What would McCain or Palin have to do to LOSE...

their respective upcoming debates? Is there ANYTHING that would cause the MSM to characterize the outcome as an Obama/Biden blowout? I'm serious, here. It seems that no matter hoe egregious the gaffe or lie, there's always a number of pressholes who will defend them.

If ever there was reason to impeach a President, Bush wins hands down.
They do whatever they want and are never held accountable by the laws of our Constitution because these people do not believe the US Constitution is worth a damn. It remains a talking point only to serve their needs at any given time.

The Election?
With ultimate power in their hands, I believe, as in the past two elections, it takes place only to keep the US citizens believing another lie. That our US Constitution still exists in its original form. It does not.
It has been sliced and diced and parts deleted bit by bit. The GOP Right adheres to rules of their own making while Marketing and P.R. Groups are there to feed the American citizens what is needed to dumb down and pacify the questioning masses while they direct this once great nation on a path we wouldn't want, yet have been rendered powerless to stop.
We are along for the ride whether we want it or not. Sit down, be quiet, adapt to the GOP brand of 'democracy', or leave the country while you still can.

I doubted the legitimacy of this coming election when, in prePalin days, McCain seemed to be running oddly close to Obama in the polls, considering his lack of popularity.
The introduction & marketing of a nobody like Palin, will simply make it more believeable when once again, the wool is pulled over the eyes of America's citizens via the hack-job within the electronic voting system on November 4, 2008.

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Sorry for the pessemistic outlook my friends, but I cannot see one reason why they would relinquish their power and they are certain to lie, steal, cheat, and manipulate anyway they must to keep building on what the Bush years gave them, as they permanently change this once great democracy.

If we couldn't get our own powerful people in Congress to see the Bush Administration as we saw it, a certain danger for this Nation's future, what power have we left?
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I wish greatest blessings for Obama and in the spirit of the America I was raised to believe in, its Constitution, I will speak for him and vote for him and hope with all I have that America can somehow be saved from the treasonous overthrow we are certainly in the midst of.

Thanks
Blaze

if pessimistic views. I am beginning to agree with a position I used to avoid - that it will take at least a 10-12%+ landslide for even a "dead-heat" win for Obama.

while Obama keeping his composure.

The big problem is, will it be covered? We don't need some hot-shot with a verifiable temper problem guiding our foreign policy. If you make everyone else an enemy, you're sure gonna find one, or make one.

Why can't we play nice with the rest of the world? We only have one world to share, it seems much easier to share it as neighbors and friends rather than looking at everyone else as the enemy.

In that situation, if someone attacks us, we have more people to assure that those responsible will be isolated and pay the price.

The news media really just follows the drama, and that will be drama. It will drive the discussion in the media for the following weeks, and reframe the perception of McCain.

huge audience to see it, and an impartial press to cover it. What are the odds?

While Obama was cold, supercilious, and arrogant.

This is a game.

and McCain is all temper. You can only spin it so much

I spent many years not being involved because I didn't have the information to make a good decision and I had more important things to do. When I made my turn, it was because, even though I wasn't a news junkie, I knew I was being manipulated. Hell, I knew in '63 that the official story was BS, but we didn't have too many resources to get the back story.

Since that time I've had many discussions with people that run the gamut from well educated to street-wise dropouts and we can all be manipulated if we haven't developed the observation and thinking skills to separate reality from BS ( I'd put my money on the less educated and street-wise any day). Most of those discussions, I could present logical arguments that would reach some level of common understanding and agreement. Within weeks, the same person would revert to the same simplistic view of the world because their main information source was the corporate media. Others, the more facts I would present, the more emotional and irrational they would get.

The problem for me is that most people are consumers of corporate media, and their interest is making money, not presenting accurate and valuable information. Over the years we have been trained less and less in analytical thinking (through the official channels).

The corporate media won't change what they do until they know the lack of audience hurts their bottom line, and know why. I think most people are smarter than we give them credit for. If they get information that has some logical sense when argued from multiple viewpoints and supported by historical evidence, they will get it. For those that operate on ideological views, they won't believe factual information, anything that doesn't match their view will be seen as manipulated.

You just can't fix stupid

That MIGHT be starting to happen in some media venues, but the right will fight it all the more if it begins to grow. With more LIES.

One of the radio shows I listen to had an author on showing how that as viewers/readers/listeners we are the source of income for the advertisers and media sources. I turned off my TV machine a few years ago and avoid any for-profit media. Unfortunately most people buy into the BS (let's call it what it is propaganda). I don't think they're stupid but I know they're uninformed.

the media would still declare them winners for taking such a "bold, decisive step...in true Maverick-like fashion".

there is at least a small amount of :sarcasm: in your statement. What if they showed up drunk and not quite dressed? Nah - that would just show "spunk!"

Both candidates have supporters who spin whatever happens their way. This is a fight. Get used to it.

Perhaps some people here might consider devoting as much time spinning stuff our way as they do worrying about why spin exists.

Right.

Thread-killer!

but other than that I think we've gotta really really blow them away on every turn to come out of them with the MSM judging us the winner.

Biden simply cannot win. No matter what happens the MSM will call it a tie for him at best. Pain has the lowest bar in history, and so long as she doesn't completely freeze up and say "lipstick on a pit bull, lipstick on a pit-bull, lipstick, lipstick, lipstick, lipstick, bush-doctrine-stick" over and over and over again for 90 minutes, she'll be seen as having "not made any gaffes" as happened with the ABC interview, which she was pathetic on. Biden will be judged by the MSM not by now much of a better grasp of everything he has than Pain, but rather SOLELY on whether or not he can be gentlemanly enough without totally wimping out on every quesiton. Again, the bar is just too high for him, and it's not on substance in the least, and it's too low for her.

Any reasonable person, however, should see them for the qualifications and judge accordingly, but the MSM won't play it that way.

Obama has a slightly easier run, with them both seeming about equal. Unless, however, McSame flies off the handle, which I highly doubt, I expect this will come out as a draw, with any stumblings by Obama being exaggerated, and any missteps by McSame being dismissed as simple personality traits. Also McSame does well in these small hall type deals, while Obama tends to seem a bit dry at times. Not that McSame isn't dry, but he always looks like he's trying so hard, that the MSM tends to give him a break. Obama is so cooool as a cucumber, that they magnify any stumblings.

Stupid all, but how I expect things to fall out.

David