LIVE THREAD #2: PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES FORUM!

Obama walked in and the crowd erupted!!!!

:woohoo:

on fire.

that was a great welcome

Not counting the breaks.

and so do I!

Instead of telling us to go shopping.

And reduce our dependence on foreign oil.

I'm not watching, but I can hear it.

Or Moosealini.

:rofl:

:applause:

:rofl: Zing Zing!

And her first words to Obama were "well isn't that the same thing Senator McCain said", she's definitely in full asshat mode tonight.

How the Hell did she get on PBS??

How do we come together in times when there isn't a crisis.

This man inspires me. And this isn't just some "I like him because he's this or that". It's because he has thought it all out. This is not a trivial pursuit for the presidency. He has spent years carefully working out the details.

I'm anxious to see his office come to fruition.

I backed it up to watch it again.

Wow.

:sarcasm:

he just wasn't challenged on his points. Expect the opposite for Obama

for speaking coherently...I'm offended! ;)

he be far sounds more competent, presidential, and sincere than mcsame.

hope we can believe in!

He should start out by saying "I don't talk in sound bites".

That would be a suttle slam on McPain

i thought obama just said he heard the conversation on who serves in the military earlier. i don't care, i just don't want to hear the repuks chatter tomorrow.

or someone who is for the religious wingnuts.

fucking assholes

:D

;)

Did they bring Bush into any of McCain's ideas?

Nope.

Can you give more details..oh, we only have 1 minute.?

he is on the right track, my opinion instead of saying to people go shopping. The man inspires people to get out there and do something for your country. Something the repigs do not want.

so you'll just have to count the breaks too...

I am so proud to be an Obama supporter!

difference between McCorpse and our guy!

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He actually means what he says. McCain was busy inserting his stump speech into his answers - he doesn't give a shit - and that stuff about not wanting the government to do things just means he really doesn't want the government to one damn thing to make service possible.

He's the real deal. Im a proud Obama supporter tonight.

:bounce:

:thumbsup:

Looking Good!

but I like it. :-)

applause

1. Local control;
2. Local property taxes earmarked for their local school systems only.

A NATIONAL crisis needs a NATIONAL approach and solution.
Curricula need to be established for EVERY CHILD across the board.
Wealthy families in THIS DEMOCRACY do NOT deserve a better, more advanced, more chock-full-o-nuts education for their children than do poor families.

I retired from a public school system after 30 years.

with you points.

Financing, Curriculum, and STANDARDS should be a 50:50 proposition between the states and federal government.

I agree with you about nationalizing and equaling the playing field between wealthy and poor students, but:

"Curricula need to be established for EVERY CHILD across the board."

No, no, no, NO, NO.

The "lowest common denominator" curriculum idea is a failure. My mother was a teacher too so I'm not oblivious to your pain as a public teacher, but my mom taught special ed and learning disabled kids. And they were subject to the same bullshit cookie-cutter standards as every other student. These are kids who couldn't grasp pre-algebra but were being told if they didn't pass Algebra I, they'd never graduate.

Across-the-board curricula inevitably leads to less choices and less quality education. Not every student learns the same and not every student needs the exact same studies as their peers.

What we NEED, in terms of curricula, is a rebirth of the school systems of old.
Strong Academic path for those interested in college and beyond.
Strong Vocational path for those interested in apprenticeships and going into the workforce directly out of high school.

Right now our school systems are lean on vocational education which does a severe disservice to students who may be happy being a plumber or a HVAC specialist. They could be learning this stuff in a strong Vocational Education program and go from school to an apprenticeship and ultimately move to being a productive member of society. As it stands now, public schools say: Here, take this so you can get into college. What happens when they don't go to college? They make minimum wage at some fast food joint because they got a lowest common denominator education and no practical skills.

RE. Gingrich on big government crowding out individual service. Said with a dismissive wave of the hand.

Excellent.

quick enough...

The Contrast is apparent.

He looks at the world from an all encompassing perspective. He is on the ball tonight. Looks outstanding, and he's got pin point acuity in his understanding and responses to these questions.

But I'm trying to eat dinner and feed the dog.

Who's a man of the people?

They're quite mundane

this country after hearing Obama tonite. Damn straight they are selling us short, they would rather have us living in fear and robbing off us. Enough.

He has ideas that I never would have dreamed of, and now that I hear them, I wonder why things aren't like that already.

(or HIS people) want to hear.

Mccain is not nearly as invested to community service. THAT'S the difference. :D

I can't express how much I'm looking forward to the debates.

Bill Clinton was brilliant, and look how well our country was run.

George Bush was average, but affable, and look at our economy and foreign policy.

Obama is brilliant, and we need that right now. Why is this race even close?

where the best are called nerds!!! Not in my country:hi:

and how we get people to want to serve, something about not sending men and women on cavalier adventures like the Iraq invasion. If the government could be trusted to use military force as a last resort, people might be more willing to join. But when you can't trust your own government to use good judgment in where it puts its forces, you don't exactly want to risk being sent to a "dumb war," as Barack put it.

I think he's trying to avoid "politics", negatives - hopefully in the debate he will take that approach.

I know he can say it better than I---more diplomatically, but you're probably right on why he didn't say something like that.

The fellow leaving a corporate job to help vets get treatment for PTSD is the kind of values that separate the Dems from the Republicans, (if I may wax partisan here).

he's handling the questions so well. So poised and articulate, way beyond anything McSame can do.

although I don't know what there is for a non college education, old woman to do. Surely there must be something though.

away peoples full potential and worth, making us not believe in ourselves. Taking away educational opportunities for our kids, to me it is a culture war, to them you do not empower the people that is what they don't want, they want to control people by fear or some other demeaning way.

that is why we can do better.

bullshit

There were tons of contrasts! First of all, Obama wasn't trying to insert his stump speech like McLame did. Then, Obama actually has IDEAS of how to accomplish goals of service. Good God!

And I contrast that with McPalin. They are full of dread. They're dreadful. Fear, hate, division.

i think i'm actually...gonna...have the hots for the next president


his brain is SOOO sexy :blush:

there is nothing sexier than a very smart man with wonderful ideas...he is WONDERFUL!

:rofl:

:applause:

Seems like he was on a half hour, either that or I musta fell asleep while he was on grumping away. :boring:
While I've enjoyed every delicious second of Obama.

Is there a party platform? What sort of economic strategies does it support?

I see it. That phony drug war actually aided drug use. What Obama intends would create a less anxious youth. There is no doubt in my mind that with leadership this energized and inspired, the country would see benefits in unexpected areas.

GO OBAMA!!!

education is the key, getting involved is another thing, repigs are not for the people they have never been.

Hopefully people seeing this will agree.

They didn't. Obama said he'd take a deal right now to have McCain serve in HIS admin.

did she ask Mc insane the same thing? I don't think I heard a question being asked like that to mc insane, but she did ask Obama.

Andrea Mitchell talking to Gregory after the forum. I had just changed the channel from CNN -- because I vowed not to watch MSNBC during debates or election coverage if Olbermann and Matthews weren't going to be inclued -- anyhoo, Andrea was saying "it ends tonight. The Obama camp is working feverishly tonight on some ads that go on the offensive!" Fucking A!

It's long past time to kick some old wrinkly ass. And run over a lipsticked moose too.

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