Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Unfortunately, Obama is in a lose-lose here.

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU
 
Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 02:28 PM
Original message
Unfortunately, Obama is in a lose-lose here.
Edited on Wed Sep-24-08 02:29 PM by Drunken Irishman
If he cancels the debate, it'll appear he's being led by McCain, which is NOT the image you want to send this close to the election. However, if he presses forward with the debate and McCain refuses to attend, stating the country's economic issues are far more important than one debate, he could look as if he's putting politics above country, something McCain has accused him of doing for months now. Basically, he has to walk a fine line here and not appear as if he's following the leader, but also not putting politics over the nation's concerns.

So what can he do? It's not as easy as saying, "show up and debate a chair," because that can be spun against him. Remember, Obama did so well last week because it seemed he was LEADING and not POLITICKING! So I don't know what he can do. I think it's likely Obama will say there is no need to postpone the debate, however, if McCain does not agree to debate, he won't do it alone, because it could backfire big time.

At least that's how I see it. Flame away.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 02:29 PM
Response to Original message
1. You are wrong......because you don't seem to get the back story
that the media is reporting on.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 02:30 PM
Response to Reply #1
16. What backstory?
McCain's campaign might be dumb, but they're not this dumb. If Obama pushes the debate and McCain rejects it, spending the time in Washington instead, it won't look good for Obama.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mscuedawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 02:37 PM
Response to Reply #16
48. Maybe they mean the fact that Obama made the first step this morning w/a call to McCain
for bipartisanship..
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
fed_up_mother Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 02:29 PM
Response to Original message
2. Suspend campaigns, but not the debate
The debates reach millions of people and the people have a right to know the candidates' views!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 02:29 PM
Response to Original message
3. I don't see it that way because it's just attitude..mccain
is the weak one and Obama will come out on top of this. end of story.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Alter Ego Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 02:29 PM
Response to Original message
4. MSNBC, at least, has realized that Obama was the initiator
which calls McCain's decision and the subsequent WILD overreaction into question.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 02:31 PM
Response to Reply #4
20. Wow, so McLame was just praying for an opening to cancel the debate
it looks like to me.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 02:30 PM
Response to Original message
5. Simply propose to have the debate IN WASHINGTON instead of Mississippi.....
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 02:32 PM
Response to Reply #5
31. Agreed. And Obama ought to go one further:
1. Offer to have the debate in DC to stay close to the bailout talks - can't they spare a couple of hours?

2. Shift the debate topic to domestic/economic affairs and postpone the Foreign Policy debate, since there's no more relevant time to discuss their position on this issue.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ramapo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 02:34 PM
Response to Reply #31
41. Yes...call his bluff
McCain will choke on his own bullshit.

Debate in Washington....no elaborate setup is needed. Change the topic. Let's get it on
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 02:44 PM
Response to Reply #5
62. And switch it from FP to Economy.
Idea courtesy of DUer Kirby.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 02:30 PM
Response to Original message
6. It's certainly a tough position for Obama.
Obama's upcoming statement will certainly affect the way this story is spun in the media.

I hope it's the best statement of his life.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
marew Donating Member (854 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 02:30 PM
Response to Original message
7. Disagree strongly.
Obama has to point out he can handle more than one serious issue at a time...which he can!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mscuedawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 02:35 PM
Response to Reply #7
44. ::Cringing:: but I agree...just posted this somewhere else...
Be prepared...if Obama doesnt agree, you're gonna hear how selfless McCain was to suspend his campaign and how selfish it was of Obama NOT to...and how that shows that the American public is not his first priority...

I'm just going by the negative course of this entire campaign... The old damned if you do and damned if you don't.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ericgtr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 02:30 PM
Response to Original message
8. I disagree this is an opportunity to slam it out of the park
The next leader of our country will carry this burden in two months and the people have a right to hear exactly how. That's all that he needs to say.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 02:30 PM
Response to Original message
9. I think he should go along with McCain and cancel it
And then stonewall rescheduling...keep in mind, the foreign policy debate is the one that is more likely to help McCain.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Starlight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 02:43 PM
Response to Reply #9
60. That's total bs. Neither topic is likely to help McCain. That's why he's so terrified to debate.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 02:44 PM
Response to Reply #9
61. With McCain foreign policy gaffes, I don't see much difference
If I was Obama, I'd suggest having the economic debate first. If McCain doesn't agree, it will be HIM that looks uncaring.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 02:30 PM
Response to Original message
10. The debate isn't "politics"--one of those two men are going to be President, and
our future hangs in the balance. The "crisis" isn't bad enough for the nation to stand still. It's not like 9/11 happened today.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 02:31 PM
Response to Reply #10
23. To you it isn't.
But it can be spun as such. That's the art of perception right there.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 02:35 PM
Response to Reply #23
43. No--the debates aren't mere politics, it's not the Saddleback forum--
it's not the Armstrong cancer forum. This is IT, America's chance to judge these two--the debates have been highly anticipated, people are going to finally be tuning in, on a Friday night, when there is nothing else going on. There's just no good reason to delay this one.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
gblady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 02:33 PM
Response to Reply #10
34. agree....
it's not like this crisis just started this week....
it's been building for a long time, which Barack has pointed out repeatedly...

