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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 09:00 PM
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McCain's Absentee Ballot Mailer Fiasco Spreads - Could Disqualify Some Voters

McCain's Absentee Ballot Mailer Fiasco Spreads - Could Disqualify Some Voters

Reports from around the country advise that John McCain's campaign has sent confusing or incorrect absentee ballot request forms to voters in ten states at least. Affected so far are Florida, Iowa, North Carolina, Ohio, Oregon (reported by blogger, not confirmed) Minnesota, Missouri, Pennsylvania, Virginia and Wisconsin.

In each state, the mailers have a different error, in any of these cases, the voter could be disenfranchised by the error. In at least one state a voter could disqualify themselves or be vulnerable to election challenges if they mailed these forms in. Mailers sent to Wisconsin voters are encouraging voters to send their applications to clerks in communities where they do not live. If you receive an absentee ballot request form from the McCain campaign ( or any private entity) and you do want to vote absentee, then instead check with your County Board of Elections to get the correct information.

...more at the link
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katandmoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 09:01 PM
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1. Too disgusting for words.
Edited on Mon Sep-15-08 09:02 PM by katandmoon
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 09:02 PM
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2. So this is their trick. This should be on national TV repeated over and over
Vehicles with speakers on the roofs should be going through neighborhoods announcing this.. but no it's probably going to remain a little blip in the internets.
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Sugarcoated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 09:04 PM
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3. Republican's always cheat to win
scumbags . . . liars.
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Blaze Diem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 09:04 PM
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4. Were these sent to anyone/everyone? Or just targets like Registered Dems? Registered Repubs?
Was this an error, or deliberate, or just stupid?

Guess that depends on who the 'targets'were.
Anyone know?
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Sugarcoated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 09:08 PM
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10. That's a good question.
Were they sent to Democrats only?
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 09:08 PM
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13. In Wisconsin, Democrats received absentee ballot applications...
...with the wrong addresses, from the McCain campaign.

Some Democrats may stay home on Election Day thinking that they can't vote since they applied for an absentee ballot which never arrived.

http://news.racinepost.com/2008/09/gop-absentee-ballot-mailings-called.html
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 11:05 PM
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35. a diff mistake for each state, but in OH & NC did affect republicans
but some people in Western NC saying that they are Dems/indies and got them too.

In Ohio, mostly republicans were affected as far as we known.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 09:06 PM
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5. We need a federal law against anyone but the state governments...
...distributing absentee ballot applications.
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NWHarkness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 09:07 PM
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9. Uh... we are distributing them too, you know... n/t
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 09:12 PM
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17. What should be done? NT
NT
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 09:55 PM
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27. in Hoboken it's what the corrupt pols bank on. neither party shld be doing this....
the intensive care unit all vote absentee
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aquamarina Donating Member (772 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 09:06 PM
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6. Why don't the respective SOSs declare that anyone who is
disqualified as a result of responding to one of these fraudulent mailers be reinstated? What do the election folks do with these mailers when they get them - are they destroyed? I swear, shit like this drives me crazy. Someone should sue the shit out of the McCain campaign for this deliberate election fraud perpetrated upon unknowing voters.
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NWHarkness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 09:06 PM
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7. They've screwed themselves
Campaigns don't send out absentee applications to just anyone- they send them to voters they have identified as their own supporters.

Karma, baby, karma. They may have disenfranchised thousands of voters on their own side.
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orestes Donating Member (543 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 09:08 PM
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12. I believe
they are sending these to Democratic voters mostly. At least that's what i've heard in previous reports.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 09:10 PM
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16. These are going to DEMS.
This is a deliberate attempt to disenfranchise OUR voters.
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 09:37 PM
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21. um, no they are using Obama's donor lists.
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BlueIdaho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 09:50 PM
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24. Are you sure?
How would he get his hands on that specific list? I 'm sorry if I'm dumb on this issue - but is that specific information available to anyone to view? I know campaign dollars have to be reported but specific donors and their addresses also?
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 09:54 PM
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25. yeah, donor lists are public. and the people finding mistakes are mostly Dems...
it seems they are sending to both Repubs + Dems and not ALL applications have mistakes... but all complaints seem to be coming from Obama supporters.
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BlueIdaho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 10:27 PM
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31. Thank you - I learned something new today.
And thank you for answering w/o flames.
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 10:32 PM
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32. you're very welcome. this issue means a lot to me... and it's swing states. grrrr!
if you know anyone in Fla. Mi, Ohio.... let them know to be careful- and to check on their registration with their local office soon, before they miss the deadline. and to bring ID + gas bills etc when they go to vote. they know how to find DEms and challange them.
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iceman66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 09:07 PM
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8. "In each state, the mailers have a different error"
We're supposed to believe this is an accident?
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 09:08 PM
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11. Gotta keep this kicked
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 09:09 PM
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14. And the punishment to the McCain campaign?
:shrug:

