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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 12:08 PM
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Republican Media Consultants: McCain is lying, McCain wants to "go into the mud"
http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20080913/news_1n13claims.html

Amazingly the San Diego Union Tribune ran this NYT article on its front page today, a day with train wrecks, hurricanes and local scandal.



McCain's ads widely flagged for distorting Obama stances


By Michael Cooper and Jim Rutenberg
NEW YORK TIMES NEWS SERVICE

September 13, 2008

While harsh advertisements and negative attacks are a staple of presidential campaigns, Sen. John McCain has drawn an avalanche of criticism this week from Democrats, independent groups and even some Republicans for stretching the truth in attacking Sen. Barack Obama's record and positions.

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First the McCain campaign twisted Obama's words to suggest that he had compared Sarah Palin, the Republican vice-presidential nominee, to a pig after Obama said, in questioning McCain's claim to be the change agent in the race, “You can put lipstick on a pig; it's still a pig.” (McCain once used the same expression to describe Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's health plan.)
Then he claimed that Obama supported “comprehensive sex ed” for kindergartners. (Obama supported teaching them to be alert for inappropriate advances from adults).

Those attacks followed weeks in which McCain repeatedly asserted that Obama would raise taxes on the middle class, even though analysts say Obama would cut taxes on the middle class more than McCain would, and misrepresented Obama's positions on energy and health care.

A McCain advertisement called “Fact Check” was itself found to be “less than honest” by FactCheck.org, a nonpartisan group. The group complained that the McCain campaign had cited its work debunking various Internet rumors about Palin but implied in the advertisement that the rumors had originated with Obama.

“The last month, for sure, I think the predominance of liberty taken with truth and the facts has been more McCain than Obama,” said Don Sipple, a Republican advertising strategist.


Assaults on the truth haven't just come in negative campaigning. McCain yesterday again lauded Palin as a budget cutter, but he erroneously asserted that as governor of Alaska she had not sought congressional earmarks for her state.

Appearing on ABC's “The View,” McCain was pressed on Palin's record of seeking such targeted money for Alaska. “Not as governor she didn't,” McCain said.


“They just keep stirring the pot, and I think the McCain folks realize if they can get this thing down in the mud, drag Obama into the mud, that's where they have the best advantage to win,” said Matthew Dowd, who worked with many top McCain campaign advisers when he was President Bush's chief strategist in the 2004 campaign, but who has since had a falling out with the White House. “If they stay up at 10,000 feet, they don't.”


Sipple, the Republican advertising strategist, voiced concern that McCain's approach could backfire.
“Any campaign that is taking liberty with the truth and does it in a serial manner will end up paying for it in the end,” he said.



The fact that the San Diego Union Tribune, a major Republican outlet, ran this on the front page should be understood by McCain that he may want to go into the mud but that there are alot of other Republicans that are not going to follow him in.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 12:22 PM
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 12:35 PM
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2. kick. good article.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 02:03 PM
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11. tks
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 12:40 PM
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3. K & R Grantcart... Amazing!
Edited on Sat Sep-13-08 12:42 PM by symbolman
Can it get any stranger? Repigs in a Solid Red Area telling the damn TRUTH? They actually Don't want to get down in the Primevil Ooze with McCain?

Unbelievable..
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 12:48 PM
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4. well it turns out some of them love their country more than their party
unfortunately neither of the two on the ticket share that same quality.
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 01:27 PM
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6. You have wonderful intuition and insights
You ever been a campaign manager? You'd make a great one..

I think it may behoove us to WELCOME the Republicans BACK into the fold - True Conservatives, and check their histories at the door, NO Rubber Stamping Republican NeoCons allowed.

There was a time, as a kid, that I remember that Dems and Repubs actually got along quite well, at least in the general populace - we'd have block parties and they'd all throw horseshoes and toss each other beers, a few jibes here and there, but friendly..

the Media and the REPUGS in the last 30 years or so, since Nixxon I'd guess, have been actively promoting HATE and a 50/50 crowd DIVISION on ALL Issues, a House Divided and all that..

It's Psyops, pure and simple, along with PC installation (which when it first came out was trumpeted as a grand Feat by the Right Wing, people don't even realize that now, to further divide the liberals and progressives, to have them "Jello Sheriffing" each other, never getting to the ISSUE.. just like NOW)...

FOr years now all major issues and races have been a "neck and Neck" "horserace" "can't make the call" operation - I recall as a younger man when sometimes in an election one guy would have his ass kicked ROYAL the whole time, without a snowball's chance in hell of ever winning, all the way to the day of the election.

