African American debate questioner who got lectured by McCain on Freddie & Fannie responds to McCain

Town hall whiplash

McCain's rough "town hall" debate just got a bit worse, as one questioner writes about the experience on his Facebook page:

How did I feel about Sen. McCain stating “You probably never heard of Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac before this"

Well Senator, I actually did. I like to think of myself as a fairly intelligent person. I have a bachelor degree in Political Science from Tennessee State, so I try to keep myself up to date with current affairs. I have a Master degree in Legal Studies from Southern Illinois University, a few years in law school, and I am currently pursuing a Master in Public Administration from the University of Memphis. In defense of the Senator from Arizona I would say he is an older guy, and may have made an underestimation of my age. Honest mistake.

However, it could be because I am a young African-American male. Whatever the case may be it was somewhat condescending regardless of my age to make an assumption regarding whether I was knowledgeable about Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1008/Town_hall_whiplash.html?showall

for.

More and more people are starting to see through the bullshit and see them for what they are. Racist, Classist, assholes.

and then they assume everyone else is just as stupid.

their base? They have nothing to offer, nothing that can compete. They're either waiting to steal another election or some October surprise to knock us all on our asses.

well put.

BASE!

if anyone ever wonders why they constantly promote such an anti-education, anti-science agenda, the answer should be crystal clear!

even though he's the son and grandson of admirals, God is so little impressed by that, that He has allowed a distinguished and highly intelligent meritocrat to compete with him for the Presidency. The pecking-order's all gone haywire!

As Joe Biden's mother says about Gramps, "Gaaaawd love him!" But he's a raging maniac....and a dear, dear friend of all George's base.

If the guy was a plant that didn't mean the mccain had to answer him in the manner he did? If his question was unintelligent, then why did mccain have a problem answering it? And the last time I checked a M.L.S. was not a degree in liberal arts. JMHO

Who cares who asked it? Oh right, these are the guys who think that asking someone what newspapers they read or can they name a SC decision that is not Roe/Wade is somehow "gotcha" journalism.

Straight talker, my ass.

Who walked a crooked mile
He found a crooked sixpence
Upon a crooked stile:
He bought a crooked cat,
Which caught a crooked mouse,
And they all lived together
In a crooked little house.

dedicated to mccain and his crooked smile/smirk and his crooked wife/VP/self.

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We both thought McCain was rude to this guy and wouldn't it be funny if the guy had an advanced degree in Business :-).

drop her and let him run!

"The Master of Legal Studies (M.L.S.) degree is a post-baccalaureate degree program designed for those who wish to obtain an advanced knowledge of the law and the U.S. legal system, but who do not wish to become lawyers. The program is especially appropriate for those already possessing significant career experience who wish to gain an understanding of the US legal system, in order to enhance their career or change career direction. The admissions policy is very selective.

The SIU School of Law offers the M.L.S. degree in two forms, one a general M.L.S. and the other a highly specialized M.L.S. in Health Law and Policy. Both programs involve the completion of at least 30 semester hours of credit in law (including up to six hours of credit with the SIU Graduate School) courses. The specific curriculum is developed with and approved by the Director of Graduate Legal Studies, and offers considerable flexibility to meet each student’s individual needs."

http://www.law.siu.edu/academics/mls.asp

I'll bet I know more about Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac than you will ever know :-).

mccain would have lost it big time if he had. :rofl:

"I'll bet that I've forgotten more about Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac than you will ever know.

because someone is more intelligent and educated than they are. (Shocker, eh?)

Their need to put this man down, and discredit his intelligence and education, just shows (yet again) that they are insecure and self-loathing, and probably have a 3rd grade education.

Is there no limit to the unfathomable depths of fanaticism and depravity that they'll sink to?

Of course the man's education is nothing to sneeze at. The fools over at FR saw an intelligent African American who can both think and speak circles around them, and the resentment came pouring to the surface.

Sad, and typical for them.

Also funny how the term "Liberal Arts Degree" sent them into a knee-jerk frenzy where they accused anyone holding such a degree of being "not very intelligent" simply because the word "liberal" frightens them. They have no idea what the term "Liberal Arts" even means.

McCain was his usual smarmy fuckface with that guy.

What a disgrace John McCain and the Republican Party are. Both are traitors to America.

Epic smack down. I'm guessing he is not "undecided" any longer.

I'm not sure if McCain's comment was racist or simply condescending, either way, it was stupid and demonstrates why McCain is not fit to lead this country. I agree with an earlier poster, the gentleman who asked the question should himself run for office.

racist and condescending. :eyes:

i'm mad that i *get* that

probably have to file under "guilty pleasures", because it's hardly a work of art, but oh, so much fun!

plus, the title is a clever pun, another guilty pleasure of mine :)

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head and tried not to show that he picked up on it! McCain is an asshole!

I think anybody who watched this debate segment would agree that Mccain seemed to dismiss that kid. I know I was really angry!!

Nice smackdown, I'm happy to read this response and Mccain deserved it.

What I loved was when McTroll threw out the "that one" remark was they way the young man tilted his head as if to say, "Tell me you did not just call an US Senator 'that one'".

I think it was CNN that had that camera angle.

I cringed when McCain said that.

Oh and McCain is a doofus.

I let out a Yahoo, and called my daughter to read his post. A SALUKI, YAHOO. Poor mccain, did that to a man who had just spent probably at least two years at a university in Illinois. mccain, you have been served.

I'm smarter than you, you stupid old fuck.

due to the fact that William Alexander McCain, 19th Century plantation owner in Carrol County, Mississippi, owner of 57 slaves was John McCain's great great grandfather? Maybe the acorn has fallen from the tree.

wrote this response.

SIU rocks! Jim Belushi also went to SIU. Loved living there.

as well as others that are not as universally known.

Fast facts about SIU.

http://news.siu.edu/fastfacts.html

Hey Jesuswasntafascist, it's not all bad down here, is it? There are a few good guys down here at Southern. :hi:

:toast: They used to have THE BEST HALLOWEEN PARTIES EVER! (70's)

Based upon his noted education, I'd say he is a good bit more intelligent than mccain.
Sorry--intelligenter.

after McBush suggested he was as dumb as a Republiscum.

Go Go Go McSame

and make sure you close the door.

I felt that they would pull that card as soon as I saw him stand up to ask the question. Their theory is this: "It's a black guy, so surely they are all just falling in lockstep with Obama because he's black. They don't know anything!"

:rofl:

They asked a few questions regarding my choice in the Presidential election. They asked who I would vote for. I said most likely I would be voting for Barack Obama. They followed with, "is there any chance that you would change your mind"? I said "Of course anything is possible." They then asked me as an uncommitted voter would I like to participate in the Town hall debate. I said "Of course!"

stupid fucks. My guess is, they had a hard time finding people who were not going to vote for Obama.

for Obama/Biden because they appeal to them, while McCain/Palin appeal to the Joe Sixpack crowd...

No wonder the country is in shambles after eight years of that Joe Sixpack's crew at the helm!!

A true Master of the townhall! Bravo, McLame.

it was..and only highlights "That ONE":silly:

Thank you, Facebook guy~

Hello, Countdown staff! :hi:

:rofl:

... I picked up on McCain's remark as well.
I said to Sweetie, "Now why would McCain assume that guy had never heard of Freddie or Fannie? Because he's a youngish black guy? What an asshole!"

I'm glad the guy was able to comment on it, and that I was able to read his comment...

Mr. Oliver Clark is far more educated than McCain, and it must've been tough to sit there and listen to this candidate for high office talk talk down to him. McCain didn't even answer Oliver's question.

:rofl:

And I felt that McCain's statement was condescending and racist as all hell. I don't think he would have said that to an older white male.

I'm glad the questioner has come forward.

:yourock:

In your face McCain!

the military man who asked a question as well, in the aftermath of the debate.

I think he was trying to give listeners the idea that ordinary people don't know about these things. But when I watched it I thought "what a racist jerk". And I felt terrible for the insult to this man. I am so glad that he wrote about himself to set the record straight.

than McINSANE'S veep pick. McINSANE shouldn't judge other people on his veep pick's scale. x(

I've been waiting to hear from this guy! Well done, Ben.

I'd like to hear more about why he was undecided.

And I believe he also said Freddie and FRannie one time.....

Love it!

that gets him in trouble"

:rofl:

Better keep an eye on that one.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1n03a7cLf0M

He's far more qualified than Palin or McCain, for that matter.

Classic. Absolutely fuckin' wonderful.

I would love to see this story get some legs!!! Cenk? Rachel? Keith?

The guy didn't tell MaGoo that he knew about Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. MaGoo lost a lot of undecided because he left right after the debate. Past his bedtime I guess.

I remember thinking, when McLame said that, "Condescend more, tool."

.... however, I thought that it was just him playing to his base of the "stupid vote", like the woman I heard call into NPR after the vice presidential debate, all upset because Joe Biden used big words that she didn't understand (I'm not making this up), and gave that as a reason for voting for McCain/Palin.

Please.

:hi:

Whatever, but John McCain only seems to know how to insult people. He would be about as capable of reaching across the aisle as Dick Cheney and we know how well that has worked.

Something that is surprising is that the latest Gallup daily tracking poll would have been after the debate and it showed no change from the previous day, 52-41 Obama. These national polls all seem suspect this year. Many of them still have McCain within 4-5 points which is less than the State polls in places like Virginia and Florida are showing. With McCain's bumbling, the economic meltdown and the disarray in our foreign policy one would think that the actual margin would be in landslide territory, say, 15%.

I can tell you one thing for sure, you way more qualified to his VP!

First "That one." Then the idiotic misrepresentation of the planetarium projector. Now this.

As I watched the debate, I couldn't believe what a condescending statement McCain made. I hollered at my TV, "I bet this guy knows more about Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac than you do, douchebag!" I noticed Oliver was smiling after McCain insulted his intelligence, so it was obvious he thought it was f'ed up also.

I am so grateful to Oliver Clark for responding publicly to McCain on this. My mood has just been elevated several notches thanks to this wonderful young American!

Is it too late to take McCain up on his offer of 10 town hall debates? :rofl:

It wasn't even a caller. It was said by a temporary replacement for the usual wingnut morning man who warms the folks up for Limbaugh. Nice work in getting this story out there, gang.

i had the same reaction. anyone who has not heard of at least fannie may would not be sitting in that town hall. mc cain is so insulting, he is given talking points and is so out of touch with who he is talking to, that he sounds disconnected. why not ask sarah the babe if she knows who freddie mac is, betcha' she would find it hard to find a definition.

At no time did I take McCain's comment as racist or belittling the guy's youthful demeanor. I wonder how many people in their 30s, 40s, and even beyond knew much about Freddy and Fannie. I sure as hell didn't and I am in my early 40s.

If there is one thing which drives me bananas, it is the constant vigilance for being insulted. And let me tell you, my friends: if you seek insult, ye will find it...

i am sure that wasn't the first...or the last time that black man will be insulted by a condescending white person. it happens to me all the time.

and my mother is Hispanic from the Caribbean, so yeah. And guess where I was called an ethnic slur? In my uberliberal hometown. I was 19-years-old and it cut me to the quick. Boo-effing-hoo. I am not going to walk around with a subjective filter coloring my interactions in life. And I am sure that they come into play more times than I care to admit. Why do you think Obama has been so successful? Damn, if anyone has a right to scream 'racism!' it would be him but he is too positive to go there. He knows that it solves absolutely NOTHING.

but sticking your head in the sand and pretending is not healthy either. i *correct* people when they do something or say something that offends my personhood, and in doing so, i put the blame on them where it belongs. i am not a passive victim of racism, nor will i participate in denying it by pretending it doesn't exist. i seriously doubt that obama, a self-respecting black man, would allow someone to insult him without addressing it, in some manner.

-Ferraro said that had Obama been White, he wouldn't have been in his position as candidate for Prez.

-He had Hillary say that it took President Johnston to sign a bill that MLK pushed (WTF?! Obama's running for president; he's not a minister so that comment was alluding to his race).

-He had some crazy PUMA White lady call him "an inadequate Black man"

-He had Bob Johnston, former head of BET, say he was running the streets 'doing what he was doing' which almost makes it sound like a gangbanger

-He had Andrew Young saying that Bill Clinton probably had more Black women than Obama, who is MARRIED to one!

(The last two cracks, by Black men, are particularly odious.)


Obama could have complained about these, and the many other, racially-tinged comments made about him over the last two years. I am sure in his life he has gotten shit for being biracial. But Obama is so focused and above it all that he lets it roll off his shoulders instead of rolling in that toxic garbage. So no, he doesn't confront stuff like that; he IGNORES it. And that is why he is where he is.

You don't know what is going through people's minds sometimes and you can't accuse people of racism unless you are pretty damn sure about it. That comment by McCain was innocent. I don't think McCain is racist, but I DO think he allows these dangerous audience members too much free reign and should correct them.

as a campaign tactic he can choose not to address it, but it is still an issue in the campaign, as mcacain and palin well know. that's something no one can ignore because it is on display for the world to see.
i doubt obama would allow a colleague to make a racist joke or call him the n word to his face.

i do think mccain is probably a racist...and palin too. but since they are republicans, it's not exactly a revelation since racism is a republican party value.

now i do think there is a difference between their racism and the racism of some of their supporters, but it's still racism.

the good thing about obama is that our economic crisis is so severe that even those americans who may harbor some racist feelings towards black people are voting for him anyway.

You can demand that any racial taunting in the workplace, schools, and other public areas is prohibited. Let's face it--this was not that type of situation. You know and I know it. You are trying to equate a true racial incident with what occurred yesterday and I am telling you, dewd--it's a mistake. Save your battles for the clear-cut cases of true racism. I heard some bonehead yell something against Obama at a McCain rally and I saw him seem to flinch. I don't think he is a racist. He and his wife adopted a very dark-skinned girl from India (or nearby) and took shit about it during the 2000 campaign. Very ugly smear job against him then.

and there are no mistakes, though no doubt some ugly truths. i think mccain, like many republicans, is racist to some extent, regardless of his wife's adoption of a girl from bangladesh. and you are correct: even though he is employing racist tactics now, those very same tactics were used against him and his adopted daughter, bridget in 2000.

who are you to judge what is a "true racial incident" and what isn't? if the man mccain was condescending to didn't think it was racial, then i'd take his word for it because he experienced it.

i sure as hell can demand zero tolerance of racism in my workplace: it's called the law. just ask my supervisor about that. she had an unfortunate "mistake" and used the n word at work. our hr department took appropriate action by giving her an official reprimand.

BURN!

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