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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 01:19 PM
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Do we realy want to go near: "she voted for it before she voted against it?"
After all, this was one of the things that Kerry was mocked about in 2004..

This is a phrase that, when you ask someone about it Kerry's name would pop up.
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Curtland1015 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 01:20 PM
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1. You're right! It could ruin Kerry's chances of becoming president!
:P
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d_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 01:22 PM
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3. lol. I say use it.
People still remember that line, and yea, they may think of Kerry...but it also shows GOP hypocrisy.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 01:26 PM
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8. Same here
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 01:22 PM
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5. LOL.....
Edited on Wed Sep-10-08 01:22 PM by 1corona4u
That's what I was thinking...water under the bridge.
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jdlh8894 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 01:33 PM
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13. What bridge? n/t
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ContinentalOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 01:22 PM
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2. Yeah, that annoys me.
Edited on Wed Sep-10-08 01:23 PM by ContinentalOp
We should be the party that can accept a change of mind. The winning tactic would be to just point out that "she supported the bridge to nowhere." Period. No need to say that she theoretically doesn't support it now. SHE WAS IN FAVOR OF THE BRIDGE TO NOWHERE.

It's the position that's the issue, not the "flip flop." A flip flop may be bad on an issue where public opinion is split but something that is this cut-and-dry WRONG, you just need to point out that she supported it.
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Labors of Hercules Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 01:22 PM
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4. hell yes we want to go near it, beside it, ON it and ALL OVER it!
:applause:
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 01:23 PM
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6. Sure, why not? So what if Kerry's name pops up.
It worked then, it can work now. And having the image of Kerry, who was badly swiftboated by the strategy, come up, it will make them think "failure".
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 01:24 PM
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7. You know what they say - payback is a
motherfucker!:evilgrin:
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ericgtr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 01:27 PM
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9. It's mostly the MSM making the claim Obama is just driving it home
Kerry didn't have the press pushing it.
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azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 01:29 PM
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10. I think it's the perfect thing to do.
It throws that stupid phrase right back in the Reps miserable faces. It's one they'll understand.
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 01:30 PM
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11. Yup. I agree.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 01:33 PM
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15. Yup, yup. Hammer away
Especially with the "You guys remember that one?".

Turn all of their juvenile garbage back on them.

BRING THEM DOWN!!!
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 01:41 PM
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21. Will they?
Like they would understand that if a Democratic politician has a pregnant teen it proved the depravity of Democrats, but if it is a Republican one, it praises the sanctity of life...
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azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 01:45 PM
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24. The Reps aren't fooling anyone including themselves.
Do you really think they CARE if a teenage girl has a baby or not?
It's just something they can use for political advantage and they will always try to spin that advantage for themselves.
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 01:33 PM
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12. Given that Kerry himself used it in his convention speech, sure. n/t
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 01:38 PM
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19. Oh, I did not watch Kerry's appearance (nt)
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 01:40 PM
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20. That line got him the biggest appaluse: "Talk about voting for it
before voting against it."
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 01:33 PM
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14. After Kerry himself poked fun at the line, himself, I'd say let's go there.
It's not like Kerry's actual statement from 2004 was incorrect, just a bit inartfully worded.

To this day, I think the "for it before I voted against" business was one of those mass-hysteria things about which the Democrats should've more forcefully called "bullshit." Kerry's point was that he was ok with funding the military operation, he just wanted it paid for with appropriate tax hikes, and he didn't want to put it on the credit card.

Totally justifiable stance.
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beac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 01:35 PM
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16. The phrase is 'hoist by one's own petard' and that is why
it is the PERFECT phrase to use b/c the low-information crowd has already bought into it as a HUGE (or "hugh" as the case may be) negative.
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 03:27 PM
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32. I know what you mean. Hoist away!
Edited on Wed Sep-10-08 03:29 PM by hisownpetard
:headbang:
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kayell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 01:36 PM
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17. This isn't about a change of mind, it's about lies and hypocrisy.
Not the same as the Kerry situation, even if that was relevant. Sometimes switching the meme around is a good idea.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 01:37 PM
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18. Kerry did
If he can, we can.

Loved his convention speech.
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 01:42 PM
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22. What the fuck?
Is this post serious?

I can't believe what I am fucking reading.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 01:44 PM
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23. No. I'd prefer if we said....
...that Sarah Palin lost interest in building the Bridge to Nowhere when she realized that Congress wouldn't offer even more millions for it.

“Despite the work of our congressional delegation, we are about $329-million short of full funding for the bridge project, and it’s clear that Congress has little interest in spending any more money on a bridge between Ketchikan and Gravina Island.”
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 01:47 PM
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28. except that you cannot have a soundbyte from it
Perhaps just showing her holding that T-shirt with NOWHERE, ALASKA with that zip code and asking: well, did she or didn't she?
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 01:45 PM
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25. She kept the money.
She was for building it, then she was against building it but still for keeping the 300 Million the rest of the nation gave her welfare state.
She was for getting the money, by any means necessary. Bloated and on the dole. Her 'surplus' came from raising taxes on businesses and redistibuting that wealth to individuals, something Republicans are supposed to hate. The 300 Million Bridge Dollars they pocketed also helped the state of Alaska.
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VWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 01:46 PM
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27. ARRRRG Ya beat me by 10 milliseconds nt
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VWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 01:45 PM
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26. I think "She kept the money anyway" is what we want to go near nt
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 02:01 PM
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30. I like it. And it fits into TV soundbyte
while showing her with that T-shirt of NOWHERE, ALASKA
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 01:57 PM
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29. start calling them LIARS all the time. then list the lies. what's so wrong about that?
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/7/154528/0935/712/590175

in which the demand for dealing with the lies is very strongly, and accurately, stated
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rvablue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 02:03 PM
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31. Yes, Yes & Yes!! n/t
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