I finally figured out what about Palin that disturbs me so much as a woman.

We all know she is disingenuious and not well informed and puts out political BS with which we all disagree vehemently. I have had a real visceral reaction to her and couldn't quite tap what it was that prompts such feelings. Sarah Palin is a caricature, a cartoon figure, a creation of fantasy culture wrapped in the "strong" woman image and the tough bullygirl packaging. In the image of Sarah Palin we finda a combination of beauty pageant drama and WWF violence-made-sexy plunked smack dab in the middle of our political discourse. I don't know many women who see her in the glowing terms they describe her. She is the fantasy creation of the ideal female made by a certain type of man--Rambette. As long as she can pull a trigger and a punch, wisecrack and tough talk like a man, while looking good in her clothes, she is imbued with some sort of mystical strength. Most women aren't like this. Most of the women I know as strong have bear much with dignity and are able to hold the lives of many in their circle together with dignity and intelligence. I'm probably gumming this all up, but it occurred to me that she stands at the nexxus of the worst of female and male cultures within this society. Not a role model I want for my daughters--or my sons either.

....as a three dollar bill!"

because she's so "hot" and that they wouldn't have voted for Hillary as she didn't have the same visceral effect on them.

that she's 'hot'. wtf! i guess we deserve the government we get, but i can't help but wonder how the rest of us deserve this government we end up with when we have fought against it all along!!

She's a reasonably physically attractive 44 year old woman. Certainly better looking than John McCain. But as a heterosexual man, I certainly think Obama is a better looking man than Palin is a woman.

would be seen through the lens of a bitter woman, i suppose. but then again, my view of beauty and such has more to do with a person's intelligence level and ability to speak. There were many guys i thought were good looking, and then they would open their mouths and show the ugliness inside.

pushing the "she's hot" talking point would be a huge turn off to the vast majority of female (and male!) voters, since she seems to be totally lacking in qualifications for the job.

a perversely negative reflection of what feminism is supposed to be about.

Yeah, I hear you, Skidmore.

She's the Anti-Hillary.

I agree completely.

n/t

transmit dispatches to 15 deep-cover agents, pick the kids up from school, and attend an Embassy reception, without getting a hair out of place. "Plame, Valerie Plame."

She looks 100% drop dead ordinary to me. Like, excruciatingly ordinary to the point of being a walking stereotype of "totally non-descript."

If I passed her on the street I wouldn't notice her for a split second. There is nothing at all unique about her. She's average in every sense of the word.

I was referring to Palin, NOT Plame, who IS actually attractive.

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but because a mainstream candidate plunked her down on a major ticket, now she's suddenly such a serious choice. Please, remember the infamous recall election in California that ended up in Aaaaahnold's ultimate victory? They had all these completely out of left field candidates submitting gubernatorial bids. I think Gary Coleman, a porn star and Alfred E. Neumann were amongst some of the candidates. Palin reads like one of those kinds of candidates that wouldn't be viable by herself-- a lot less viable than the third party candidates but because she's now the Republican VP candidate, the reality of her incompetence needs to be spun into the un-reality of her "experience".

is still that she is some sort of religious fundamentalist person, who believe in abstinence only, yet has a pregnant unwed daughter.


I've got fundy family members - when they say abstinence only and practice fundamentalism - they mean that shit.

but i feel like i should because some have intimated it's an attack on her family and family is out of bounds. That you can't control what other people do blah blah.

But having been raised in a conservative home (socially, not politically) and having even more conservative extended family - there are some things that I would never ever ever let my parents see happen with me. Illegitimate pregnancy is one of them. It's a respect thing. But then again, I also have far more sex education than abstinence only. However even when my current bf tells me about his exes from high scool(he's from Fundyland) those girls took their abstinenece pretty seriously.

My other top reason for hating her is that whole bit about banning books. Even if you've enver banned a book in your life - if you beleive that there might one day be a reason you have to, you and I won't ever get along.

throws the brief case in the corner, un-pins her hair and shakes her head loose from its "up-do", and begins unbuttoning her suit only to reveal a skimply little teddy outfit that she's been wearing all day long... She's a walking Porno. Men are undressing her. They are not listening to her. She doesn't have to say anything. She only has to walk around with the old man and protray this image of a walking Porno. Its the reason she was picked over any of the other Republican women they could have gone with. She's attracting men who would like to go out have a beer with her and then take her home and have wild sex with her.

she does absolutely nothing for me.
For one, I don't think she's all that attractive, of course, standing next to macsame can anyone look young and vibrant.

secondly, the minute she opens her mouth and says something, with that wheedly fingernails on the blackboard nasal flatline voice, all bets are off.

keep in mind the same guys who think she's "hot" think Laura Bush is a MILF.

there's something really messed up in the heads of the loyal 23%.

