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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 08:29 AM
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Clintons are playing both sides.
They need to stay viable for a run in 2012.

Ergo:

1) No criticizing Sarah Palin. They need any female who wants a woman to be President simply because she is a woman.
2) Go easy on McCain. He looks like a one termer, or even half termer.
3) Help Obama so they don't piss off Democrats, but not enough so he wins.

It all makes sense.
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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 08:30 AM
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1. They're playing the Clinton side, as always
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BumRushDaShow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 08:31 AM
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2. Triangulation. n/t
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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 08:40 AM
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14. word!
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 08:31 AM
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3. big time, and they aren't fooling anyone
Edited on Thu Sep-25-08 08:32 AM by TexasObserver
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 08:32 AM
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4. No. That is not what is going on.
They are backing Obama. They are attempting to draw in independents and conseratives. They do that, not by personally attacking the opponenet. They do that by highlighting differences. Just like Obama is doing.

They have no need to "preach to the choir." I know you want them to attack her kids, and ignorance, and religion. That will not happen. Bill Clinton is a former President. Hillary is a sitting Senator.

And further: they are likely acting at the direction of the Obama campaign.
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Boz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 08:34 AM
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6. At this point, this morning, these behaviors over the last two days, its not just a river in egypt
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 08:34 AM
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7. Did Obama direct Bill to make McCain the opening speaker at the Clinton Global Initiative?
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 08:36 AM
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9. Sorry, I ain't buyin' it
It's just too obvious what's going on.
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October Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 08:36 AM
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10. Yes. You're right. Thanks for posting.
It's easy to get caught up in all these posts when you want Bill and Hill out there raging against the machine -- but they're being smart about it. They'd be subject to attack themselves. This way, they come across more impartial. Bill will compliment, compliment...then SLAM...compliment, compliment...SLAM.

I hope it works in attracting the 20% of Hillary supporters back to our side.
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endthewar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 08:40 AM
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15. Hillary 2012 is alive and well.
They aren't even trying to hide it anymore. If I was Obama, I would think twice before sending Bill Clinton out on the stump in an important battleground state.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 08:55 AM
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20. As ever, you're wrong as wrong can be, emerald. No one wants
Bill or Hillary to trash McCain or Palin, let alone their families, but evidently it's just too much to expect that Bill will refrain from praising both of them at EVERY opportunity. It's too much to expect that he won't LIE for McCain. It's disgusting, but feel free to continue acting as an apologist for the indefensible.
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FKA MNChimpH8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 08:57 AM
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22. HRC is backing Obama
Bill has an entirely different agenda, which is proven by his stated unwillingness to criticize Grampy or Mooselini. He is a SHPOS. And to think I once respected and defended this man.
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 09:01 AM
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26. Thanks for some sanity. Hillary and Bill are following the same tone that Obama has set with
his comments. They are staying on message with Obama's campaign, i.e. no personal attacks, but emphasize how the Democratic platform is far superior on the issues.

If Obama wants attack dogs, there are others who can be used for that. He will release them when he is ready.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 08:33 AM
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5. That's how they roll.
No worries, they've got plenty of apologists who are willing to twist themselves into a pretzel to blindly and vociferously defend their bullshit.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 08:35 AM
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8. it is so nice of bill clinton to create a fight for obama with his own GD people. clinton
has just added MORE work for obama as people on this site tell me be nice, look what you are doing ot obama. well, fuck that shit. look what clinton is doing to obama
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TornadoTN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 08:39 AM
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12. Agreed - I'm done with Clinton and his ilk
I've been on a roller coaster this year with this man. I'm tired of being excited about Bill and then get stabbed in the back in the next breath. No wonder people are fed up with their bullshit - it just took me longer to figure it out.

I'll put it as delicately as I can - fuck him and his ilk. He's done more to hurt our party and our candidate this year than any Republican could ever dream of doing.
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 08:37 AM
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11. If I'm alive in 2012, I will not vote for any of them. Sorry guys. nt
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Politicub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 08:39 AM
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13. I am so over Hillary and Bill
And I was a Hillary supporter orginally during this election cycle. The stakes are too high for their deadly games of triangulation. They should be pulling out all the stops to help Obama, but they're not.

