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lanparty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 10:41 PM
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MSNBC focus group on Zell Miller's speach

Is lauding Zell Miller's speach.

They say that because "He's a Democrat, he is more convincing".

Well shit, if being a Democrat is the standard for integrity, John Kerry should be a landslide. These people are COMPLETE sheep.
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JPJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 10:43 PM
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1. Yeah, we're getting hammered in the focus group
Kerry's against the military! It's true, because Zell said it, and he's a Democrat!
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mbali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 10:43 PM
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2. No one takes Luntz "focus groups" seriously
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DaveinMD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 10:43 PM
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3. remember
Luntz chose the focus group. The media is hammering Zell. There will be a backlash to this speech.
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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 10:45 PM
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10. Luntz is a smarmy idiot
one gal has some guts here...

She said that 'sensitive' was taken out of context. The repub didn't know what 'context' meant - you could see in his eyes.
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lanparty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 10:51 PM
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22. Worse than that, they misquoted Kerry ...

And said Kerry wants us to "Get in touch with our 'sensitive' side". They NEVER just give straight quotes. They're always characterizations of quotes.

The biggest problem here is that
1) Zell Miller used to be on Kerry's side when Kerry was making these votes.
2) Dick Cheney advocated for even BIGGER cuts in military and intelligence spending.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 10:44 PM
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4. Does Paul O'Nreill being a Republican make his criticisim of Bush
convincing to pollster Frank Luntz's focus group?
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The empressof all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 10:44 PM
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5. These folks who are saying positive things about Zell now
They will feel like total idiots after they see Zell's true character revealed after the speech.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 10:44 PM
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6. Focus Group Of Freepers?
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 10:44 PM
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7. this doesn't make any sense?
how are they tracking this? who are these people?

This show looks ridiculous.
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 10:44 PM
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8. Don't worry about it
Cincinnati is very conservative and the Democrats here are pretty weak.
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minkyboodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 10:44 PM
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9. tweety needs to call Luntz on this
Stand up for truth even against your own moron correspondents Chris!
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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 10:45 PM
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11. What are these people thinking?
Just goes to show that negative works!
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Raven Macabre Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 10:47 PM
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13. I swear...
those people are either freepers or unadulterated morons who joined a focus group cause it would be fun. Save for those 2 ladies who seem pretty knowledgable.
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 10:46 PM
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12. If americans are as stupid as those folks, they DESERVE *
But...we're definitely smarter, I KNOW we are!
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RadiDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 10:48 PM
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14. The guy in the mechanic's shirt is a 'MORAN' ! LOL -eom
vvv
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Mick Knox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 10:48 PM
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15. 11 of 17 more likely to vote for Bush now?
what sheelples.
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GingerSnaps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 10:54 PM
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30. They were going to vote for Bush in the first place
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annxburns Donating Member (948 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 10:48 PM
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16. Ick. Now Tweety will be all like "Oh it worked for Bush"
Zell did a great job.

What a whore ....

Wait till those idiots see Zell challenge Matthews to a fight.

Believe me. Lies about Kerry won't be news. But a Senator freaking out on a reporter will be ALL OVER THE NEWS. Zell won't have a shred of credibility left.
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sampsonblk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 10:48 PM
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17. That Zell-out kicked our butts tonight
Edited on Wed Sep-01-04 10:49 PM by sampsonblk
Our convention should have featured some body blows as well. Might have had a real bump then.

Anyway, 2 months till the election. We are going to have to work hard.
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 10:49 PM
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18. Please don't take this seriously
Luntz is a rethug pollster and this is bullshit, like all his "focus groups" (aka freepers posing as neutrals).
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 10:50 PM
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21. jinx
we posted that at almost the same time. :)
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 10:51 PM
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23. Great minds think alike
Sometimes... ;)
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 10:49 PM
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19. Luntz is a GOP operative fer crisakes
Ignore him and his focus group propaganda
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 10:53 PM
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28. I sure as HELL hope so. nt
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Zen Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 11:58 PM
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39. Luntz polls for the White House. I don't know why MSNBC uses him.
Uhhhh, but then perhaps I do.
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redstateblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 12:05 AM
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40. MS(NBC)=GE=War Profiteer=War Is Good
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 10:49 PM
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20. Now, you all know what us Cincinnati DU'ers go thru.
I work with people like this focus group all the time.
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lanparty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 10:54 PM
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29. One question ...

Who is Drew Carrey for????

He seems like a Democrat guy. But he looks a bit like Dennis Hastert's younger clone.
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 10:55 PM
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31. Drew Carey is from Cleveland.
I have no idea.
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lanparty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 10:58 PM
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33. Oh, I know ..

But he's the most visible Ohian in the country!!!!

Maybe HE should run for Senate in Ohio.
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BillZBubb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 10:59 PM
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35. Carey claims to be libertarian.
I think you can guess what that means...
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 10:51 PM
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24. Those were the stupidest people I've ever seen.
They're distorting Kerry's record, and Kerry is letting them get away with it.

GODDAMMIT ATTACK THEM ON THE WAR ON TERROR AND ATTACKING IRAQ, FOR CHRIST'S FUCKING SAKE!!!!!!!!!!!
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sampsonblk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 10:52 PM
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25. Good News: Kobe and Hurricane Frances
Edited on Wed Sep-01-04 10:52 PM by sampsonblk
Hopefully those two stories will dominate the news through Saturday.
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Screaming Lord Byron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 10:52 PM
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26. These sorts of focus groups are next to worthless.
Opinions are very malleable immediately after a speech. The next morning is the crucial test.
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 10:53 PM
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27. Most stupid people including "swing voters" don't watch conventions
They didn't see Zellout
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 10:56 PM
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32. Luntz is an advisor to the bush campaign...
his credibility is exactly zilch as are his faux "focus groups".
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DaveinMD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 10:58 PM
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34. in a convention environment
you should get that many. As the media reacts and Democrats get their talking points out, the bounce will disappear.
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BillZBubb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 11:01 PM
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36. because "He's a Democrat, he is more convincing
So, I guess to them, because Benedict Arnold was an American, he would have convinced them to go over to the British?
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RevolutionStartsNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 11:05 PM
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37. Almost broke the hotel TV...
Those were the stupidest fucking undecideds I've ever seen, save 1 or 2 of them. They were just lapping up the bullshit. If that's the undecided voting public, we're finished.
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 11:55 PM
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38. The fact is that negative attacks work - don't fool yourselves!
Has anyone been paying attention for the last few elections?

The right wing controls every branch of government.

It is impossible to deny that attacking the other guy is part of almost any successful modern U.S. political campaign.
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