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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 01:34 PM
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Buffett to Congress: Bail out economy or face 'meltdown' - CNN
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/28/bailout.deal/index.html

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Billionaire Warren Buffett told congressional negotiators that if they can't agree on a proposed financial bailout, the nation will face "its biggest financial meltdown in American history," two sources familiar with the talks said.

Word of Buffett's omen came as House Speaker Nancy Pelosi announced "great progress" in reaching a deal on the White House's proposed $700 billion bailout of the financial system.

Buffett, whom Forbes magazine has placed at No. 2 on its 2008 list of richest Americans, was one of several business experts whose opinions were sought, Sen. Kent Conrad, D-North Dakota, told reporters Saturday.

Buffett is chairman and CEO of Berkshire Hathaway Inc. His wealth is estimated at $50 billion. Buffett was consulted by telephone, Conrad said.

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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 01:36 PM
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1. Buffett isn't out to fuck us over--he's got some credibility.
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Not the Only One Donating Member (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 02:35 PM
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12. Warren Buffet is a rich scoundrel
http://www.fool.com/investing/dividends-income/2008/09/26/why-would-warren-buffett-stoop-so-low.aspx">Why Would Warren Buffett Stoop So Low?

Buffet didn't come out for the bailout UNTIL he was in a position to be rewarded handsomely.

Warren Buffet is a very greedy man. He doesn't speak for regular American workers.

This bailout is an epic scam.

Wall Street is now learning that all they have to do to get the Feds to use our money to make them richer is to shout "fire" in our financial theater. This will not be the last bailout. This bailout will cost trillions of dollars.

This bailout has turned DU into a message board that advocates for the interests of those who don't need our assistance. Comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 02:42 PM
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17. You're wrong. Buffett came out strongly AGAINST the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy years ago...
Edited on Sun Sep-28-08 02:43 PM by ClarkUSA
How would you know what Buffett was thinking about the bailout until he had to testify? Who do you think
is one of Obama's top economic advisors on this?

Not all rich people are bad... and Buffett is a very good man of the people. He still lives in the same $400,000
home he moved to when he was newly married and is leaving 95% of his billions to charity after his death (his
kids are getting very little of his fortune, comparatively).
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RoadRage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 02:48 PM
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21. Hey.. his house is worth $600,000 now. ;)
And each of his kids got $1,000,000 (of course they've all become very successful as well and don't even need it) upon his death.

I read a story that when his daughter wanted to remodel her kitchen many years ago when she was still pretty young and didn't have a lot of money she asked her dad if he would pay for it. He said no.. but he'd loan it to her at 1/2 a percent less then what the banks would.. that was a "deal".
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 02:55 PM
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23. LOL! Really? A few years ago, it was only $400K and some change.
Edited on Sun Sep-28-08 02:56 PM by ClarkUSA
I like him... he reminds me of my dad.

I'd love to work for him (I've got an economic background) because I believe in what he's doing and he's a great role model.
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morillon Donating Member (809 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 03:06 PM
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24. Buffett is the real deal.
Years ago, he bought stock in the company where I worked, and as a result, he was invited to come to lunch with the CEO and the president. He shows up in an off-the-rack suit. The two chief execs are wearing their usual very expensive hand-tailored suits. They're going to take him to lunch at some fancy, exclusive joint, but he insists on going to a world famous greasy spoon down the street from our corporate HQ. Employees were giggling for days at the mental picture of those two very well-dressed men sitting with Mr. Buffett in cheap plastic chairs eating chili dogs.
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 04:11 PM
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30. Isn't Warren Buffett advising Obama on economic matters?
:shrug:
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 04:31 PM
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31. Yep.
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 01:36 PM
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2. I for one put a good deal of stock in Mr. Buffett's opinion.
Edited on Sun Sep-28-08 01:37 PM by MNDemNY
His support of this gives me pause to consider this.I feel his motivations are good ones.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 01:38 PM
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3. Buffet is right.... 75% of Americans are wrong.

Thank goodness that congress seems to be listening more to Buffet than to polls.
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 02:00 PM
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8. Here-here!!
:toast: :toast: :toast:
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knowledgeispwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 03:52 PM
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28. I wish that 75% wouldn't jump to conclusions because of the term "bailout"
as someone pointed out in another thread, the term "bailout" has ignited passions and people are against something they have little understanding of. My understanding isn't great, but I do know that things could get much worse if something isn't done. Without credit things will go downhill fast.

People also don't seem to understand that the current plans aren't the same original Paulson plan that got a lot of media play.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 01:39 PM
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4. Well, of COURSE Buffet wants the bailout, he just put $5 Billion in Goldman Sachs - he's COUNTING on
the bailout happening. Duh.

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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 01:42 PM
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5. Buffet is for people like himself paying higher taxes and he has been outspoken about it.
Edited on Sun Sep-28-08 01:43 PM by dmordue
He is worth 50 billion and thinks he should pay a higher percentage than his secretary and he has been outspoken in bringing the discrepancy out into the open.

