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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 05:01 PM
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That’s a Pretty Big Glitch - NY Times
That’s a Pretty Big Glitch

Published: October 8, 2008

Election officials, who will have plenty on their minds on Nov. 4, have one more thing to worry about: Diebold electronic voting machines that drop votes. Ohio’s secretary of state raised the alarm after local officials reported problems with the March primary count. Diebold has since notified more than 30 states to be on the lookout for missing votes.

In the early days of electronic voting, critics who warned that it was unreliable were dismissed as alarmist. Now it seems that hardly an election goes by without reports of serious vulnerabilities or malfunctions.

In the case of Diebold, votes are being dropped when they are transferred from individual machines to the central server in a county’s election headquarters. When an election worker inserts the memory card from a machine into the server, a green arrow is supposed to light up after all of the votes have been uploaded and added to the county’s totals. In some cases, the green arrow is wrong, and none of the votes have been added.

When election officials in Ohio’s Butler County first spotted the problem, Premier Election Solutions — a unit of Diebold — suggested that antivirus software on the voting machines or human error was at fault. That turned out not to be true; the fault was Diebold’s. In August, the company notified clients of the software glitch, advising election officials not to rely on the green arrow, but to use alternative methods of checking that every memory card — and every vote — is counted.

When dropped votes are noticed — and so far they appear to have been — they can be recovered. But the flaw is troubling, the latest in a long line of problems.

Computer scientists have shown that electronic voting machines are easy to hack. And voters report errors like vote flipping, in which the vote they cast for one candidate is recorded for another. Ohio’s secretary of state, Jennifer Brunner, is suing Diebold over the vote-dropping and noted that its machines crashed repeatedly during last year’s voting in Cuyahoga County.

There is no time left between now and Election Day for states and localities to upgrade their machines or even to fix the vote-dropping software. All they can do is double-check their vote totals, audit their paper trails and be on the lookout for the next, as-yet-undiscovered computer glitch. After that, Congress must require that all states adopt voting systems that include voter-verifiable paper records for every electronic vote cast.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/09/opinion/09thu2.html?_r=1&ei=5070&emc=eta1
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csziggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 05:03 PM
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1. What do they mean there is no time left - this was found months ago
And there were indications as far back as 2004 this sort of thing was happening. They just did not want to fix it since it helps cover up vote stealing.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 05:15 PM
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5. years go by and the corporate Republicans block us and block us at every turn
They do not want The People to vote.
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 05:17 PM
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7. No, they do want people to vote.
Edited on Thu Oct-09-08 05:19 PM by intheflow
On electronic voting systems. So they can continue to perpetuate the lie that the U.S. has fair elections. What they don't want is a return to verifyable, pre-electronic voting systems, like pen and paper.
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csziggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 05:26 PM
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12. Yes, even though here in Florida the entire state uses paper ballots
The law restricts counting them by using optical scanners. Idiots. The entire point to having those paper ballots is so if there is a question they can be counted by actual human beings. But the Repub controlled Florida government does not want that - ever.
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 05:15 PM
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6. Indications as far back as 2000.
The first time the Bush cabel stole an election.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_voting#Documented_problems
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csziggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 05:28 PM
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13. Yes, the Democratic Party is not that interested in fair elections any more than the Repubs
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 05:04 PM
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2. Looks like they're going to steal it again
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FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 05:08 PM
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3. Real fucking simple solution.
Paper ballots. Takes no time to implement. Return faulty equipment to Diebold for refund.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 05:13 PM
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4. This is EXACTLY what I don't get. WTF? Return the machines for a refund and use paper! How hard can
it be?!
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gemlake Donating Member (535 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 05:19 PM
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8. "After that, Congress must require that all states
adopt voting systems that include voter-verifiable paper records for every electronic vote cast."

I don't understand why this wasn't the first legislative priority for the Democrats. A paper trail is a MUST.
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Bippity Boo Donating Member (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 05:20 PM
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9. Why is the NYT pushing this with urgency NOW?
Same with the registration purge story. Seems like they're about a friggin' month too late. Now all they are doing is the GOP's work for them -- convincing people that voting is useless.
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BadgerKid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 05:22 PM
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10. Addition was invented in ancient Iraq 10,000 years ago
and then Diebold comes along. WTH?

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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 09:27 PM
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16. Maybe that's why Bushco bombed it.
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azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 05:26 PM
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11. Who wants to bet the Reps will use this to try to claim Obama 'stole' the election
and will point to this as evidence. They have no shame.
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FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 05:56 PM
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14. Then maybe we'll have a strong bipartisan movement to get rid of electronic voting.
Why the fuck not?
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 09:28 PM
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17. Count on it.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 09:01 PM
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15. kick
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 10:40 PM
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18. k&r n/t
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 10:55 PM
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19. Let me guess - 99% of votes dropped are for Democratic candidates
*that* kind of 'big glitch', right?
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