You will NOT see that now. I believe that whatever I'm shown, and until Obama eats a dead rat on stage, HE has a 10-14% LEAD over McCain..

Doesn't mean we slack off, we have to fight even harder..

Now that I think about it, Obama is doing just what I offered at the start of this paragraph - HE is bringing the TRUE Conservatives back into the party, under the banner of AMERICAN.

And doing it well..

I also enjoyed your dissertation on the Next scene for McCain, "Running against a One Party System" and find that fascinating.

Thanks for blessing this board with your views. :)
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 01:30 PM
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7. thanks for your kind remarks

When I was 20 I was offered a statewide campaign for a referendum issue but eneded up going overseas for 20 years. Just getting back into it this year in a more serious way.
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 02:24 PM
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12. I wish Obama would snap you up
I appreciate having you on the board, reminds me of the good old DU days, where it was a smaller more intense group, much like a think tank..

Just a big ol' sloppy Thanks, no need for an answer, unless you've got some more illuminatin' to do for us :)
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 01:09 PM
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5. McCain's campaign IS a train wreck.
His "straight talk express" went off of the tracks about 5 months ago, my friends.

Man, if he says "my friends" one more time, I'm gonna barf.

LoL
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 01:45 PM
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8. the my friends thing is tired

also his 'drunken sailor' joke is stale and his 'I will veto it and you will know their names' is boring.


He doens't appear able to adapt his message at all.
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 02:31 PM
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13. I think he has NO Friends
and it's sheer projection :)

What bothers ME the MOST, besides the obvious unethical behaviors is the WHISTLING when he talks!

He's got acccess to a 100 million bucks and he's got Yellow Dog teeth, and I KNOW they could make THEM STOP WHISTLING! :)

I actually thought of editing a ton of McCain video sound files down to ONLY Whistles, and then have him give a speech while the song "Whistle While You Work" plays in the background - or "Lets all SING like the Birdies Sing" while showing how he folded as a POW..

Being a POW might be the single greatest thing that ever happened to him, since he uses it as a rate of Exchange in this election.. As a Veteran I thank him for his service, but the man also had no goddamn business being a pilot, only to waste millions of dollars in aircraft..
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SDJay Donating Member (229 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 01:48 PM
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9. Holy Crap!
Since I've been a constant pain in their ass for the past few months, I should send them another email thanking them for 'beginning to uncover the truth and report objectively.' I was just ranting in another thread how the SD papers are ridiculously right-leaning, and just as I opened the site a few minutes ago I saw this article as well. Damn nice to see SD get with the program and report on both sides for one day.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 01:54 PM
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10. just because they are right leaning doesn't mean they don't have an ethical spine

Let's hope they turn up the heat.
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Eyes_wide_ open Donating Member (417 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 02:59 PM
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14. WOOT! Grantcart you've done it again

With all the crap out there that gets posted here on DU, you consistently find and post the relevant and important things that matter. I needed this amid all the pigstick hype and depressing garbage, thank you.

So very many here, that are understandingly frustrated, want to crawl down there in the mud with the slime to fight, and want Obama to do it too. They've been convinced Rove's way is the only way. Not only do I not believe that, I think that the American people are so disgusted with that nastiness that doing so would lose us any advantage we have. I know what's happened in the past, but people are waking up.

Even Republicans are speaking out, the people that have walked lock step forever! I too, remember a time when the Republican party was not about the Neo-con agenda. Maybe they want to take their party back, we can only hope.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 03:15 PM
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15. I wonder if they've ever heard of
The Law of Diminishing Returns..?
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 03:25 PM
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16. Happy to be the 10th rec n/t
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 03:46 PM
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17. Thanks, grant..It's always exciting when the facts
are reported in the CorporateMedia!!
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Shine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 03:49 PM
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18. Steve Schmidt knows he's got no other choice but to go negative
Basically the Repugs have no agenda to run on, so going full-on negative is the strategy they're using.

Lucky for us, it appears to be back-firing.

The "John McCain is a LIAR" meme is taking hold..... :thumbsup:
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beac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 03:54 PM
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19. A Google search for "McCain lies" returns 10,700,000 results.
A more specific search for "McCain lies about Obama" yields 7,560,000 results.

"McCain lies list" = 10,400,000

"McCain lies to vets" = 1,360,000


By contrast, "Obama lies" yields over 14 million, but keep in mind that McCain has been getting a free pass from the press until he brought Palin on. Also Obama has been smeared with a lot of untruths about his birth, etc that I am sure contribute to his "lie" total.

McCain IS LYING in his ads and, when called on, DEFENDING them-- it's getting REALLY interesting to watch him spin and spin. And people AREN't buying it. :)
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