Well screw both of them. They're part of the old gaurd that will hopefully be put in the past for once and for all.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 08:40 AM
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16. No respect for either of them anymore. n/t
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FloridaGrl Donating Member (615 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 08:42 AM
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17. I don't think it's the "Clintons"
I think it's Bill and his ego. Hillary is on board for Obama.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 08:48 AM
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18. I'm not sure, mostly because she's avoiding talking about Palin.
She talks around it all the time when she must have some opinion on her capabilities. She said WAY harsher things about Obama than she ever has about Palin.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 08:56 AM
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21. Don't blame Hillary; I'm sure she realizes the media wants a
cat fight so she's avoiding one. As for Bill, meh. Fight amongst yourselves. I'm done with him. When he's diagnosed with schizophrenia, get back to me.
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Tarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 08:51 AM
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19. "I rated this thread: Disruptive"
This should be a day for roasting McCain over the coals for his cowardice in running away from the Obama debate, where he knows he's going to get his ass handed to him.

Instead, we get a sad sack of Clinton-haters...a group that seems to have more numbers here than they do at the free republic...whining and pissing their tired, whiny critiques.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 09:02 AM
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27. Hey - as all the Obama people have said to McCain
We can chew gum and walk at the same time.

Clinton should have publicly told McCain that if he thought his presence was that needed in DC - he should go immediately and that he would deal with the hole in the schedule. All McCain did yesterday was give TV interviews patting himself on the back for putting country first. Yet, as Dodd said, McCain has NOT been involved, while Obama has - via telephone. Even McCain should know what a telephone is - it was invented in the 1870s. If McCain could sacrifice these 24 hours for this selfserving speech and TV interviews, maybe he could have spent that time in DC, and made the debate.
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Tarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 09:09 AM
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32. Pissing over Clinton should or should not have done is ridiculous
Its never enough. Clintons won't concede (then they do), Clintons are hogging the convention (where they forcefully call out the PUMAs and enthusiastically endorse Obama), then they're not saying what some internet forum activists think they should say at a certain day at a certan time, etc...etc...

I've about have enough of this shit.
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 08:57 AM
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23. What a bunch of crap ! Here is what the Clintons do best......
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/sleuth/?hpid=news-col-blogs

09/25/2008
Hillary Clinton Back In the Saddle, Raising Cash for Dems
The Senate Democrats' star player is back in the game.

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) held a big fundraiser at her swank Embassy Row home, known as Whitehaven, Tuesday night to raise money for Senate Democrats, who are hoping to gain four to seven seats on Election Day. The event, hosted by the Women's Senate Network of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, was Clinton's first fundraiser for the DSCC since ending her presidential campaign. And it was a big one.

The suggested donation to attend the "Checklist for Change" cocktail buffet dinner at the Clintons ranged from a measly $1,000 to a whopping $28,500.

The DSCC wouldn't cough up how much money was raised at the event but a well-placed source familiar with the fundraiser said the total amount was in the "hundreds of thousands of dollars."


Without a working majority in the Congress winning the presidency will be meaningless.

But keep it up. Keep pissing off Clinton supporters. You don't need them anyway. Check the polls. The election is a runaway for Obama.
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Balderdash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 09:06 AM
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30. Yep, I dunno but it looks like some "Democrats" just
want a knock down drag out fight and don't understand a thing about nuance.
I hope Bill keeps doing what he does best, talking to Independents in that
slow southern drawl.
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 09:14 AM
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37. Fox was touting the 42% of Hillary supporters that have not committed to Obama.....
Yesterday on Greta VS. In June 58% of Hillary supporters said they would support Obama. In September - now - 58% say they will support Obama.

If true (I doubt it) that is not good in a close election. If even only half true, still pretty bad.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 08:58 AM
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24. Yep. You got it.
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 08:59 AM
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25. they are a disease to the democratic party.
Edited on Thu Sep-25-08 08:59 AM by meow mix
they need to be expelled, why do they remind me so much of lieberman =(
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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 09:11 AM
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35. Up your meds
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SIMPLYB1980 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 09:04 AM
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28. Yawn. They are doing what Obama wants them to.
But hey keep up the hate we know it's because McCain is slipping in the polls.
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 09:06 AM
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29. If this were true, don't you think Obama has enough sense to see this?
If you truly feel that Obama has what it takes to run the country then you should at least give him credit for having what it takes to run a successful campaign. Whatever he's doing, it seems to be working so far.
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MSU_Spartans Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 09:09 AM
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31. I wouldn't bundle Hillary in this
She seems to genuinely want Obama to win. I don't know what the hell Bill is doing though. Maybe McCain offered him a spot somewhere.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 09:09 AM
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33. Fuck the Clintons. We'll win without them.
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Balderdash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 09:10 AM
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34. You really are in the bag for McCain nt
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 09:12 AM
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36. Next time you Clinton-only supporters get together to discuss the day's talking points....
Edited on Thu Sep-25-08 09:13 AM by BlooInBloo
You all should try to make sure that they MAKE SENSE!

:rofl:


EDIT: You guys HAVE done a commendable job thus far, of fooling a lot of people about the Clintons. Methinks it's not working any more.
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