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Neither Repubs nor Democrats deserve the credit or blame for killing the bailout. 95 Democrats voted

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Stop Cornyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Mon Sep-29-08 03:46 PM Original message

Neither Repubs nor Democrats deserve the credit or blame for killing the bailout. 95 Democrats voted

against it and 65 Repubs voted for it. Here are the 65 Repubs who voted for the bailout: Alabama Aye AL-1 Bonner, Jo Aye AL-2 Everett, Terry Aye AL-3 Rogers, Michael Aye AL-6 Bachus, Spencer Arkansas Aye AR-3 Boozman, John California Aye CA-2 Herger, Walter Aye CA-3 Lungren, Daniel Aye CA-19 Radanovich, George Aye CA-25 McKeon, Howard Aye CA-26 Dreier, David Aye CA-41 Lewis, Jerry Aye CA-42 Miller, Gary Aye CA-44 Calvert, Ken Aye CA-45 Bono Mack, Mary Aye CA-48 Campbell, John Colorado Aye CO-6 Tancredo, Thomas Connecticut Aye CT-4 Shays, Christopher Delaware Aye DE-0 Castle, Michael Florida Aye FL-4 Crenshaw, Ander Aye FL-12 Putnam, Adam Aye FL-15 Weldon, David Idaho Aye ID-2 Simpson, Michael Illinois Aye IL-10 Kirk, Mark No Vote IL-11 Weller, Gerald Aye IL-18 LaHood, Ray Indiana Aye IN-3 Souder, Mark Kentucky Aye KY-2 Lewis, Ron Aye KY-5 Rogers, Harold Louisiana Aye LA-4 McCrery, James Maryland Aye MD-1 Gilchrest, Wayne Michigan Aye MI-3 Ehlers, Vernon Aye MI-4 Camp, David Aye MI-6 Upton, Frederick Minnesota Aye MN-2 Kline, John Mississippi Aye MS-3 Pickering, Charles Missouri Aye MO-7 Blunt, Roy Aye MO-8 Emerson, Jo Ann Nevada Aye NV-3 Porter, Jon New Jersey Aye NJ-3 Saxton, H. Aye NJ-7 Ferguson, Michael New Mexico Aye NM-1 Wilson, Heather New York Aye NY-3 King, Peter Aye NY-13 Fossella, Vito Aye NY-23 McHugh, John Aye NY-25 Walsh, James Aye NY-26 Reynolds, Thomas Ohio Aye OH-7 Hobson, David Aye OH-8 Boehner, John Aye OH-15 Pryce, Deborah Aye OH-16 Regula, Ralph Oklahoma Aye OK-4 Cole, Tom Oregon Aye OR-2 Walden, Greg Pennsylvania Aye PA-5 Peterson, John South Carolina Aye SC-1 Brown, Henry Aye SC-2 Wilson, Addison Aye SC-4 Inglis, Bob Texas Aye TX-8 Brady, Kevin Aye TX-12 Granger, Kay Aye TX-21 Smith, Lamar Aye TX-32 Sessions, Peter Utah Aye UT-3 Cannon, Christopher Virginia Aye VA-7 Cantor, Eric Aye VA-10 Wolf, Frank Aye VA-11 Davis, Thomas Wisconsin Aye WI-1 Ryan, Paul Wyoming Aye WY-0 Cubin, Barbara And here are the Democrats who voted against it (a list which includes some of our best and brightest): Arizona Nay AZ-4 Pastor, Edward Nay AZ-5 Mitchell, Harry Nay AZ-7 Grijalva, Raul Nay AZ-8 Giffords, Gabrielle California Nay CA-1 Thompson, C. Nay CA-6 Woolsey, Lynn Nay CA-9 Lee, Barbara Nay CA-13 Stark, Fortney Nay CA-27 Sherman, Brad Nay CA-29 Schiff, Adam Nay CA-31 