.... the "hot librarian" look does nothing for me.

Palin is a Bush clone, full of confidence and bluster, absolutely devoid of competence, honesty or judgement.

she is NOT a hot librarian. she's not hot, is what I'm getting at.

Now, if angelina jolie or helen hunt or megan fox dressed up like a hot librarian, then we got something.

My point is Palin HERSELF is a turn off.

I don't see how she's so hot.

Neither does my husband, apparently. Shrug.

is concise, accurate, informative, and entertaining.
pity the topic is not meant to be entertaining. Fearful seems to apply a tad bit better.

this version is multi-tasking while still operating from the "gut". Lacks perception of any nation or culture that does not contain hockeystick terminology. Not user friendly or compatible with most operating systems especially those originating in the USSR or made in China.

She has rubbed me the wrong way on some visceral level since I first saw her picture. That overly bright, overly ambitious smile combined with a total lack of introspection struck a nerve in me from the beginning. She is a living, breathing caricature. I don't know this woman because this woman doesn't exist. Except in the minds of her creators, of whom I am afraid she is one. I think it is that self-invented mock up of a 'real Alaska woman' that makes me cringe.

Every time I hear someone say, "She is so REAL.", I want to scream.

of their looks, not brains. She was the one who always complained about affirmative action, turning the policy into a race-specific one while failing to acknowledge that her grades sucked, and that perhaps it was *she* who benefitted from affirmative action policies. She reminded me that I have to be three times as good or better, because her qualifications were better than mine, even though she has a minor in political science and I have a doctorate in political science. That's what she reminds me of. The conservative women who always got over who want to force their opinions on others.

:puke: the only thing missing from her uniform is blood spatters from animal kills.

What I don't like about her: she's FAKING it all the way, which sends the WRONG message to bright, intelligent career women everywhere PLUS it shows again how the Repuke candidate is a MALE CHAUVINIST PIG WHO USES A WOMAN FOR POLITICAL GAIN (he did by marrying Sindy, didn't he?). It shows how STUPID he thinks women in general are, and believes that we blind, stoopid women will flock to vote for Palin because she has a vagina. WRONG!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3986769&mesg_id=3986769

It was especially apparent during her Charlie interview. :puke:

is that she has to be coached to even sit for an interview. Obviously, candidate need to be briefed, but you would hope that a potential president of the US wouldn't need to be coached -- like a not-to-bright kid taking his college boards.

Ready to lead on Day One? She isn't even ready to answer basic questions about what she believes from Day One. She has been intensively coached for two weeks now and she couldn't even answer the softball questions thrown at her in the carefully controlled interview.

She has no knowledge of history, no knowledge of international affairs, no knowledge of how the US government works, no knowledge of the most important developments of the last few years within her own party.

For heaven's sake -- she is a total fraud. She is absolutely dangerous. She will have immense power as president and there are grade-school children in Europe who know more than she does.

Palin team stocked with Bush veterans

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/13323

She wasn't exactly left out there to wing it. She's a D student.

is that she couldn't pass the basic test for US citizenship, but I'd love to see someone administer it to her on nat. tv.:rofl:

They simply are expected not to drool or shit their pants--if they manage to control their bodily functions and sound "decisive", they win.

During the Gibson interview, I looked at my husband and said. "She's not a person, she's a cartoon". I couldn't really put into words exactly why I thought that, and you post put it perfectly. Thank you.

great post. :)

This is the same kind of guy who desperately follows any pretty girl around like a puppy dog, kissing up to her and hoping to get some. These guys believe Dana Perino is honest, and they fantasize about Ann Coulter.

It's one thing to think with your lower extremities, but voting with them is pathetic.

Women as caricatures of men's fantasies is a subtext that (real)women have had to navigate and choke down forever.

But I also am angry as hell at women(Palin) who disparage the very women (true feminists) who battled and sacrificed so much for us to have the right to vote, have control over our bodies and lives, and have decreased the amount of disparity between men & women--to take those advantage of all of that hard work and make a mockery of it by claiming to stand as a representative of women. BULLSHIT.

Not this woman. No way. No Palin.

you didn't mention the voice! OMG it's like fingernails on a blackboard. Actually, it's worse. And her habit of pointing while she's speaking.

that baby was held by all of them as if it was a thing.

when I think of myself with babies that age, or my neighbor with her baby, who is now 2yr. ----

something seems missing between her and the baby. (I really can't find the words to describe)

anyway, it bothers me.

