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babsbunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 11:45 AM
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Sermon on the stump: Pastors to violate IRS law
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/2008/09/27/20080927Montini0928.html

Would Jesus Christ sport a "Yes We Can" Obama '08 button on his tunic? Or would the Prince of Peace prefer a "Country First" McCain T-shirt?

Your pastor might tell you at church today, shortly before he lets you know which political candidates deserve your vote.

Then, if their prayers are answered, the right politicians will be elected and the reverends will get busted by federal agents.

Today, more than 30 ministers from across the country plan to purposefully violate federal law by endorsing political candidates during their church sermons.

Religious people, like the rest of us, can say what they want. It's a free country.
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 11:46 AM
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1. Sure. They can say whatever they want. Just as soon as they start paying taxes. nt
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 11:51 AM
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2. I think the law is just - the whole philosophy behind being tax-exempt
is that the organization works for the good of the community, and brings benefits to the community that outweigh the loss in tax revenue.

No non-profit should be allowed to lobby and involve themselves in partisan politics.

I believe strongly in the freedom of the pulpit; but not when it comes to pushing partisan agendas (whether it's a pro-Democratic or pro-Republican or pro-whatever).

All members of a community are, by the nature of allowing a non-profit to be tax-exempt, supporting that non-profit (even if the community members don't themselves give money directly to it) - hence, the organization should speak on behalf of the community.

If a church wants to endorse politicians, then let them register as a lobbying group, and let them pay taxes like all politically active groups.
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BlueIdaho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 11:52 AM
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3. Playing with fire
When they do - they assume their "flock" will support (1) blatant political posturing from the pulpit and (2) their personal political agenda. They may find their congregation bristling at this blatant abuse of their "calling" and their trust.

When you mix politics and religion politics doesn't get cleaner, religion get dirtier.
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TommyO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 11:55 AM
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5. When those churches lose their tax exemptions
Their parishioners are going to lose the tax breaks that they get from their donations. It isn't going to make Mr and Mrs Smith too happy.
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BlueIdaho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 01:25 PM
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7. You know its been some time since a preacher
Was sent out of town wearing tar and feathers... it could come into vogue again - soon.
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blue sky at night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 11:54 AM
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4. I know pastors think they can influence their congregations...
But when it comes to voting and politics I don't think it works. My Pastor is a Liberal Dem and if he endorsed Obama, more than 2/3Rd's of the folks would blow him off. So to this I say, Big Fucking Deal....but they should all get an IRS letter and a visit, oh I forgot, LAWS are only for the "other" guys, you know the Dems.
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AngryOldDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 11:56 AM
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6. If they want to pay to play, that's fine by me.
I don't listen to them anyway, so whatever they want to tell me about politics will get the same consideration.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 01:28 PM
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8. Speech is Free, but 501c3 tax exempt status comes with strings attached n/t
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Retrograde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 02:28 PM
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9. if churches and the like want to be activist
there are some things they can legally do: tell their congregations when the voter registration deadlines are, how to find their polling places, remind them to vote on election day. Endorsing candidates or issues should lose them their exempt status. As Jesus said, there are things that belong to God and things that belong to Caesar.

Individual clergy campaigning on their own time and dime is a grayer area, IMHO: on the one hand they are citizens, but on the other they can unduly influence people.
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