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bigdarryl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 05:32 PM
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Joe Madison: Hillary was more hard on Obama in the primary than she is on Palin
GOOD point Joe
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 05:33 PM
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1. Big whoop; Hillary going after Palin would be a strategic blunder of gargantuan proportions
Edited on Fri Sep-12-08 05:34 PM by BeyondGeography
And now, back to the race.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 05:37 PM
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2. You got that right Joe!
The Clintons best get it straight that Hillary is not going to get that second chance in 2012 unless both of them make A SINCERE ATTEMPT to support Obama. I fear that neither of them have the type of character traits to pull it off - but I also genuinely hope that I'm wrong. :(
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 06:02 PM
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24. What do you consider a sincere attempt? They have both endorsed Obama and
gave a couple of really good speeches at the convention. Hillary has made several appearances on Obama's behalf since the end of the primaries. Obama met with Bill yesterday and he will be campaigning for Obama also. What more do they need to do to be sincere?
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 05:37 PM
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3. Fuck "the Black Eagle..."
I've heard enough of his racist bullshit...:thumbsdown:
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 05:39 PM
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5. delete. dupe n/t
Edited on Fri Sep-12-08 05:40 PM by politicasista
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 05:41 PM
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9. He's spewed about "illegal aliens"
...and about Jeremiah Wright. He's certainly NOT helping us.:thumbsdown:
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 07:30 PM
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41. Oh, ok. n/t
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 05:39 PM
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7. If she did, she'd be accused of "pretending she's the candidate," etc. nt
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 05:40 PM
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8. He's a racist?
I thought he liked the Clintons. :shrug:
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 05:38 PM
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4. It's NOT her job to be. She takes her cues from Obama. If she comes out swinging, Obama looks weak
etc.

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ej510 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 05:41 PM
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10. I like Joe, but Hillary attacking Palin gives Palin credibility.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 05:46 PM
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12. ...and stature. Not cool. nt
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 05:39 PM
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6. Obama has not asked her to go after Palin.
Give this shit a rest.

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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 05:44 PM
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11. I Have Been Out Of The Loop...Is Hillary On The Ticket?
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 05:53 PM
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14. I don't know. I think Joe Biden is in an undisclosed location,
which is very vice-presidential.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 06:00 PM
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20. Is there a quote from David Plouffe you have a link to?
Hmmm?
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 06:06 PM
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29. Link for ya:
"Here's the deal. The Obama campaign is in the driver's seat on this kind of stuff. I'm told reliably by people in both the Obama and Clinton camps that there were discussions this weekend -- in advance of Hillary's appearance on Monday -- on how to proceed. Both Obama and Hillary advisers were in agreement that having Hillary personally attack Palin would result in a distraction and media circus that would create more problems than it would solve and would take the focus off McCain and the issues."

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/09/hillary_weighs_in_on_lipstickg.php
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 06:16 PM
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34. That's not a quote by David Plouffe.
:shrug:
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 05:51 PM
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13. Hillary Going After Palin Would Be Like Jay Z Going After Souljah Boy
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endthewar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 05:58 PM
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17. Yet everybody's doing the Superman dance
Just saying. :-)
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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 05:54 PM
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15. Distraction Alert!!
Focus your anger on the Repubs. We can fight among ourselves after the election.
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 07:31 PM
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42. Oh. I thought you were talking about the use of "hard on"
But yeah. focus the anger where it belongs.
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 07:53 PM
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45. That is exactly what is going on! Yet another distraction...
Sarah Palin is a wedge issue, like flag burning and gay marriage, though much less relevant. If we and the M$M continue to focus on her and her lack of qualifications, everything else is off the table, stupid, but that's what's going on... :-(
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 05:55 PM
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16. I went to her rally in Tampa on Monday. Someone said, "What about Palin!?"
AND she said, "What about her? It doesn't matter who the Republicans use to bring the message, its the same message. Its the same failed policies. Its NOT what America needs"... This after speaking for about 20 minutes about how crucial and critical it is to elect a Democrat into the White House. She said, "I've been around for a long time in politics, these last 8yrs have been some of the worst blunders, policies, and indadequacies she's ever seen in her entire lifetime".