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 02:48 PM
Response to Reply #10
68. this a financial 9/11 to them
we need to keep on saying NO BAILOUT, Bush is on tonite to spew lies to say again to the American people more lies, oh, the US is in a financial meltdown, blah blah..........it is sickening.

they want the money that is all it is.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 02:52 PM
Response to Reply #68
71. That's true--the GOPers really want a bailout, but want it THEIR way--just give
the money to the fatcats to protect their investments, and then blame Bush and the Democrats. It's financial shock and awe.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 02:30 PM
Response to Original message
11. He can give a speech explaining that presidents can do more than one thing at a time.
I think many will see McCain's efforts as weak, too late, and cowardly.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
alsame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 02:40 PM
Response to Reply #11
56. I agree. Obama should point out that being President means
handling numerous issues at once and he can handle it. If McCain can't, well that's a problem.

One other silver lining here - I'll bet the TV networks are even MORE angtry with McCain right now for threatening to screw up their Friday night schedules.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 02:30 PM
Response to Original message
12. Utter bullshit.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 02:30 PM
Response to Original message
13. Disruptive
j/k I agree this is a sticky situation. But Obama MUST NOT cancel the debate. He needs to figure out a way to smartly handle this economic issue while keeping the debate in tact. The Senate should not be voting friday.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
oviedodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 02:30 PM
Response to Original message
14. THe only way IMHO is to say we could do both.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 02:30 PM
Response to Original message
15. Nah, all he has to do is say McCain is just pulling a political stunt which is exactly what this is.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Starlight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 02:45 PM
Response to Reply #15
63. Yep. It seems like a win-win for Obama.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
budkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 02:31 PM
Response to Original message
17. He needs to say "We need this debate!"
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 02:31 PM
Original message
Obama should call it what it is, another CHEAP POLITICAL STUNT
Edited on Wed Sep-24-08 02:35 PM by Cronus Protagonist
And call McCain to the carpet for ABANDONING HIS RESPONSIBILITIES to the American people.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 02:54 PM
Response to Original message
73. hm....to bailout his friends on Wall Street.
and after talking to Romney, we need to push our Senators and Reps hard and say NO BAILOUT, you can see with Bush talking to the Nation tonite they are just baiting us again, well not all of us.

This cancellation of the debate is disgusting, and the sky is falling rhetoric I am not buying into.

Not with this bunch, first it was oil still is now they want our money. Plain and simple. I will not be insulted by these thugs.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 02:31 PM
Response to Original message
18. He'll have to find some third option.
Some event he can plan to put the attention back on his leadership.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 02:31 PM
Response to Original message
19. Set up an empty chair for the gutless wonder.
It's been done before in other debates.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 02:31 PM
Response to Original message
21. Trash.
Obama's got a real opportunity to bury McCain with this.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 02:31 PM
Response to Original message
22. No. McCain looks like he's afraid or hiding something. /nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
PermanentRevolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 02:31 PM
Response to Original message
24. I think the best idea is to turn it into a weakness for McCain
Just a statement that Obama can easily focus on both issues simultaneously, but if McCain feels he's incapable of doing so, then they're willing to discuss a postponement.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 02:32 PM
Response to Original message
25. I disagree ... He can say he can do both and express disappointment
Edited on Wed Sep-24-08 02:34 PM by LSparkle
Anyone in this country who has to multitask in their
personal life is NOT going to understand why BombBomb
needs to put everything else aside to handle this.

Whorah O'Donnell is already confronting a BombBomb Bot
about this ... This may actually blow up in BombBomb's
face.

On edit: BOMB BOMB CAN'T MULTITASK!!!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 02:32 PM
Response to Original message
26. I disagree
There is no real reason for either of them to suspend, all they have to do is be present for the debate and votes on the economic issues. The people want to hear what the candidates have to say and Obama standing up for that is the best thing.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 02:32 PM
Response to Original message
27. NOW is the perfect time to debate!
There are fundamental differences on how to address an economic crisis. Let's get our plan out there!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mtnester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 02:32 PM
Response to Original message
28. Right now, at my desk, I am doing
5 things


It is easy to make this a "walk and chew gum" thing.

