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busymom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 09:20 AM
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What will happen to Universal Health Care
I guess my biggest opposition to the bailout (besides the obvious fat cats getting away with it all yet again) is that I don't see how we will be able to push through some form of universal health care or fix social security and medicare once Obama takes office. With what we have spent and are spending in Iraq and now what will surely amount to a 1 trillion dollar bandaid on the broken markets, it just doesn't seem like there will be any way to push through funding for universal health care.

This was such an important issue for me this year...

How will we propose to finance universal health care and get the public to support it in the face of this insane debt?

:shrug:
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 09:23 AM
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1. instead we get universal bailout care for the filthy rich and speculators. almost as good yes? nt
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grannie4peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 09:23 AM
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2. depends on who we elect
i thust obama 100%. it may take a little longer than tomorrow but with obama ,he will have every american working toward fixing things & we can. he won't let the bad guys get off !!!!
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busymom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 09:25 AM
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7. HOW?
This is my problem with the bailout. You can only spend a dollar once.

OK...in America, the fed just prints out some more, devalues the dollar and spends it again...but once you've spent that worthless dollar twice and squeezed it out of hard working Americans, where do you get the money to pay back even the interest on these trillions of dollars we have amassed...and how do you managed to squeeze out more for health care. I trust that Obama wants to do this....but how the hell can he? I am really upset about this. It won't be his fault, but I don't see hit happening now.
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grannie4peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 10:04 AM
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24. we made it out of the depression with roosevelt
we still have foods, & products to trade.... besides I DO TRUST OBAMA 100%
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busymom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 10:43 AM
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26. I don't trust any politician 100%...I guess that is the cynic
in me. After years of putting my faith in different politicans and being disappointed, I can't throw all of my faith and trust behind any of them. I do hope that once Obama is in office that he will meet my expectations. I think he will.
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sharp_stick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 09:24 AM
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3. I've always hated Bush
but now, fuck... I hate that piece of shit with the intensity of a thousand suns. I don't think there's a despot on the planet that I hate more than this dimbulb prick who has pretty much single-handedly fucked up the economy of not just our country but quite possibly the entire fucking world.

As always seems to be the case it falls in the hands of a Democratic President to slowly get us to recover from this nightmare while putting aside real programs for health and education to do it.

As always seems to be the case, again, the morons that elect people in this country will probably elect another dimbulb republican to fuck it up just as it's starting to turn around because of some bullshit excuse like they did in 1994 and 2000.
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snake in the grass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 10:27 AM
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25. I've gone beyond that.
I have relatives who voted for Bush. Twice even and now they support McCain. I refuse to sit at the same table with them and call them pigs any time the subject of politics comes up. As far as I am concerned, they are ignorant pieces of shit with blood on their hands and as long as I am around I will not let them forget it for one fucking second.

Thanksgiving is going to be a blast this year if Obama wins. If not, then I am going to relentlessly paint them a picture of what their future looks like. I've tried reasoning but they are simply resistant to logic so now I remain in combat mode. They are the enemy
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Raineyb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 09:24 AM
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4. There isn't going to be any.
They're going to claim there's no money for it after they piss it away borrowing to bail out Wall Street. On top of that, since no one has bothered to include any substantial changes to how Wall Street does business we'll probably have to borrow more money to bail them out yet again.

There's always seems to be money to bail out Wall Street and wage unnecessary wars but the rest of us can just go to hell apparently.

This whole bailout situation stinks to high heaven.

Regards
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 09:24 AM
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5. you got it. My view is that Bushco's objective was to bankrupt
the government and pass the treasury to his buddies. All this shit he put the country through was to make that happen. Now they must handcuff the next president so none of those nasty social programs can get passed.
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 09:25 AM
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6. Did you even watch the debate?
If not, you should. Obama answered that question, and really, all questions related to the bailout. And suprisingly, NONE of the money was to come from the healthcare plan, OR middle class americans.
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busymom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 09:28 AM
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9. I did watch the debate...
and I also heard him talk about how some things would have to be scaled back.

But despite what he wants and what he says at the debate, how do you realistically see it working? I have no doubt in my mind that he will bring it up as a topic...but the greedy guys at the top have made damned sure that the average working American will continue to be worse off than any european or canadian citizen....and I bet we'll end up paying more taxes to boot.
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 09:31 AM
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12. I'm confident Obama has great financial/economic advisors...
and wouldn't have said it, if he didn't know what he's up against. He never said anything about taxing middle americans, OR scaling back on healthcare. He specifically said that he would cut programs that were not working, or useless.
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busymom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 09:32 AM
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13. or maybe he just wants our votes...he has mine, but
seriously..can you imagine what would have happened if he had come out and said "yes, the bailout is necessary and it means that the important points on my agenda will have to take a back seat. We probably won't be able to afford universal health care" It would not have gone over well.

This is partly political.
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 09:35 AM
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15. I don't agree with you. I don't think it's all about votes for Obama.
I just don't.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 09:26 AM
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8. What we need is a massive tax payer revolt. I'll keep my taxes and pay for my own health care.
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busymom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 09:30 AM
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10. I'll buy into that...
How do the taxpapers revolt (without ending up with massive fines/penalties of course LOL )

I think the American public absolutely needs to stand up and do something before it is too late. Once this bailout goes through, the markets will stabilize briefly...but the markets globally are unsteady and it isn't just because the American markets are on a downturn. There is a global issue right now that goes beyond whether or not the DOW rallies....

sigh.
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busymom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 09:30 AM
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11. I'll buy into that...
How do the taxpapers revolt (without ending up with massive fines/penalties of course LOL )

I think the American public absolutely needs to stand up and do something before it is too late. Once this bailout goes through, the markets will stabilize briefly...but the markets globally are unsteady and it isn't just because the American markets are on a downturn. There is a global issue right now that goes beyond whether or not the DOW rallies....

sigh.
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sharp_stick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 09:33 AM
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14. I won't
Two kids. Not a chance in hell I'm risking my families health care on something like that. One healtcare emergency will bankrupt damned near anyone.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 09:51 AM
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16. Health care insurance is worthless IMO.
I would have to pay $280 a month for a $5000 yearly deductible plan. So $4000+ a year in premiums and then if something happens I have to pay the first $5000. I think I would rather run my credit cards up and declare BR.
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sharp_stick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 09:54 AM
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17. Mine is employer paid
while, it's added to my pay and then sent in. If I had to pay for my own insurance in this climate I'd be heading to Canada.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 09:58 AM
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19. So often people find out that their health care insurance isn't what they thought it was.
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busymom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 10:00 AM
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21. That's for sure. A friend of mine
lost his health insurance in the middle of a bone marrow transplant for cancer because he had missed too much work. WTH
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 10:01 AM
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22. They find any way they can to deny benefits.
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 09:57 AM
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18. Can you qualify for health insurance? Many people want it but can't even buy it.
They want you if you are healthy.

Not so much if you are sick. Regardless of how much you are willing to pay them, they'll simply say "good luck" and leave you with nada.

Health care should cost next to nothing for everyone.

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busymom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 09:59 AM
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20. Everyone should be able to have access to a good
health insurance plan. Should it cost next to nothing? eh...probably not. I paid for mine when I lived in the UK and when I lived in Germany...either in higher taxes or money taken directly from my paycheck before I got my hands on it. It shouldn't be exorbitant, but we also have to pay our healthcare providers...doctors, nurses, pa's techs and we want to be able to afford the best imaging machines and latest technology too.

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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 10:03 AM
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23. I think it is a human right.
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