She's NOT going to be dragged into a media made Cat Fight. She's not even in the same league as Sarah. So, why even stoop that low.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 06:17 PM
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35. Good for her..the corporatewhoremedia would love
that distraction.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 05:58 PM
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18. She gets her marching orders from the Obama campaign.
Edited on Fri Sep-12-08 05:58 PM by Kerry2008
If and when they want her to go after Palin, they'll have her go after Palin.

Wouldn't it make more sense for her to go after McCain though? She presented herself as the person ready to lead on day one, and she was prepared to be Commander-In-Chief, wouldn't it make sense for her to make the case that Obama is ready and McCain is too dangerous?

Biden will take care of Palin at the VP debate, and she's already making an ass of herself in the ABC interviews.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 06:04 PM
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26. I doubt the Clintons take marching orders from Team Obama.
Harold Wolfson said a week ago to the Politico and the NYT that Hillary would not criticize Palin in any way to avoid the appearance of a "cat fight."

Hmmm, I guess no one told that to Govs. Sebelius and Napolitano.
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 05:59 PM
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19. Hillary is taking her cues from Obama's campaign. If they want her to go after Palin, she will.
However, I think it would be a mistake to provide the media with a "catfight" to cover that would further distract voters from focusing on the issues. I think they are playing this very smart.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 06:06 PM
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28. Not sure about that -- Gov. Sebelius basically called Palin a liar as has Gov. Napolitano.
I guess they aren't worried about the appearance of a "cat fight". :eyes:
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tandem5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 06:01 PM
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21. oh damn I guess I'm going to have to get my bumper sticker updated: Obama/Biden/Clinton '08
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 06:01 PM
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22. Wow. Who cares about stoking division besides Karl Rove?
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denem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 06:01 PM
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23. Oh BD - aren't you a card
Edited on Fri Sep-12-08 06:01 PM by lamprey
I almost look forward to the free reprise of shit you post here. Almost.
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salonghorn70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 06:04 PM
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25. After The Convention We Are All Democrats
So why are you saying this about a fellow Democrat? This is totally inappropriate.
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Kdillard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 06:04 PM
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27. Ridiculous and gives Sarah Palin more clout than she deserves.
Joe Biden should be prepared to go after Palin in the debates about policy that is his job. Obama's job is to attack McCain and lump him and his running mate in the same boat as not being good for the interests of the American people and being part of the same failed policies of Bush. Hillary is doing the right thing.
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blue_onyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 06:06 PM
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30. Some people wouldn't be happy with Hillary no matter what she did
She's out campaigning for Obama in important states like Ohio and Florida. I'm sure she will continue to fight for Obama in the weeks to come. Also, Palin isn't the nominee so the focus should be on McCain anyway. I just don't know what some people want from her.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 06:08 PM
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31. I think she's protecting her brand vis-a-vis women voters by avoiding attacking Palin
Edited on Fri Sep-12-08 06:11 PM by ClarkUSA
It's kind of similar to what Edwards did in 2004 when he refused to attack Bush/Cheney because of his "sunny, positive" brand.

There's a lot of people in Hillaryland keeping their powder dry for 2012 - why else would the vast bulk of her Hillraisers refuse
to raise money for Obama if not to sabotage his chances by forcing him to waste precious time at fundraisers when he should
be rallying voters before Election Day?


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oldsneakers Donating Member (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 06:36 PM
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38. Here in HillaryLand (NYC)
I work in the recording industry and many former Hillary supporters are just now opening their wallets and donating big bucks to Obama. Some of them are giving HUGE amounts to the Democratic party and I mean HUGE......including yours truly.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 06:40 AM
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43. Great conspiracy theory!!! nt
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 06:09 PM
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32. Why did I read that initially as a Joe Biden quote?
Thank God I was wrong.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 06:15 PM
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33. Obama's running the show now and it's
Obama Team strategy not mark fooking penn.
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 06:22 PM
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36. The repubs are getting just what they wanted...divide and conquer n/t
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 06:37 PM
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39. Not gonna
conquer.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 06:27 PM
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37. Gee, and I was told the other night that there was no more Hillary bashing here
hint: it ain't constructive, it doesn't help Barack and Joe and, guess what? Hillary's not running for anything and it's Obama's call just how much surrogate activity she will be doing.
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 06:38 PM
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40. Oh, for fuck's sake...
Let it go.
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 07:19 AM
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44. Obama has ASKED Hillary to campaign this way
stop stirring up shit.
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 07:55 PM
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46. So what?
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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 07:58 PM
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47. Who's Joe Madison?
:shrug:
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