured according to the legislation he has voted into law.
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 06:27 AM
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5. you gotta ease people into the truth
unfortunately, it's real difficult just to spit truth at people. Cognitive dissonance makes them ignore it. They've been hearing their whole life what a great hero John McCain is.


So, minimize what McCain did in Vietnam (hence the "bit" about honor). And totally desecrate him for what he is today.
Then, as people accept this, start letting more and more truth out.
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Thothmes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 12:17 PM
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12. That did not answer the question, you claimed he sunk a ship
which one. What was its name.
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Thothmes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 07:11 AM
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6. Which ship did he sink?
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 07:37 AM
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11. The Forrestal. One of the Five planes mcPOW crashed sank the ship. Killed 132+.
Edited on Wed Sep-10-08 07:38 AM by tekisui
In June 1967, Forrestal departed Norfolk for duty in waters off Vietnam. In the Gulf of Tonkin on 29 July, Forrestal had been launching aircraft from her flight deck. For four days, the planes of Attack Carrier Air Wing 17 flew about 150 missions against targets in North Vietnam from the ship.
Rupertus (DD-851) maneuvers to within 20 feet of Forrestal so fire hoses could be effectively used on the worst fire aboard a U.S. carrier.
Rupertus (DD-851) maneuvers to within 20 feet of Forrestal so fire hoses could be effectively used on the worst fire aboard a U.S. carrier.

Because of a shortage of thousand-pound bombs, old Composition B bombs had been loaded from the ammunition ship USS Diamond Head, instead of safer H6, capable of withstanding high heat or exploding with low order. About 10:50 (local time), a Zuni rocket fired from an F-4 Phantom II by an electrical power surge hit an A-4 Skyhawk getting ready to launch, piloted by Lt. Cmdr. John McCain. The missile struck and knocked off the aircraft's fuel tank and started a fire. With his aircraft surrounded by flames, John McCain escaped from his jet by climbing out of the *censored*pit, walking down the nose, and jumping off the refueling probe. Video tape shot aboard the Forrestal shows McCain narrowly escaping the explosion<1>.

One minute and thirty-four seconds after the impact, the "Comp. B" bomb exploded underneath McCain's plane, starting a major fire which threatened to destroy the ship. The two A-4s ahead of McCain's plane were engulfed in the flaming JP-5 jet fuel spewing from them. A bomb dropped to the deck, rolled about 6 feet (2 m) and came to rest in a pool of burning fuel.

Nine major explosions on the flight deck occurred; eight of those were caused by the "Comp. B" bombs and the other occurred between an old and a new bomb. The explosions left large holes in the flight deck, causing the jet fuel to drain into the interior of the ship, causing massive fires in the stern (rear) section. The fire left 132 Forrestal crewmen dead, 62 more injured, and two missing and presumed dead. The ship returned to Norfolk for extensive repairs. During the post-fire refit, the ship's 5" guns were removed.

http://www.blah3.com/article.php?story=20070122183950855
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Thothmes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 12:22 PM
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13. USS Forrestal did not sink.
She was decommissioned in Sept 93 and is currently at Philidelphia being prepared to be sunk as a reef.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 12:33 PM
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16. You're right, it was just a fire, with the deaths, but no sinking.
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DeadEyeDyck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 12:23 PM
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14. I toured the Forrestal in Mayport, Fl
when I was a kid. I think it was about 1989.
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ncteechur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 07:33 AM
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10. Funny how he forgot it all. He's a crook and a liar.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 12:26 PM
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15. Vietnamese are no longer being killed by American bombs
Vietnam was a war hatched with lies!

The Vietnamese people are now free of foreign domination, and are prospering.

McCain, who often referred to Vietnamese as "gooks," is possessed by his inner demons.
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