Here's to the honest, moderate Republican who is on our side!

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Please let's not go there again with Hagel. It's embarassing.

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the Dems. Don't even begin to think that.

and picking out a cabinet position for him.

Biden, Webb and Jack Reed come first to mind. The difference I guess is that they actually know him, and probably judge him by more than his voting record (please, oh please, do NOT provide the link to ontheissues).

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Get over it.

Get over it. :crazy:

Perhaps you can tell us all what part of these stances you're a big fan of?

- He's anti-abortion with a 100% pro-life voting record
- Rated 11% by the NAACP
- 0% on gay rights
- Rated 100% by the Christian Coalition
- Supports prayers in public schools
- Supports mandatory 3 strikes sentencing
- Supports absolute right to gun ownership
- Opposes federally funded health coverage
- In favor of privatizing social security
- Rated 36% by the NEA
- Rated 0% by the League of Conservation Voters
- In favor of tax cuts for the wealthy
- Rated 92% by CATO
- Opposed to campaign finance reform

Nope.. Moot point. I don't care what he is for/against. I'm not going to marry him, I said I liked him. BIG FUCKING DEAL.

I'm done with this trite, EXTREME left wing conversation.

Have a nice day, worrying about shit that doesn't matter.

EXTREME left wing conversation.

May I suggest the decaf? :rofl:

You're the one who likes a guy with this for a record...

- He's anti-abortion with a 100% pro-life voting record
- Rated 11% by the NAACP
- 0% on gay rights
- Rated 100% by the Christian Coalition
- Supports prayers in public schools
- Supports mandatory 3 strikes sentencing
- Supports absolute right to gun ownership
- Opposes federally funded health coverage
- In favor of privatizing social security
- Rated 36% by the NEA
- Rated 0% by the League of Conservation Voters
- In favor of tax cuts for the wealthy
- Rated 92% by CATO
- Opposed to campaign finance reform

Hello, this IS a Democratic board. :think:

Votes either help or do damage.

EXTREME!

To call opponents of Hagel "extreme left wing" is a farce. As is the "left wing conversation." He was a key component in instituting Chimp's policies.

EXTREME!
EXTREME!
EXTREME!
EXTREME!

Seriously, you may disagree with me but I hardly see how my O.P. was controversial enough to deserve a "Fuck off."

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Hagel is telling the truth. So he is a conservative, he is also good friends with Biden. I doubt he is gonna vote for McLame.

And I fucking hate Joe. :)

And never said ANYTHING negative about Bush or Cheney. Hagel, however, has only said positive things about Obama and rarely says anything positive about the McCain ticket.

But that doesn't mean it qualifies him for a cabinet level position does it? Do you really want Obama to make a token gesture of bipartisanship by picking one friendly, somewhat moderate Republican and giving him a job in the administration?

Obama must have said thousands of times in various ways that he will have a bipartisan cabinet, and that he will be looking for the most qualified people, regardless of party affiliation. Hagel would be extremely qualified for several important cabinet positions. WHether it will happen, I have no idea, but if Obama wins I think it is quite likely. And no tokenism there.

And his remarks on Palin, rather than making him a great guy, show exactly how corrupt he and his Party really are. She's not qualified, he can not stand McKeating, but he will not endorse Obama, nor say he is voting for Obama, or even say he's not voting. It is a triangulated, Party first position. If he really thinks Palin is unqualified, and hestitates in any way to prevent her from taking office, he is a freaking traitor, not a hero. An anti-gay, anti-choice, right wing conservative traitor, like the rest of his useless Party over country compatriots.
Let him take a clear stand, or he's just another Republican sell out attacking my family while he himself helps destroy the nation. Saying she's not qualified and refusing to endorse those who are is a vile thing to do. It implies that it is fine to elect her anyway, that such a proposition calls for subtle parsing of pharses instead of clear remarks.
Any one with a brain would assume Hagel will vote for his Party's nominee, and serve that nominee in any way he can. Look at his voting record and try to tell me differently. He is pure Pug.

that his party's VP choice is not qualified and that the whole ticket says things that are insulting to the American people requires "subtle parsing"to figure out what he means? OK, whatever....

Here is clear: I am not voting for that unqualified ticket.

What he said is: She sucks but I may still be voting for them. Her being unqualified does not seem to mean he will not be a loyal Party Member, as he is 99% of the time.
Why is he not clearly endorsing Obama? He's parsing and being craven. He's the one parsing by the way, not the listeners. Just as the speaker implies, and the listener infers. You infer that Hagel supports Obama. Hagel did not say that, and did not even imply that.

And he's a bigot this guy you rush to defend.

you'll see that some people here actually thought the same about McCain. Some suggested that he would endorse Kerry or that he could be a potential running mate for Kerry! Just because he was a "maverick" who occasionally criticized his own party, lots of people lost their heads and thought he was secretly on our side.

merely serves to lend legitimacy to the whole farce. He's assisting his Party, as he is a loyal Republican. And he's a giant anti-choice bigot who agrees with Bush on all but the invasion of Iraq.

A condom machine in the Vatican could save many alter boy lives.

And his opinions might sway some Indies.