Becerra, Xavier Nay CA-32 Solis, Hilda Nay CA-33 Watson, Diane Nay CA-34 Roybal-Allard, Lucille Nay CA-38 Napolitano, Grace Nay CA-39 Sanchez, Linda Nay CA-43 Baca, Joe Nay CA-47 Sanchez, Loretta Nay CA-51 Filner, Bob Colorado Nay CO-2 Udall, Mark Nay CO-3 Salazar, John Connecticut Nay CT-2 Courtney, Joe Florida Nay FL-11 Castor, Kathy Georgia Nay GA-4 Johnson, Henry Nay GA-5 Lewis, John Nay GA-12 Barrow, John Nay GA-13 Scott, David Hawaii Nay HI-1 Abercrombie, Neil Nay HI-2 Hirono, Mazie Illinois Nay IL-1 Rush, Bobby Nay IL-2 Jackson, Jesse Nay IL-3 Lipinski, Daniel Nay IL-12 Costello, Jerry Indiana Nay IN-1 Visclosky, Peter Nay IN-7 Carson, André Nay IN-9 Hill, Baron Iowa Nay IA-1 Braley, Bruce Kansas Nay KS-2 Boyda, Nancy Kentucky Nay KY-3 Yarmuth, John Nay KY-6 Chandler, Ben Louisiana Nay LA-2 Jefferson, William Nay LA-6 Cazayoux, Donald Maine Nay ME-2 Michaud, Michael Maryland Nay MD-4 Edwards, Donna Nay MD-7 Cummings, Elijah Massachusetts Nay MA-6 Tierney, John Nay MA-9 Lynch, Stephen Nay MA-10 Delahunt, William Michigan Nay MI-1 Stupak, Bart Nay MI-13 Kilpatrick, Carolyn Nay MI-14 Conyers, John Minnesota Nay MN-1 Walz, Timothy Nay MN-7 Peterson, Collin Mississippi Nay MS-1 Childers, Travis Nay MS-2 Thompson, Bennie Nay MS-4 Taylor, Gene Missouri Nay MO-1 Clay, William Nay MO-5 Cleaver, Emanuel Nevada Nay NV-1 Berkley, Shelley New Hampshire Nay NH-1 Shea-Porter, Carol Nay NH-2 Hodes, Paul New Jersey Nay NJ-8 Pascrell, William Nay NJ-9 Rothman, Steven Nay NJ-10 Payne, Donald New Mexico Nay NM-3 Udall, Tom New York Nay NY-16 Serrano, José Nay NY-20 Gillibrand, Kirsten Nay NY-22 Hinchey, Maurice North Carolina Nay NC-1 Butterfield, George Nay NC-7 McIntyre, Mike Nay NC-11 Shuler, Heath Ohio Nay OH-9 Kaptur, Marcy Nay OH-10 Kucinich, Dennis Nay OH-13 Sutton, Betty Oregon Nay OR-1 Wu, David Nay OR-3 Blumenauer, Earl Nay OR-4 DeFazio, Peter Pennsylvania Nay PA-4 Altmire, Jason Nay PA-10 Carney, Christopher Nay PA-17 Holden, Tim South Dakota Nay SD-0 Herseth Sandlin, Stephanie Tennessee Nay TN-4 Davis, Lincoln Texas Nay TX-9 Green, Al Nay TX-18 Jackson-Lee, Sheila Nay TX-22 Lampson, Nicholas Nay TX-23 Rodriguez, Ciro Nay TX-25 Doggett, Lloyd Nay TX-27 Ortiz, Solomon Nay TX-28 Cuellar, Henry Nay TX-29 Green, Raymond Utah Nay UT-2 Matheson, Jim Vermont Nay VT-0 Welch, Peter Virginia Nay VA-3 Scott, Robert Washington Nay WA-1 Inslee, Jay Wisconsin Nay WI-8 Kagen, Steve Do not let Repubs take all credit for killing this bailout. Nor should we blame all Repubs (except McCain't who promised to lead Repubs to pass the bailout and who failed to deliver on that promise) for the nearly 800 point loss the the Dow today. Whether you call today's vote a success or a failure, it was a bi-partisan action.