What if we had this crisis, and a terrorist attack at the same time? Which one does McCain put off to deal with the other one?

See how it can spin? Make McCain look weak and disorganized and NOT READY FOR THE PRESSURES AND DUTIES OF THE JOB.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 02:32 PM
Response to Original message
29. I wish that Obama could just
say that they should move Friday's debate to Washington, and change the debate topic to the economy
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 02:32 PM
Response to Original message
30. 1864
In the midst of a CIVIL WAR, we still had an election.

'nuff said.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 02:33 PM
Response to Reply #30
37. We're talkin' debates, not the election.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 02:51 PM
Response to Reply #37
70. We're talking about suspended campaigns
Nobody suspended their campaigns during other crises.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 02:32 PM
Response to Original message
32. no he isnt. ye of NO faith. this is another for obama to kick ass. mccain is a fuck up
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 02:33 PM
Response to Original message
33. you don't look "led" by someone too chickento show up for a debate
you look gracious by saying you're ready to debate him whenever he finally decides he's ready.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
wileedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 02:33 PM
Response to Original message
35. I don't disagree, McCain knew what he was doing here
Edited on Wed Sep-24-08 02:33 PM by wileedog
Obama's best spin IMO would be "While we are certainly facing a financial crisis that needs attention, our men and women and in uniform are facing bullets in 2 wars. I think they and their loved ones also deserve answers about the future of our country and its place in the world. Certainly we can spare 2 hours for that discussion in the face of their sacrifice."

Or could he just be more realistic and say "What the fuck has congress ever solved on a Friday night?"

:)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 02:33 PM
Response to Original message
36. Fraid not.
McCain looks like he's running away. Obama's response should be that he can't hold a debate with himself so he'll have to agree to cancel but this in no way makes Obama look bad.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 02:34 PM
Response to Original message
38. Obama needs to dig in his heels and call bullshit
Tell him that "going back to huddle with the old boy network", etc, etc. We know McCain is going to try to avoid debating so all Obama has to do is hold the line and put the focus on the bail-out that McCain is trying to protect.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
progressive_realist Donating Member (669 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 02:34 PM
Response to Original message
39. Suggest switching the topic to economics.
If McCain still backs out, unleash the surrogates to call him a coward all weekend long while Obama and his core team work with Dem leadership to come up with an alternate plan to the Wall Street bailout.

Lose-lose becomes win-win.

And if McCain accepts a debate on economics this week, the results won't be pretty at all. :evilgrin:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 02:34 PM
Response to Original message
40. Bullcrap. This is a key time to debate. Besides, as President, you must multi-task.
I know that seems, like, sooo hard for McCain/Failin' and their minions to understand, but the executive branch of government actually requires, like, work.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 02:35 PM
Response to Original message
42. McCain won't refuse to attend
that would be too much, even for him.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
flowomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 02:35 PM
Response to Original message
45. I agree DI.... this puts Obama in a bit of a pickle...
it's obviously the minority view among these replies, but I think you're right.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 02:35 PM
Response to Original message
46. I dunno. The "debates" have been going on for almost 2 years now.
Those left standing have already stated or revealed their positions and the media, bloggers and all else interested in the elections are watching what unfolds very carefully.

So who needs those live debates which usually divulge very little else than what we already have seen for those two years?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 02:37 PM
Response to Original message
47. I completely agree with you.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
FloridaGrl Donating Member (615 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 02:37 PM
Response to Original message
49. I disagree
McCain is not going to set the agenda here. One debate on friday night is not going to affect the country's economic crisis. If the fundamentals of the economy is strong then why the rush Mr. McCain? He is desperate.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
godai Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 02:38 PM
Response to Original message
50. Just DELAY the debate to Saturday.
Obama must pin down the new date, in the very near future, if he agrees to a delay, which it seems he must. This whole economic crisis is looking more and more like a rovian ploy, involving the White House and McCain in concert.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 02:43 PM
Response to Reply #50
58. We can't allow Congress SHOVE this half-baked bill down our throats, can't do that by Friday.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
godai Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 02:47 PM
Response to Reply #58
66. High probability of a vote by Friday.
If not, they won't be working on it Saturday night. Watch Bush tonight demand a vote by Friday. Congress is scheduled to adjourn Friday until after the election.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 02:57 PM
Response to Reply #66
76. This is truly insane. More insane than the Patriot Act. If this is so important, we must take ...
at least "a week" (at least!) to work out the details. If not, we are going to merely transfer our hard earned tax dollars to those who ALREADY live in the lap of luxury. And we are saying, "Thank you Sir, take more of my money for your umpteenth mansion." :grr:

Does anyone in Congress think that these potentially criminal corporations (being investigated by the FBI) may need to have their CEOs testify before we "bail them out?" THUGS - and we are going to bail them out. :(
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JBoris Donating Member (675 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 02:38 PM
Response to Original message
51. This country can ... needs to have both the debate and this bill. nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 02:41 PM
Response to Reply #51
57. Exactly, REMEMBER that both "the IWR" and Patriot Act" were also *forced upon us* in short order.
There was no "national discussion."

