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Hoosier Democrat Donating Member (386 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 10:02 AM
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I'm starting to lose hope for this year....
Now, please don't all go off on me, accusing me of "defeatism" or anything like that. I have never wanted to win an election more than I want to see us win back the White House this fall, but I'm having issues.

My biggest issue is that, to me, Kerry is starting to run a phenomenally stupid campaign. He's getting the crap kicked out of him nightly on the evening news, and he just seems to go on his merry way. maybe he might use a surrogate like Max Cleland, but that is not enough. He needs to GET OFF HIS ASS AND COME OUT SWINGING!!!!!!!!!!! They want to question his military record, he needs to go on TV and Point-Blank say "Mr. Bush, why don't you answer some questions about YOUR military record (cough, cough, deserter, cough, cough)." They want to question his legislative record, he needs to question Bush's record as Governor. (Not much there, so questions might be hard.) There was a great line in "The Untouchables" where Sean Connery's character describing how to take on Capone. It went something like: "Tey pull a knife, we pull a gun. They send one of ours to the hospital, we send one of theirs to the morgue. THAT's how you take on Bush, er, I mean, Capone (Wrong criminal)."

Yes, I know this week is hard to get coverage because of "Nurenberg-on-the-Hudson", but Kerry needs to be out there, not wind-surfing off of Cape Cod. We were out to dinner earlier this week and there was a TV on in the resaraunt. CNN was showing Kerry windsurfing. My youngest son looked at it and asked "Dad, shouldn't he be out meeting people instead of screwing off?" Out of the mouths of babes!

Maybe I'm just hyper-paranoid here because I am a veteran of the Dukakis campaign (AKA Democratic Titanic) and I know how the Bush crime family operates their campaigns. But I see the polls slowly ticking to Bush in a LOT of battleground states (FL, PA, OH, WV, WI, IA, etc) and I don't want to see us beaten because we were too afraid to speak out. COME ON, SENATOR, GET YOUR ASS IN GEAR AND TAKE THE GLOVES OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PLEASE!!!!!!!!!:nuke:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 10:03 AM
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 10:05 AM
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4. although Kerry did campaign
he was campaigning in tennessee on tuesday, gave a speech on wednesday, and on monday edwards gave a speech. and of course at midnight kerry will hold a rally in ohio to respond to bush's speech.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 10:08 AM
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9. It's also accepted tradition that they use decorum on the floor of
their conventions but that didn't happen last night....don't be fooled by the media going after Zell on his facts...it won't last and the damage he did is not measurable at this time...Miller needs to have his credibility destroyed in 24 hours
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chiburb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 10:17 AM
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13. At least nobody was watching...
At least nobody besides Republicans. So it seems that Zell was ranting to the choir...
This is from the Chicago Trib, and compared to normal prime time ratings these seem paltry:

You can tell that by looking at the dismal numbers for CNN by comparison. CNN had 2.6 million viewers on Monday night and just 1.5 million on Tuesday night. Fox, on the other hand, jumped from 1.4 million on Monday to 5.2 million on Tuesday.

What that meant is that by Tuesday night, Fox edged NBC, which had 5.1 million viewers, CBS, which had 4.4 million and ABC with 4.3 million. MSNBC came in with 1.6 million.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/specials/elections/conventions/rnc/chi-madiganrnc,1,4935218.story?coll=chi-homepage-fea
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Joylaughter Donating Member (498 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 10:11 AM
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11. Preemptive strikes are NOT
a tradition.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 10:04 AM
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2. he HAS AND IS using Max Cleland , there is a post on it right now on DU
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michigandem2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 10:05 AM
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3. just relax...two months out a miserable failure of a convention
and we are deadlocked...its not over...and don't give up..
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 10:06 AM
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5. he is out there, he was campaigning, too bad people on DU don't pay
attention
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 10:06 AM
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6. Patience!
I know what you're feeling. I was feeling anxious myself at the beginning of the week. But the convention isn't over. Rove's idea was to have it late to make the bounce last. The way things have been going at their convention (and in the world at large, and the nation under Bush), the Repubs could be uinraveling right before our eyes. Their bad judgment has been on view over the last two nights of the convention. I don't think they're going to get the bounce they were counting on. If Kerry doesn't come out swinging at midnight, as he has promised, then get nervous. Until then, sit back and enjoy the show (if you think of trainwrecks as a kind of show).
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 10:07 AM
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7. It's way too early to lose hope.
I have my own complaints about the campaign. But it's way too early to lose hope.

This is the time to get active - especially if you feel you're losing hope.
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 10:08 AM
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8. Twenty-two million American women
between the ages of 18 and 30 do not vote. Most earn under 30k a year, some are single mom's. NOW, that's a tragedy.

We can't win if we have a group of voters that large that don't participate in the system. One woman gave this lame excuse: 'I dont' have time to research the issues'. Well honey, you'll have plenty of time when you're sitting on the unemployment line.

