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JimGinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 12:32 AM
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Liberal PACs Ready Attack Ad on McCain’s Health
Two liberal groups – one of them directed by a brother of the Democratic Party chairman Howard Dean – will begin running a graphic attack advertisement Thursday morning raising questions about Senator John McCain’s health. Showing vivid and unflattering images of the fresh scar that appeared on Senator McCain’s face immediately after his last operation for melanoma skin cancer eight years ago, the commercial ends with a screen headline that reads, “Why won’t John McCain release his medical records?” (Mr. McCain, 72, did invite a limited group of reporters to inspect more than 1,100 pages of his medical records in May, though he gave them only a three-hour window in which to review the documents.)

The commercial is among the harshest to run against Mr. McCain yet, seeking to exploit the sensitive issues of health and age. Officials with the groups running the ad, Brave New PAC and Democracy for America, said they were only showing the spot initially on MSNBC over the next few days, a limited run intended to draw news media attention on a network that has increasingly catered to liberal tastes.

Officials at the groups, both of which are political action committees that rely on individual donors, said they hoped to show the spot on stations in battleground states in the coming weeks as well. But it is unclear if individual stations will accept the spot: Leighton Akio Woodhouse, a spokesman for Brave New PAC, said late Wednesday that CNN declined to accept the commercial after reviewing its contents this week.

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“We think this is an election issue,’’ said Mr. Woodhouse of Brave New PAC. When asked why the groups chose to show such graphic imagery of Mr. McCain’s scars, Mr. Woodhouse said, “We have pictures of him with a scar to show that he has a history of surgery.”


More at link

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/25/liberal-pacs-ready-attack-ad-on-mccains-health/

I don't know if this is such a great idea...

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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 12:33 AM
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1. Doesn't matter. They are only 527s. Not related to Obama's campaign.
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FVZA_Colonel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 12:49 AM
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11. It will to the Republicans.
They'll go screeching about how those "Evil Democrats" are launching "ageist" attacks against a man who was a "POW for 5.5 years!"
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 12:33 AM
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2. I don't know if this is such a good idea either... it reeks of desperation and Obama isn't desperate
Edited on Thu Sep-25-08 12:34 AM by Liberal_in_LA
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RichardUK Donating Member (47 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 12:40 AM
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7. Surely this is an important issue?
This message board has many posts about McCains health. As well as a candidate's judgment and resume, surely his physical condition is equally relevant in determining his suitability. Especially so in McCain's case because his VP is so clearly unqualified. There's no reason for his health to be a taboo. It's not the same as playing race cards for example. Skin colour makes no difference, your life expectancy possibly being less than four years absolutely is. I don't think it's desperate to question his fitness, I think it's crucial it's discussed.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 12:35 AM
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3. Considering who would take over if anything happened to him. McSame's health is a very big issue.
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Stop Cornyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 12:36 AM
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4. I wish they would attack his health care plan instead
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spag68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 12:56 AM
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15. You have my vote
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intaglio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 03:20 AM
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25. McCain is happy with his healthcare plan
Congress Members get all those benefits paid for by the Government ...

Oh ... did you mean his poor subsidise the rich plan? Sorry
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 07:40 PM
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35. Yes. nt
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 12:37 AM
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5. This is an awful idea
it will cause an uproar and be another stupid distraction like the lipstick on a pig thing. I hope the campaign makes them pull it.
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GrizzlyMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 12:39 AM
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6. It is the right thing to do
Obama has damn near put this thing away. I believe his support has been UNDER REPORTED and UNDER POLLED. When you have someone down on the deck, as we do now, you step on their throat and finish them off.

This is what we (our side) should do. It's ugly, but winning is really the only thing that matters given the consequences of defeat.
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abumbyanyothername Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 12:41 AM
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8. If we are voting on running the ad
I vote no.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 12:41 AM
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9. His age & health are 100% real issues here...
We only got the most cursory glance at a few of his medical records.. no notebooks, no cameras, a few "select" newspeople, in a room with no windows all the way out in AZ for what .. two hours?

He's old, he's sick, the campaign itself has nearly exhausted him... He is trying to call a "time-out" on the debate..

And he a.. a... cipher for a VP who is so insubstantial that she can't even stand on her own two feet and answer the simplest question without coaching.
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 12:46 AM
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10. This one is a no for me...I think they will use it to attack Obama
and old people may get offended. I don't like it...but we always take the high road. As I was typing I was thinking about the ads being run in Michigan that link Obama with every black crook in the nation. They do some really nasty slimy stuff but I don't like us to do it. Oh screw it..i'm totally conflicted on this one!
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GrizzlyMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 12:51 AM
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13. This is how I deal with it
Edited on Thu Sep-25-08 12:52 AM by GrizzlyMan
I ask myself, as ugly as this is, would I support if it meant something that would work in our favor as to how the election turned out? Would it make a difference in winning and losing?

The consequences for this country if McCain wins are so immense, it's chilling. Think about a Palin presidency if the old bastard kicks off during his term? Think about what that would bring, not just to this country but to the rest of the world. People like Putin would be emboldened, god knows who else.


I have no problem running the ad because I think we have to leave it all on the field, to borrow a sports metaphor.

If there is a conflict it's more about Obama's "former advisor" being a problem with the media coverage, not the content.

