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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-08 01:55 AM
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The world is afraid US voters might make the wrong choice
http://en.afrik.com/article14507.html

Perhaps wisely, The Guardian has decided not to repeat the experiment this year. But its journalists are still watching the US presidential election with mounting concern. Jonathan Freedland, a columnist, recently wrote of a “sinking feeling in the stomach”, as he watched the polls turn against Barack Obama. His article was headlined: “The world’s verdict will be harsh if the US rejects the man it yearns for”. :hide:

Mr Freedland is clearly correct to point out that foreigners (and not just Guardian readers) are overwhelmingly rooting for Mr Obama. A BBC poll of 22 countries, published a couple of weeks ago, found pro-Obama majorities in every single one of them – from India to Kenya to Germany and points in between. Israel is the only nation that I know of where the polls suggest that John McCain is the local favourite.

But should Americans care about what the rest of the world thinks? They are, after all, electing a president of the US – not a secretary- general of the UN. Foreigners may wonder why the ability to dress a moose or drive your kids to a hockey game is a relevant qualification for the vice-presidency. But the US is quite a successful country. So its voters may not be as bad at picking their leaders as the rest of the world evidently fears.

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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-08 01:57 AM
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1. And who can blame them?
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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-08 01:58 AM
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2. Then the world needs to do something about Diebold.
This country will indeed make the right choice, of that I believe. It's who's counting the votes in this country is what the world has to fear.
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JimDandy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-08 03:01 AM
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8. I concur. For my vote, "nothing comes between me and a tree"
Edited on Thu Sep-18-08 03:02 AM by JimDandy
In other words: a paper ballot.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-08 03:51 AM
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12. The world can do nothing about Diebold. We have to. Us. ME. YOU.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-08 02:00 AM
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3. It would put the final nail in the coffin of US leadership around the world if
McSame and the barracuda get the White House.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-08 02:01 AM
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5. China would just swallow us whole,
and that would be the end of it.

I'd rather have Obama win myself.

We've got a job to do.....we've got to save the United States, and then the world!
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vanderBeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-08 02:01 AM
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4. I guess it would be US/Israel against the world, then, if McCain wins.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-08 02:21 AM
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6. But we're going to make the right choice. We're going to vote in Obama/Biden.
And we're going to do it with pride.
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samuraiguppy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-08 02:55 AM
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7. they don't trust us
because we have made some bad decisions in the past
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-08 03:24 AM
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9. Understatement of the century.
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jrockford Donating Member (504 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-08 03:26 AM
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10. Should be of no surprise...
Israel is the only nation that I know of where the polls suggest that John McCain is the local favourite.

Considering how Israel "values" human rights, privacy, and democracy - no one should be surprised. It seems the U.S. is aspiring to such wonders these past eight years and I can only imagine what another four would be like.

Hopefully imagining is all I'll have to do.
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GoesTo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-08 03:50 AM
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11. Wrong place for this post?
Isn't Israel bashing supposed to go in the Israel/Palestine thread?
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-08 05:15 AM
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13. In 2000, a wise diplomat from India made an astute comment:
"The choosing of the President of the United States is far too important
to be left up to the American voter."

Considering 1968, 1972, 1980, 1984, 1988, 2000* and 2004* I can't call him wrong.

*I fully believe that we won 2000 and 2004, but as the winner did not take office,
the effect was the same as a loss, because the fraudulent result was allowed to stand.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-08 09:42 AM
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17. Plus, in 2000 & 2004, enough of the voters were dim enough to keep the margins ...
... within the range necessary to facilitate the thefts.
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Celebrandil Donating Member (254 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-08 05:31 AM
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14. Yes, I'm afraid
Edited on Thu Sep-18-08 05:31 AM by Celebrandil
The reason why I'm here is.... because I'm afraid. I admit that. McCain doesn't seem to understand why so many europeans (like me) are afraid of America. To me he's an embodiment of the american bully. It scares me that so many people seem to stop thinking, if you just overwhelm them with enough talk about God, guns and glory. When I saw the first Palin interview I almost freaked out. She didn't even seem to know about the Bush doctrine. Even I knew about the Bush doctrine. To us europeans the doctrine had some fundamental consequences. In the future we were to expect an America that would act more like a world police, without necessarily consulting with its allies, in particularly those in UN. Scary indeed. I don't like to have someone else's police force patrolling my neighborhood.
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OHDEM Donating Member (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-08 10:14 AM
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25. We're sorry.
We know that our fellow Americans have elected morons who do awful things. We've tried to stop them. Even to remove them, but we've had no luck so far. We hope to redeem ourselves by electing a man with respect not only for our laws, but for the laws of the world as well. Someone with respect for other people, with brains, compassion & strength.

I guarantee that when we elect Barack Obama in November, there will be no more Bush Doctrine. No more torture. No more ignoring treaties. No more treating the planet like it's resources are ours alone. Or like we have nothing to do with it's problems.

Welcome & where are you from? :hi:
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Celebrandil Donating Member (254 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-08 12:01 PM
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30. But not of americans...
I just want to point out that I've nothing against americans. I don't think I've ever met an unfriendly american. Afraid of America is one thing, afraid of americans is another.
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Errrica Donating Member (229 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-08 10:15 AM
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26. Exactly!
If you're afraid, you can only imagine how we feel too. Ha. I don't want my country policing anybody else's, and vice versa.
But don't worry, I have hope that we will elect the right man this time.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-08 05:40 AM
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15. What's that line, fool us once, er....
If the US fucks up this time, well....
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-08 09:40 AM
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16. Decades of evidence to the contrary.
    So its voters may not be as bad at picking their leaders as the rest of the world evidently fears.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-08 09:42 AM
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18. So are we, world - so are we.
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-08 09:44 AM
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19. Can someone please explain to me why Israel prefers McSame?
Is it the necons?
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Yotun Donating Member (346 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-08 10:30 AM
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27. Israel is probably the most right-wing, militaristic and hawkish country in the world.
Edited on Thu Sep-18-08 10:31 AM by Yotun
It is the living embodiment and triumph or religious racism, discrimination, imperialism and offensive colonialism. I understand there's another place for Palestine-Israel discussions, and given I tend to avoid such places to keep my blood pressure from erupting since US understanding of the issues involved there is very skewed, I'll leave it at that.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-08 10:33 AM
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28. They think Obama is Muslim
My guess. :shrug:
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-08 12:03 PM
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31. McCrazy wants to bomb bomb bomb Iran
and so do the Likud assholes in Israel.
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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-08 09:44 AM
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20. WE'RE TRYING! Believe me, my judgment of America will be just as harsh if not harsher
should McCain and Palin be allowed to steal the White House.
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codjh9 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-08 09:46 AM
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21. I don't agree with the last paragraph. Just because the US is 'successful' (only in SOME ways)
doesn't mean its voters are '... not as bad at picking their leaders as the rest of the world evidently fears'. In my lifetime we've had 30 years or Republicans and only 20 of Democrats, and 16 of those Republican years have been really bad - so I say the American public SUCKS at picking leaders, which is due to their ignorance, apathy, non-participation, etc.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-08 09:47 AM
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22. Me too.
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-08 09:49 AM
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23. I'm afraid they will too !
Nothing scares me more then a Palin Presidency
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-08 09:58 AM
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24. I think 2004 pretty much sealed the deal, as George Soros warned.
Though one paper didn't fault all of us, just yet.

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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-08 11:34 AM
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29. They're scared of the fraud. They're not ignorant of what's been going on.
I'm becoming increasingly surprised and disappointed with Freedland's bizarre claims.
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