Dammit, why can't Congress at least stay in session next week if they truly believe that the financial sky is falling?!?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 02:38 PM
Response to Original message
52. It's too bad John McCain..
isn't capable of having a Presidential Debate, and be kept abreast of what is going on in DC. I thought they had use of airplanes at their beck and call.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 02:39 PM
Response to Original message
53. Actually McCain looks like a chicken--looking for a way out.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 02:46 PM
Response to Reply #53
64. To you and I he looks like one...but what bout the independent, or average dumbass voter?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 02:39 PM
Response to Original message
54. Obama can simply offer to buy for McCain the best makeup that money can buy.
McCain can choose the brand and bring an entourage of his own private makeup artists to the TV studio.

Then McCain will be able to rest assured that no TV makeup artist is going to sabotage his political career.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 02:40 PM
Response to Original message
55. Pull a republican: Agree to postpone and also call McCain a coward for postponing
It's win-win.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
EmilyAnne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 02:43 PM
Response to Original message
59. No flames. I think he needs to come out with the exact truth about how things went down.
He reached out to McCain first this morning, McCain agreed to make a joint statement about the economy and the bailout, then proceeded to burn Obama for political gain by canceling the debate.
Clearly, he can't debate a chair. He should speak FROM D.C. about the economy, do an interview, something like that, so as to inform the worried American people about what exactly is being debated right now.

We've been on a string for almost a week now. We're frightened and confused. We get one pitiful little speech by Bush and then a whole bunch of senators and economists saying things like, "the air was sucked out of the conference room once things were explained to us", "OMG its too bad to even repeat to the American people", and "this is no time to scare people, but this could be the worst economic crisis the world has ever seen!!!" Palin is now squawking about how we could very well be on the road to the fricking Great Depression.
Personally, my parents are no longer going to be able to retire any time in the near future and they are both in their mid-sixties.
I want to know exactly what is going on right now according to the two presidential candidates.
I think we deserve this.

McCain knows that, after the events of the last six days, the debates would be watched by a record number of people. He doesn't want that. Now, if Obama goes to D.C. and then steps out to do an hour long interview about exactly what is going on with the media that had already reserved the time slot for the debates, maybe even more people will be watching due to the drama of McCain's cancellation. Maybe this could turn out reasonably well for him.

Just brain storming here.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 02:47 PM
Response to Original message
65. There is a way out...
Here's what O should do:

1. Agree to come back to D.C. to debate the bailout in the Senate.
2. Move the debate Friday evening to D.C. Because I live here, I'll travel anywhere, anytime to witness the debate firsthand!! :yep:
3. Third, Obama needs to take leadership: let America know that he mark of a good leader is being able to do multiple things at the same time and be effective at it!!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Cosmic Charlie Donating Member (684 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 02:47 PM
Response to Original message
67. The Debate is on, Baby!!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 02:49 PM
Response to Original message
69. Fuck these "skip it" ratings....I vote "Must Read"....nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 02:53 PM
Response to Original message
72. can O simply
give a speech....

aimed at the empty podium?

outlining his plans for the economy?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 02:56 PM
Response to Original message
74. Here.... Learn Something
At 8:30 this morning, Senator Obama called Senator McCain to ask him if he would join in issuing a joint statement outlining their shared principles and conditions for the Treasury proposal and urging Congress and the White House to act in a bipartisan manner to pass such a proposal. At 2:30 this afternoon, Senator McCain returned Senator Obama's call and agreed to join him in issuing such a statement. The two campaigns are currently working together on the details.

Wait ... Wait

What's changed today in the financial crisis other than John McCain's poll numbers tanking? Isn't this the campaign equivalent of faking an injury when you're down late in the 4th quarter? Note too that McCain was in the midst of debate prep when he made this decision.

Look at what appears to have happened. Obama reached out to McCain privately to agree to a shared set of bailout principles. McCain went off the handle again and tried to use the crisis as a way to call off the debates.

--Josh Marshall
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
gal Donating Member (534 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 02:57 PM
Response to Original message
75. He needs to continue the debate.
This is political move by McSame and if Obama lets him get away with it I have to wonder how he will stand up to other leaders.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 03:09 PM
Response to Original message
77. I'm missing how and why both isn't the option
McCain just proves again that he isn't at all up for the job.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Sun May 05th 2024, 02:26 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC