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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 09:26 AM
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Poll watchers beware.........


The Truman victory was also an embarrassment for the emerging public opinion polling community. Truman's 4.4 percentage point election margin contrasted with the pre-election polls predicting a Dewey victory ranging between 5 to 15 percentage points. After the election, analysts attributed the polls' failure largely to completing their surveys too early, thus missing a late swing in voter sentiment in favor of the President. Ironically, the polls themselves may have helped Truman's late surge to overcome Dewey when press reports of their surveys showing Dewey ahead energized the Democrats to mount late efforts to increase turnout, and made the Republicans over-confident of any need to get their own voters to the polls. George Gallup, founder of the firm bearing his name, was forced according to his son, "...to visit many newspaper clients after the election to lure them back after 30 canceled their poll service." Gallup's competitor, Elmo Roper, also faced potential ruin from the mistake. Reflecting years later, Roper's son said that he and his father, both Democrats, had decidedly mixed emotions: "We saw our man winning, but our company going down the tubes." See "Pollsters recall 1948 fiasco", PolkOnline.com


http://www.eagleton.rutgers.edu/e-gov/e-politicalarchive-1948election.htm

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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 09:26 AM
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1. Concern noted. n/t
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Curtland1015 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 09:27 AM
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2. Polling info is a bit more reliable now than it was in 1948.
Thanks for the warning, though.
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 09:28 AM
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3. Polls are just what they are, mostly skewered toward one side
or the other. None of them are to be trusted.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 09:29 AM
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5. skewered?
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 09:39 AM
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9. ....
:rofl:

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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 09:51 AM
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15. Mr. Rasmussen meet Mr Gallup
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mohc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 09:29 AM
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4. The polls may well be underestimating support of one of the candidates
And that candidate would be Obama.
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 09:30 AM
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6. Obama is about to change the future of this nation and I'm not concerned. nt
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maseman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 09:31 AM
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7. Notice it said polling was done too early
They didn't have daily tracking polls then. They only did a few polls per election and reported those. In addition only a couple companies did the polling. One or two mistakes could really swing the door either way.
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Alter Ego Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 09:37 AM
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8. 1948 != 2008, no internet, TV, or reliable polling methods.
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 09:41 AM
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10. They didn't take into account the large numbers of people who didn't have phones at all. n/t
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 09:43 AM
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11. The major problem in 1948 was that polling stopped early.......
.....everyone, including the media back then, saw Dewey winning in a runaway.

The major swing to Truman came days before the election and after his famous train trip around the country.

My only caution is don't let down because the polls look good for Obama. Anything can happen.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 09:45 AM
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12. I'm not a poll watcher..
but living in this country requires me to be wary of any election and its outcome.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 09:46 AM
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13. And Palin or not, Republicans are not going to be as energized as Democrats
Edited on Mon Oct-06-08 09:49 AM by yellowcanine
are now or were then. And Dewey was running a lousy campaign. Even he admitted it. He basically told his advisors he knew he was going to lose but did not know what to do about it.

No one can deny that Obama is running an excellent campaign and he connects with voters in a way that "the little man on the wedding cake" could only dream of.
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 09:50 AM
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14. Dewey knew he was going to lose? Where did you get that from? nt
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 10:08 AM
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18. Heck I can't remember. It may have been in the Truman book by McCullough.
Supposedly some of Dewey's advisors came to him and warned him that the election was slipping away and Dewey responded that he knew that but didn't know what to do about it.
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 10:14 AM
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19. McCullough? I have that. I'll look it up. nt
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 09:57 AM
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16. They did a phone poll, at a time when only the rich had phones.
Therefore they did not poll a representative sample. No comparison to today's polls.
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bookman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 10:01 AM
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17. Gotcha!

Turnout1 Turnout! Turnout!

Still a lot of work to do.

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