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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 02:15 PM
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Are any of you worried that Obama may vote for the bailout bill while McCain votes against it?
I can see it. It looks like there has been an agreement then when the time for a vote comes Obama votes for it and McCain votes against it. Then McCain will claim independence from Bush and try to paint Obama as putting Wall Street ahead of regular folks. This is a unpopular bill. Obama will always do anything in good faith but McCain will do anything just to score political points.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 02:16 PM
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1. "I'm very worried."
"I hope you're right."

"Fine, keep your head in the sand."

"What's next, will I be purged."

...
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 02:27 PM
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10. I'm not sure I get what you are saying, but ok.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 02:16 PM
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2. McCain voting on ANYTHING controversial would be a switch--usually, he abstains
Edited on Thu Sep-25-08 02:17 PM by wienerdoggie
if there's any political risk.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 02:28 PM
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12. he'll have no choice on this.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 02:16 PM
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3. at a certain point in time, we as supports just gotta trust obama is clever and
knows what he is doing.

i have seen him repeatedly do a good job

i will leave it there
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Kutjara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 02:17 PM
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4. I'd be very surprised if McCain doesn't vote against it...
Edited on Thu Sep-25-08 02:22 PM by Kutjara
...or at least abstain. This whole bailout thing has the stink of "setup" all over it. Presumably, though, the Obama camp has already considered this possibility.
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 02:17 PM
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5. If there are enough votes for it to pass
Edited on Thu Sep-25-08 02:18 PM by CJCRANE
then Obama doesn't need to be there.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 02:28 PM
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13. NO he can't not take a position and not vote, he would be attacked for that.
Edited on Thu Sep-25-08 02:37 PM by WI_DEM
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 02:29 PM
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15. He has to be there. He has to vote.
Especially since he's already vulnerable on the "voting present" thing. He absolutely cannot duck the vote and let McCain accuse him of ducking tough choices that a president would have to make.
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 02:17 PM
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6. I trust him to do the right thing. n/t
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 02:18 PM
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7. Yes I've discussed the "Set Up" theory on a few threads now.
I do want to be sure McSame signs any bailout.

His Chief Financial Adviser Phil Gramm and he have pushed deregulation year after year. They pushed to deregulate banking and now a bailout is needed DUE TO THEIR POLICIES, so they should not be allowed to distance themselves from the bailout.

They caused it. They'd better fix it. No weaseling out allowed.
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 02:23 PM
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8. I'm not worried at all...Obama has laid out
specific things he wants to see in the bill. If the bulk of what he wants is there, he will probably vote for it. Meanwhile McCain hasn't said anything about what is in that bill or what he would agree with or not.
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Parker CA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 02:42 PM
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25. Exactly!!
Obama set himself up perfectly from the onset by providing specific requirements he would need in the bill in order to support it. If he votes in favor and McLiar votes against, Obama simply has to explain perfectly that although this is not the perfect situation, that his requirements were met, that the resolution was met on terms he felt comfortable with, and that he would move forward as he said he would from day one.

McLiar will not have his specific set of standards he is expecting from this bill to base his decision on. Although he has explained some issues, he has not done so nearly as succinctly and often as Obama.

Obama will clearly be able to justify ANY decision he makes in this process and defend all action and reasoning that led him to such a decision. Pragmatism will win in the end, even if McLiar votes "no," because Obama has walked a steady and direct path from the beginning of this debacle.

Trust that our candidate has his next dozen moves plotted out in this chess match. Like in the final match in "Searching for Bobby Fischer," Obama, like Joshua, has his opponent in check mate although the final move is still a dozen steps away. He offered McLiar a draw on this issue yesterday with the opportunity to make a joint response, but McLiar double-crossed him and pulled this stunt. Obama can continue on with his game plan, McLiar can believe that he has a chance to prevail, but the reality is that Obama's clear foresight granted him the ability to make decisions that will surely end with McLiar in checkmate. No doubt.

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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 02:27 PM
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9. Who can seriously think either one has a choice?
The "Economic Pearl Harbor" fix is in, already.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 02:27 PM
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11. Digby, Greenwald, and Political Insider are...
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jjanpundt Donating Member (284 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 02:29 PM
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14. Hasn't Obama said many times that he will not support a plan
that does not include his 4 points?
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samuraiguppy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 02:31 PM
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16. I worry about everything.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 02:31 PM
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17. No, because he'd have to come up with a full-fleshed out alternative.
And we all know he can't do that.
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CowboyHeyHey Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 02:33 PM
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18. What order do they vote in?
Alphabetical, by state, McCain would go first. Alphabetical, by name, McCain would go first. I don't really see how this would happen. Besides, Obama will vote based on what makes it into the bill (and doesn't), not on political gamesmanship, so he'll be ready to defend his vote, if need be. McCain will do whatever his failing little Maverick heart tells him to do, then go on TV saying the opposite, then angrily report that he was misquoted or misinterpreted, but he'll get back to us with his real answer if we just give him tomorrow night off to think about it.

Is it November yet?
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 02:36 PM
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20. True, Biden would actually go first, and I'm assuming he and Obama would vote the same.
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RichGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 02:36 PM
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19. If us regular folk, the real people...
...us average joes and hockey moms and grannys and people who balance their checkbooks every month....think we are smarter than the person we chose to be our candidate, then we need to join the republican party.

I trust that Obama will do what is best...whatever that may be.

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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 02:38 PM
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22. It's not about not trusting Obama, it's about not trusting McCain
he has proven to be untrustworthy and his word means nothing.
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 02:37 PM
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21. After watching Obama handle this crisis the last few days...
I'm no worried at all. He has shown his ability to work under pressure more times than not and I am amazed each time:D He truly is going to make a great President.
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azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 02:38 PM
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23. ....
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 02:40 PM
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24. Suspend his campaign and then vote against this?
If he spends his time in DC stalling on an agreement when he just painted a doom and gloom scenerio over why a plan needs to be passed ASAP, then he's going to look even more ridiculous than he already does.

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