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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 12:49 AM
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12. Every nail in the coffin. We need to humiliate the Rethugs this time.
No prisoners.
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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 12:54 AM
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14. Hell yes they need to question McCain's health.
Even without Palin in the picture a person running for President of the United States has got to demonstrate fitness for the job. Leave no stone unturned I say.
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trueblue2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 01:02 AM
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19. McCain isn't fit.
I bet my life on he is a sick...very sick old man.
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 12:57 AM
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16. PC be damned, I say go for it. It needs to be out there. Mccain's health is a valid
concern (or it should be, seriously).

If the campaign can't address it directly, I understand that but that's what those 527's are for.

Roll 'em out!
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Baltoman991 Donating Member (869 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 12:58 AM
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17. In 2000
Bush and company had no problems running McCains name into the mud.

In 04 we thought they went way over the line when they questioned the Patriotism of John Kerry and Max Cleland. Well, we all saw what happened there.

I say screw it, use the ads. Get down in the damn dirt with them. Don't think for one minute that they wouldn't use it if the roles were reversed.
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MelSC Donating Member (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 01:00 AM
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18. Not a good idea!
We have so much going for us now...why even go there?



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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 01:15 AM
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21. 18 posts.
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moriah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 02:11 AM
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24. At least the person was respectful.
I admit that McCain's health is a concern to me.

It is part of the reason why Sarah Palin scares the beJesus out of me, pun intended.

But I don't know if it is something that needs to be pointed out in that fashion, I'm just glad it's a 30 second spot and no longer of having to see that picture.

Then again, McCain-supporting PACs have no problem running graphic pictures of fetuses or other war veterans suffering from their injuries, and it is good in that it points out the Media's decision to not show that side of his face -- very reminiscent of their decision never to show Roosevelt from the waist down.
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cosmodem Donating Member (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 07:39 PM
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33. hi
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 01:18 AM
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23. Welcome to DU!
:hi:
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cosmodem Donating Member (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 07:38 PM
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32. I agree. Why go into the gutter with this discriminatory ad. We need to
think of the cancer survivors--and their relatives and friends out there. This does NOT put the Democrats in a good light.
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 07:41 PM
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36. Because his death could land us with Palin the airhead.
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FVZA_Colonel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 01:10 AM
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20. I agree; I'm just not sure if it's a good idea.
I suppose I can hope that either: A. Barack denounces it as soon as possible and it gets pulled, B. they manage to block it beforehand, C. it gets swept away by the economy and bail-out talks.
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IndependentDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 01:15 AM
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22. you can watch the ad here...
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JimGinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 10:26 AM
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26. Thanks For The Link nt
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 10:27 AM
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27. saw one in amarillo texas this morning on scars show. was excellent. made me pause. n/t
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 10:28 AM
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28. This is wrong and nasty
I do not think we should be proud of this. I saw the DFA ad this morning.
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JimGinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 04:39 PM
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29. I Put This OP Up Last Night & Now I've Seen Several Threads About It...
This article at least illuminates it somewhat.
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cosmodem Donating Member (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 04:42 PM
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30. It is a VERY bad idea. And Dean's brother directs the ads!!
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 04:43 PM
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31. He made his health the issue by appointing an extremist fundamentalist idiot.
Once he appointed an unqualified extremist VP candidate, he made his health an issue.

Sorry pal. No delicacy required. You pushed us into this by choosing such a dangerous deputy.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 07:40 PM
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34. Saw it today - I don't know...
made me uncomfortable.
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ChimpersMcSmirkers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 07:53 PM
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37. This will work out quite well I predict. Mooseburger is crashing and burning in a way that
that frankly, is rivaling my wildest dreams. She is unqualified for the office pure and simple. She also might be a heartbeat away. McDouchebagg is 72 and has had cancer 4 times. The math is simple.

Initially, folks are a bit shocked when they first see the ad. My wife and I were, but it reminded us quite graphically, that he's not going to last much longer. Folks may get turned off by the shock, but the message will stick.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 08:01 PM
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38. a 72 year old man
with health issues, who made a disastrous pick for his VP? I'd say this was a huge issue. Republicans can not talk about ads. This one is true, while theirs on the other hand have been proven lies. Time and time again.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 08:02 PM
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39. My mom told me about this adafter she saw it. I think it is an
excellent ad for the 527s to run. My Mom watches a lot of news, but until this summer she'd had no idea that McCain had ever had cancer. Based on that, I suspect a lot of people have no idea of the state of McCain's health. It might not be so important if Caribou Barbie wasn't his running mate.


For comparison, look at what happened with Paul Tsongas.
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renate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 08:19 PM
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41. so there are people who don't know that there's a valid reason to talk about his health?
Interesting. I wonder if that'll be worth a couple of points.

On a slightly different topic, I wonder whether an ad saying, "hey, McCain has a history of lifethreatening cancer--do you really want Palin to become president?" would be better than this one, which (I haven't seen it) sounds slightly ghoulish. It wouldn't be at all ageist, the way that other "McCain's probably going to die in office" ads and articles could be seen as.
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barack the house Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 08:10 PM
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40. I'd prefer an ad on policy his health is self expalnatory his VP supporters know that>
it's why they are praying he wins and he then meets misfortune. An atrocious way of thinking but an awareness they know his health condition.
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