Shouldn't they be heavily penalized for disenfranchising these voters, even if it wasn't intentional (though I highly suspect it was).
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GoesTo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-08 02:50 AM
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39. They should be struck from the ballot in those states
That would be the entirely appropriate punishment. If they don't truly respect people's right to vote, why should they have the right to receive votes?
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 09:09 PM
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15. They want to steal this election and they are disenfranchising voters.
This needs to go to KO and every MSM and bloggers. Make this viral.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 09:18 PM
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18. I thought using the US Postal Service to commit fraud was a crime?
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 09:26 PM
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19. Why isn't McCain disqualified from running...it's premeditated vote fraud
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 09:27 PM
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20. He needs to go directly to jail!
:argh:
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 09:40 PM
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22. I suppose you could call that reform
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SDJay Donating Member (229 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 09:43 PM
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23. Why has no one
contacted any sort of district attorney or even US attorney, since this appears to be federal in nature, yet? This isn't just sleaze - this is a crime - directly against the Constitution. Someone who's received this and is pissed needs to get a meeting with a prosecutor. Wanna see some serious dominoes fall on that campaign? Start the prosecutorial process and watch the lemmings who were charged with this treason start to sing. This is the most despicable act yet from McCrap.
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Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 09:55 PM
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26. Kick
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 10:00 PM
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28. I still haven't heard a word about this on the tee-vee.
This needs to be presented with flames around it to get the public's attention. Nobody likes cheating, and they definitely don't like the other guy cheating. ;) That's a consensus that could drive a movement toward clean elections.

This needs to see some sunlight.
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ShadowLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 10:09 PM
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29. The 'liberal' media would be all over this story if they weren't biased in favor of McCain
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crazylikafox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 10:14 PM
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30. Kick until the media gets that set of balls from Hillary......
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mw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 10:38 PM
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33. If these stories are true, McCain wins
Period.
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gmoney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 10:42 PM
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34. That explains why I got TWO of them...
I wondered why... and I never have received one before, but I thought maybe it was something the new Dem governor and SOS were doing to help avoid voter disenfranchisement.

Hope I didn't throw them away!
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 11:22 PM
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36. UPDATE: Mailer Directs Voters To Return Absentee Ballot To Wrong Address
State Republican Mailer Under Fire As Unfair Confusion Tactic
Mailer Directs Voters To Return Absentee Ballot To Wrong Address

September 15, 2008 UPDATED: 9:49 pm CDT September 15, 2008


MADISON, Wis. -- Absentee ballot mailers are under fire from Democrats.

Democrats believe a mistake by the Republican Party could be an effort to mislead or even disenfranchise voters.

More than a 100,000 mailers from the John McCain campaign were sent out with an application for an absentee ballot.

The problem is that the mailers were sent to a particular address, but if the voters returned the application it was addressed to another city.

The state Republican Party called it an honest mistake.
http://www.channel3000.com/news/17481635/detail.html
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Eyes_wide_ open Donating Member (417 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-08 01:15 AM
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38. Honest mistake my ASS!

any body notice it's almost all swing states? Different mistakes in different states?! Come on, they went to the trouble of printing DIFFERENT mistakes? Ya know, a person might buy the idea of a typo if they were all the same mistake ... but this? No other explanation but deliberate.

I say we make enough noise they HAVE to report this loud and long. Blogs, calls, LTTEs, let's make sure we're asking the campaign also. NOT THIS TIME ... we can't lay down!
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 11:52 PM
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37. So is this illegal yet?
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-08 11:02 AM
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40. no but it should be
Obama had sponsored legislation against deceptive election tactics.

This surely is part of those tactics.
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