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David Dunham (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Mon Sep-29-08 03:47 PM Response to Original message

1. No votes are very foolish

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Stop Cornyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Mon Sep-29-08 03:50 PM Response to Reply #1

6. I was a yes vote, but only barely. This is necessary, but the deal on the table isn't great so I

wouldn't call no votes "foolish." There are some excellent Democrats who voted against the bailout.

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arKansasJHawk (311 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Mon Sep-29-08 03:48 PM Response to Original message

2. Hey, thanks!

I just posted in another thread that I couldn't find a list of yays and nays. I was specifically looking for my Rep., Nancy Boyda, because I know her constituents have been heavily anti-bailout. I had a strong feeling she was voting against it.

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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Mon Sep-29-08 03:48 PM Response to Original message

3. Dems promised 140 votes. They delivered 141.

The Repugs promised 80 votes, and delivered 65. DO THE MATH.

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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Mon Sep-29-08 08:55 PM Response to Reply #3

18. Thank you Frenchie - we delivered our promise

nuff said!

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gemlake (535 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Mon Sep-29-08 03:48 PM Response to Original message

4. Wrong. The Dems guaranteed 140 votes and got it

The Repubs guaranteed 100 and failed. The Repubs killed it.

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Stop Cornyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Mon Sep-29-08 04:28 PM Response to Reply #4

8. The Repubs failed to deliver what McCain promised, but many Repubs see this failure as a good thing

but they fail to share credit for defeating the bailout with the 95 Democrats who voted against it.

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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Mon Sep-29-08 03:49 PM Response to Original message

5. The Republicans promised Pelosi a certain number of votes, they didn't deliver

If they had negotiated it such that Pelosi had to deliver more votes and she hadn't then she would be at fault. But she delivered what she was supposed to and they didn't. Therefore it is their fault.

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Venceremos (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Mon Sep-29-08 04:05 PM Response to Original message

7. Interesting most of the Illinois Dems

who voted it down represent the south Chicago area. Bobby Rush - south side Jesse Jackson - south side & southeast suburbs Dan Lipinski - southwest side & suburbs

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apnu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Mon Sep-29-08 04:37 PM Response to Reply #7

11. And CA, looks like an open revolt against Pelosi there. (nt)

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Drunken Irishman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Mon Sep-29-08 04:29 PM Response to Original message

9. Matheson won't get my vote.

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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Mon Sep-29-08 04:34 PM Response to Original message

10. No, if you look at percentages (as per Josh Marshall), D's did their party while R's didn't:

Look at the Numbers There's a lot of talk out there from commentators who you'd think would know better claiming that this was basically a bipartisan failure -- that both parties, Republicans and Democrats, failed to carry their members for this bill. But look at the numbers. 60% of Democrats in the House voted for this bill. 33% of Republicans. Face it, that's not even close. Both parties wanted to force as few members to vote for this as possible. It's really unpopular. It's perfectly legitimate (though in the absence of any credible alternative, pretty iffy) to argue that the Republicans did the right thing by killing the bill. But there's simply no question of why and how this bill failed. --Josh Marshall http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/

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Stop Cornyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Mon Sep-29-08 05:27 PM Response to Reply #10

13. True, but don't let the Repubs get away with the "we killed the Democrat's bailout" bullshit. The

deal was a bi-partisan bill and it failed for lack of bi-partisan support. Let the history books blame the Repubs, but in today's climate the VAST majority of Democrats, the VAST majority of Repubs, and the VAST majority of independents see the failure of the bailout as a success.

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FreeState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Mon Sep-29-08 04:39 PM Response to Original message

12. BS - the dems agreed to get 140 votes and they did - the GOP killed it n/t

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Bucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Mon Sep-29-08 05:30 PM Response to Original message

14. Two thirds of Democrats supported it. Two thirds of Republicans opposed it.

Yes, this is partisanship. Yes, it's the Republicans' fault. McCain encouraged the House Republicans in opposing it, which led to the defeat that led to the Wall Street collapse.

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Stop Cornyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Mon Sep-29-08 05:53 PM Response to Reply #14

15. 90% of voters see that as kudos for the 2/3 of Repubs and boos for 2/3 of Democrats.

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Support the ACLU (65 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Mon Sep-29-08 08:13 PM Response to Original message

16. Agreed

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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Mon Sep-29-08 08:54 PM Response to Original message

17. deleted my duplicate post...

Edited on Mon Sep-29-08 09:00 PM by TankLV

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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Mon Sep-29-08 08:57 PM Response to Original message

19. BULLSHIT - this is in the lap of the REPUKES. PERIOD.

Nice of you to do their work for them, tho... Stop the bullshit. A million repukes are caught in COUNTLESS LIES or doing something CRIMINAL, and one or two Democrats are caught "exaggerating the truth", and idiots like you try to push some "equivalancy" that "they all do it" crap... Go peddle the bullshit elsewhere - because WE'RE NOT BUYIN' WHAT YOU'RE TRYIN TO SELL US...

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spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Mon Sep-29-08 09:00 PM Response to Original message

20. i'd like to know why they didn't get a bill they could fucking sign....i don't get it

they poll the body to see where they stand and if they have the votes......stinky

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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Mon Sep-29-08 09:01 PM Response to Original message

21. Jim McDermott voted for it?

Color me surprised.

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