I trust Buffet as much as anyone on the bail out and the shape of the economy.
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Not the Only One Donating Member (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 02:37 PM
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13. There is nothing stopping Buffet from sending the federal government more of his own money.
If Buffet wants to pay more taxes and feels guilty about being richer than Midas, he can simply write a check to the Treasury.
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msallied Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 03:13 PM
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25. Spoken like a true Republican...
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 03:44 PM
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26. I think he wants change across the board and isn't just a self centered bastard
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RichardRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 01:43 PM
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6. Buffet doesn't need the bail out to make his investment work
His portfolio is about as healthy as it's possible to be right now. He can sit on his investment in Goldman for as long as it takes for it to regain value. The rest of the financial world isn't quite that smart.

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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 01:59 PM
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7. Mr. Buffett would NOT have made that investment on spec.
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gravity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 02:46 PM
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19. Buffett is counting on it because the cosequences of doing nothing are too great
Edited on Sun Sep-28-08 02:46 PM by gravity
The markets will force Congress to pass the bill soon enough. It is only a matter of time. The only question is how bad will it get before then
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msallied Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 02:04 PM
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9. Look, Buffet is one of the "good" guys. I trust him on this a little more
at least compared to some of the other cronies in this matter.

Put into perspective. It would take like a dozen Warren Buffets to bail out this mess. My god.
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CitizenLeft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 02:08 PM
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10. I have been on the fence on this bailout because...
Edited on Sun Sep-28-08 02:11 PM by CitizenLeft
...I don't know enough about it to have an opinion. I was an English and history major, not a business major - I'm doing good to balance my checkbook (and have on occasions failed at that!) It's complicated even for economists, so I just listened to the debate and tried to understand it (and failed!). I have leaned towards an agreement on it, with and only with the Democrats / Obama's amendments (the 5 points), but only because no one had an alternative plan that anyone said made sense or would work.

But Warren Buffett is not just out for himself, or he wouldn't be supporting Obama and he wouldn't have supported Kerry because he's not necessarily going to benefit to any great degree from a Democratic administration. I've always thought he had the good of the country, and the strength of the economy, as his priorities. So, based on this statement, I'm satisfied that the Dems are doing the right thing... at least for now. It was dangerous - they could've been - and still could be - bazookaed for getting this done if it doesn't work, or turns out to be disastrous. Nobody knows. But I do trust Buffett's assessment of it. I'm - pretty much - sold now.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 02:41 PM
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16. In the end, Warren Buffett is in it for himself.
Edited on Sun Sep-28-08 02:42 PM by ShortnFiery
:(
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 03:45 PM
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27. Just like John Kerry, Obama, Clintons, Gore, you and I?
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 02:14 PM
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11. People are angry about it but he is right
Edited on Sun Sep-28-08 02:14 PM by Jennicut
Credit is gonna dry up on all these companies. The economy will go belly up fast without new capital (money) to invest in new employees or make more products. Some in the GD board want the bailout not to happen but I don't want to go through a depression. And Dodd and others put some good provisions in the bill like oversight.
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 02:39 PM
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14. Yep., I agree...none of us like it, but....
what IF those people who say we shouldn't do it, are WRONG. What if? That's a mistake I'd rather not deal with later on. It would just be worse. The way I see this is, better safe than sorry. People are so worried that this is a ruse, BUT, what IF it's not. And, yes, I understand the skepticism. But I still say it needs to be done.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 02:48 PM
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22. Angry people usually don't make smart decisions
and if there's anything to be learned from the past how many years of Republican politics of resentment- it's that tearing things down out of spite almost always harkens bad results for everyone involved.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 02:40 PM
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15. It's going to meltdown anyway. Only question, do we want the wealthy to suffer with us? eom
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RoadRage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 02:45 PM
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18. I Live in Omaha.. I Love Buffett.. BUT:
He did just buy Goldman Sachs for 5 Billion dollars last week on the assumption that the US was going to agree to this bailout.. so he certainly has a very vested interest in seeing this go through.

And since I own a couple of share of Baby B stock... i suppose I should too. I have a feeling that either way it's going to suck... if it goes through I might see some stock go up.. but long term plans and taxes will as well. If it doesn't go through.. it sounds like the economy just implodes.

What a win-win.. :eyes:
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PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 02:48 PM
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20. I give a lot of credence to Buffet's opinion. He was warning about derivatives more than 5 years
Edited on Sun Sep-28-08 02:49 PM by PA Democrat
ago calling them "time bombs and financial weapons of mass destruction that could harm not only their buyers and sellers, but the whole economic system."


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/2817995.stm
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 04:10 PM
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29. Can't disagree with Buffet.
Didn't he call CDOs "weapons of economic mass destruction" a few years ago?
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