That's what's at the heart of anti-feminism in certain women. Think of women like Phyllis Schlafly, Ann Coulter, Michelle Malkin, Camille Paglia etc. Each of them enjoys a lucrative and semi-powerful place atop her own little perch. They benefit from the advances of feminism in their own lives but oppose feminism in general because they can't stand the competition from other women. And Palin strikes me as a petty insecure bully. Firing the librarian in Wasilla and using her position to go after her brother in law make that clear to me.

is not a feminist. At first, the MSM portrayed her as some Wonder Woman figure. Take a closer look. Her extended family is handling the kids, her husband apparently helps her make decisions, she hasn't demonstrated any intellectual ability so far, and the truth is she cannot do it all herself.

"Look at ME, I wear ONLY very expensive clothes, diamonds, pearls, and I have a REAL Rolex...SEE!" But when she'd open her mouth, all you heard was arrogant, egotistical babble with not thought power! She only made friends with people in the right power positions, and discarded them as soon as they no longer could HELP HER!

I could just imagine Cheney, Bush, Rove et al. getting a huge hard-on when they see her and imagine her with a big gun in her hand....


But then, my mind sometimes tends to the gutter. Too much exposure to Repug politics.

you will see two things. A Karl Rove move in choosing her. And people she was chosen for.

That last one has me more worried than anything. That last one is why COPS lasted more than one episode. Why Baywatch didn't have he same fate. Why there was no revolt when the so-called war on drugs happened.

The pot of lobsters has slowly warmed up. I don't know how, but I see the results. I feel that I do know how. But if I start spouting particulars it comes across like a raving redneck republican. Even I can't take the sound of my own voice when I start talking about how we got here. But there is one thing that's glaringly obvious. We're too comfortable. That sums it up right there.

Everyone is an armchair genius. No one can make their own soap. So we gaze outward upon a real world, and push our buttons. Feed me.


Edit- I will say something else that has contributed to those who have consciously made Amerrica this way. Immigrants often show up here scared. My grandmother had a marble 3 story palace on a hill. I finally saw the first picture of it a week ago. Beyond my father, there is no history. I know nothing. Never met my grandfather. These people were the lucky ones. They were given a hint. And by night, they left the country. They showed up here to be migrant workers. Scared. Broke. This is how many new Americans are formed. And fear has done the republicans very very well.

So Palin fits the image.

she is not independent and uses sex to manipulate.

she lies
she preaches christianity yet does not walk the walk
she lacks honor and integrity

i would not like her if i met her on the street or she was a next door neighbor

but as vp.... which i would not care about otherwise, she is not a thinker.

Many Americans seem unable to tell a caricature when they see it. They love simplicity, and suspect complexity, so caricatures comfort them. Is it because of too much TV, where a little tough talk and a few wisecracks solve all problems? I dunno, but it's scary.

Violent, ignorant, arrogant, insular, greedy, lying, animal-abusing, superficial, uncaring, etc.

I agree totally with most of the comments expressed in this thread.

She is the epitome of every rotten aspect of contemporary American culture rolled into one person.

She's a caricature. A walking (and sadly) talking bad pun.

The only thing I might be able to contribute that you didn't touch on is the complete lack of worthiness.

While people like Senators Clinton and Obama were dedicating themselves to improving the lives of their fellow citizens and WORKING to make things happen, Gov. Palin was reading sports scores and eating mooseburgers.

She just hasn't earned a governorship, much less a presidency.

promoted while the people who are actually doing the work are ignored.

or should I say bullette.

That's it. A prop. Which is why women with any self-respect should be fucking insulted by her.

Fucked the entire football team to get to the
quarter back then finds religion after graduation.

She's cliquey queen bee who gets all her girlfriends
to do her dirty work.

Without Blinking. :evilfrown:

--and got the promotion that a number of older and more competent women were passed over for. And boss man improves his affirmative action streed cred as well.

I'm a Man's Woman. And that there's nothing wrong with that. :-)

Why she irritates me? At a gut-level catty instinct? Woman to woman? She's left her feminity off the table in order to play with the 'Big Smart Men'. There is nothing soft or gentle about that woman.

I compare/contrast her to Nancy Pelosi. Now I know a lot of Democrats dislike her. But as a woman who is thrilled that she's the first female SOH . . . and who thinks the world of her beliefs and record of progressive/liberal values -

I can also 'look' at Nancy Pelosi the woman and see a wife, mother, grandmother - who just happens to be a tough cookie to boot! :-) Her 68 years or so on this planet have given us a woman with a huge heart - but who can harden it when necessary.

Whereas Palin's 44 years have given us a hard hearted hannah who throws on make up, does her updo, and does/says things to get the big bad boys in her back pocket.

I don't think Nancy Pelosi gives a dayum if the 'big bad boys' are in her back pocket. She's just who she is be it good, bad, or indifferent. Take her or leave her. Not this "Please like me. Please like me. I hunt. I'm a barracuda. Like me because I'm mean."