Help Kerry win...register people to vote, talk about the issues, write LTTE of your local paper.

:hi:


And don't despair.
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Uben Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 10:11 AM
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10. Hoosier
Don't be discouraged my friend. This was expected. It is a monies matter. Since the Dem convention, Kerry has been limited on the amount of money he can spend. No use wasting it before the Repug convention was over. No that that is coming to an end, it will be "gloves off", and Kerry can get back on the offensive. You always save your best for last, because that is what people remember most.
These last few weeks will be the toughest campaigning yet!

We will be victorious!

Uben
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 10:16 AM
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12. "That's how you get Capone"
Say, didn't Sean Connery wind up dead in that movie?

Don't lose heart....this has been a tremendous stinkbomb of a convention, and pResident Fucknut's "exciting new vision for the future" will be the same old dreary blah as before: tax cuts for the rich and privatizing Social Security.
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henslee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 10:18 AM
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14. Well, go lose hope in a corner by yourself, frantic whiney disruptor.
Edited on Thu Sep-02-04 10:18 AM by henslee
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 10:27 AM
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15. Listen to Me: Kerry Wil Fix It
Gore ran a lousy campaign too up until Labor Day. He turned it around and came from 18 points back in the polls. This is what Kerry is known for.

Yes, there are problems, but there are every reason to think they'll be fixed. There is fertile soil for Kerry to open up an unambiguous lead by November.
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 10:27 AM
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16. I'm hyper-paranoid too!
Simply because I greatly fear for the world my children will be living in if the assholes currently in power are given four more years to go hog wild with their extremist agenda. They will, too! They have nothing to lose and everything to gain. They do not have to worry about another election.

My husband, the moderate, is worried about me because I fret and worry. In the past, I've always become a political/news junkie in the year of a presidential election...but this year is different. I think I finally got through to him last night with how serious this is...to me at least. I'd been watching one of the cable news shows (switch around a lot, especially in the evenings), and finally I just picked up the remote, turned it off, and walked away shaking my head in sadness. That's not normal practice for me and he knows it. He came to me and said in a sensitive and caring tone, "Honey, don't let yourself get so worked up about this." I said, "I'm just thinking about the world our kids are going to be living in." He didn't say anything, but the look in his eyes said he hadn't really thought about it in that way. He may not have agreed, but he understood.

I think he looks at the political season more or less in a short term period with what (in his view) really amounts to minor shifts on society. He's a history nut and knows it inside and out, so that plays into it too.

Those things said, I've been making a concerted effort to channel my fears into action. It's a choice we have to make. We can sit on our hands, worry, and let it eat us alive. Or, we can use that fear to motivate us. We can kick ourselves into high gear with actions we CAN control. Writing letters, making phone calls, canvassing, ...even bumper stickers on our cars!

I have no control over my neighbor, my parents, my friends, or even my husband's actions and how they decide to vote. The best I can do is work to get John Kerry elected.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 10:41 AM
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17. Kerry's not wind-surfing.
Yesterday, in fact, he spoke at the Convention of the American Legion. Check his site to see what he's been up to:

www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/releases/pr_2004_0901.html

When your darling child asked "Dad, shouldn't he be out meeting people instead of screwing off?"--did you explain the media to him? How you can't believe everything you see?

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Julien Sorel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 10:47 AM
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18. I'm so tired of the same post used as a thread starter.
If you're going to whine like a spanked child, can't you at least do it in one of the 10 other threads that are devoted to the exact same fucking topic, and say the exact same fucking thing that your post says? If you're going to whine like an adolescent, display the intellectual and emotional sophistication of an adolescent, at least have the decency not to be as narcissistic as a teenage girl: post to one of the other fucking threads that already exist. Because nothing you say is unique, nothing about the way you said it is unique: it was a waste of bits and bytes, except to get your whininess a little bit of extra attention that it didn't need or deserve.
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Kid_A Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 10:58 AM
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19. Real nice.
Who are you to say who deserves to be heard and who doesn't? If a topic seems redundant to you, then don't read it, and definitely post a reply berating the topic starter for not running it by you first.

We're all in the same boat here, so don't be an asshole.
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Waverley_Hills_Hiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 11:53 AM
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24. thanks..i appreciated that.
...too much of what you note is going on. Lets hear people out.
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LiviaOlivia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 11:52 AM
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22. Amen
eom
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Kid_A Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 11:00 AM
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20. What part of Hoosierland are your from, Hoosier Dem?
I'm in Bloomington, and living in this oasis of sanity is the only thing keeping me from pulling my hair out.
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Hoosier Democrat Donating Member (386 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 11:48 AM
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21. I'm in St. Joseph County
We were one of only 6 (out of 92) counties that Gore carried in 2000.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 11:52 AM
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23. He took ONE DAY OFF during the RNC. Usually pols take a week off
at that time.

Let him breathe.
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