I just don't think he deserves any real rewards for what he's doing. He's against the war now, but voted for it. His record is staunchly conservative in all other regards except his current opposition to the war. He's a useful guy, sure, but he's not a good guy when it counts, and that's my issue with him.

in cosponsoring the Webb/Hagel troop rest bill and the new GI bill, when he wrote an essay decrying torture and voted to make the CIA conform to the Army Field manual in terms of "enhanced interrogation", when he stood with Obama in the Middle East and defended Obama from McLoon's dishonest attacks (which he certainly didn't have to do)--he showed himself to be a good guy, as least in some respects. Not a perfect guy, and not a Democrat, but a good guy as far as Republicans go.

but I just wanted to point out what a sad state our country is in when "doesn't support torture" is a highlight of a politician's resume. :-(

The OP is pointing out that some poeple thought McCain was all that before, and he claerly wasn't. Now there are people making the same mistake with Hagel, who is a VERY conservative person who just happens to be right on ONE issue.

Seems worth pointing out to me, on a Democratic board, that Repubs aren't our friends, no?. :shrug:

them to the light when they do the right thing, and kick them in the nuts when they don't. No need to saint them, no need to constantly scream "BEWARE! EEEVIL!"

Which is kind of what the OP is trying to get across.

We have some here who think Hagel is worthy of a spot in an Obama administration, and some of us actually remember his record before he became the "in" Repub to like for his stand on the war. His record sucks, and he doesn't belong in a Dem Admin. No one is screaming, constantly or otherwise. We are pointing out that being correct on ONE issue doesn't make him worthy of consideration for a cabinet spot.

than just one issue (and they're big, important issues: war, foreign policy, torture, the right to habeas corpus, military/veterans' issues, intelligence issues) and he's been very helpful to Obama, and he's great friends with Biden--I think he's a smart and trustworthy GOPer whom Obama and Biden could use and work with in certain areas. Of course, I'm a little biased, being a Nebraska resident, but I'd be surprised if Obama didn't tap him for something in his administration (since he's pledged to put in some Republicans anyway). No reason to worry about it, unless Obama puts him in charge of the EPA or something--then it's time to get undies in a knot.

To you. ;)

:)

For example if there is a pro-life, conservative general who would make a good Secretary of Defense that would be fine. His conservative social views wouldn't have a whole lot to do with the job hopefully.

But there's something wrong about rewarding a politician who has actually cast a ton of votes in the Senate that run totally contrary to the Democratic party platform. Hagel has actually helped make a difference for the worse. It's not just a matter of personally held points of view but of real political activity.

That being said I still think it's a mistake to appoint a Republican to Defense or Veterans related positions, which is generally what people here suggest. That seems to send the message that Republicans are indeed better than Democrats on issues of defense and national security.

This is one area where I would like Obama to mimic Bush and I actually hope he's being misleading. Sure, if there was a Republican who was the best man for the job he would hire them. The fact is, there should never be a scenario where there's not a Democrat who would be better qualified for any given job.

conservative GOP non-politicians. Their philosophies are the same, whether a voting record exists or not. And Hagel's job as Senator wasn't to support the Dem party platform, it was to represent Nebraska in the Senate--the votes he cast usually represented the will of his constituents here in this predominantly red state, he didn't just vote the way he did as "political activity" intended to poke Democrats in the eye. I don't know if Obama will "reward" him, but Hagel has helped him far more than Obama had a right to expect over the last six months--and he delivered a sucker punch to the McLoser/Princess YupYup campaign yesterday with his comments.

A conservative General, regardless of his views, wouldn't have helped pass laws in Congress that attack civil rights, threaten the right to choose, shift the tax burden off of the wealthy and onto the middle class, etc. Chuck Hagel has.

I can more easily overlook somebody's knuckle dragging, socially conservative views if they're not actually in a position where they have the power to do anything about it.

That's a little too close to GWB's rationale if you ask me.

all of those other things, makes his point about the ONE big issue all the more compelling.

But a few think that's enough to make him a great guy. One poster earlier today said he "Rawks!" Look at the info I posted above in this thread and tell me what "Rawks!" about his record?

That's the attitude this OP is aimed at, not the one you're taking here. :)

Although reviewing the linked threads again, I think at least one of them obviously doesn't belong there. It was tough searching through the archives to find examples, but you and I both know there has been plenty of praise of John McCain here in the past. I definitely would be embarrassed today if I had posted something like "McCain is an honorable conservative" or "you go McCain" four years ago.

Besides, who says we should not have praised McCain in the past when he broke with his party on issues that are important to us? He clearly is not that McCain and has not been for a few years now. I never wanted him for VP. The fact is, McCain has never come out against Bush they way Hagel has, that's why the comparison doesn't make sense to me. We have a pretty well respected repub senator from a very red state, who served in Vietnam, essentially on board with our campaign and we should not be happy about that? That too does not make sense to me. I can disagree with him on many other issues and still welcome his opinion on the war and foreign policy matters. And I don't think that makes me a fool.

It's easy get excited about someone from the other side seemingly endorsing our candidate but it's also easy to lose sight of the big picture.

It is amazing that the Republican party has come SO low that someone who might disagree with Bush once in a while is seen as so moderate that you have to be EXTREME LEFT WING to not like them :eyes:. Hagel is against everything we stand for and I don't care for him one bit.