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phrigndumass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-08 09:02 PM
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HOLY CRAP ... Obama up by 10 points in ... COLORADO
Public Policy Polling:

Obama 52, McCain 42 ... Udall up by 10 also :D

http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2008/10/obama-lead-in-colorado-hits-double.html
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-08 09:03 PM
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1. I like! I like!
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Razoor Donating Member (472 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-08 09:03 PM
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2. great to hear!
I hope colorado goes blue this year!!
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Seen the light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-08 09:03 PM
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3. Why can't Obama seal the deal???????????????
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liberalpragmatist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-08 09:10 PM
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16. I half-expect that on Nov. 5, they'll say "Obama Couldn't Close the Deal..."
"... in this climate, Obama should have won by 30 points! The fact that he could only win by 10 proves that Americans see through Barack Obama's false promises."
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-08 11:28 PM
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54. They WILL be saying: "Voter Fraud to be Investigated." "Key States Need Recounts." And more "Obama
Steals Election" crap.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 04:17 PM
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66. And they'll blame it on ACORN
guaranteed.
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crankychatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-08 09:04 PM
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4. HOLY CRAP, Holy Crap, holy crap crap crap crap crap
there's an echo in here

"I came. I saw. I concurred."
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PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-08 09:06 PM
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5. Great news. Check this out from your link:
The numbers paint a picture that shows it nearly impossible for McCain to win the state at this point. Only 6% of voters are undecided, and among those who do have a preference currently only 6% say there's any chance they could change their mind. Obama's lead at this point is such that McCain would have to win virtually every undecided, keep everyone who could change their mind currently supporting him in his camp, and win over almost 100% of current Obama supporters who say they aren't totally committed to him.

:thumbsup:
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phrigndumass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-08 09:07 PM
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9. LOL! Un-phrign-believable!
:woohoo:
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endthewar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-08 09:07 PM
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10. That kind of voter hardening is taking place all over this country
I know I've seen that in a couple of other polls too. I think Chuck Todd predicted this earlier. About 2 months ago he said that, especially because of early voting, this election will be decided by October 15. This poll helps to confirm that belief.
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-08 09:46 PM
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37. OR...
...have more McCain-supporters show up at the polls than Obama-backers.

While I don't disregard polls altogether, I would point out that, in a country where, usually, only 50% (at most) go to the polls on Election Day, even a 10% lead means nothing if your opponent can get 60% of their voters to cast ballots, and you can get only 40% of yours.

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chascarrillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 04:20 PM
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67. True. That said, I don't think that our GOTV effort will be slackin'.
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aaaaaa5a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-08 10:32 PM
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46. That's a great quote...


I'm going to cut, paste and save that. Because at some point, years from now, probably on a completely different topic, I will be in an online argument with someone, where that quote will be most helpful. :rofl:
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dbmk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 11:00 AM
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64. !) If the polling is correct and 2) You get people to vote
There is a LOT of ifs and buts in polling. And they tend to present it as if they were not there.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-08 09:06 PM
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6. more holy crap!!!!!
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phrigndumass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-08 09:08 PM
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11. National Trend ... "Strong Dem" :)
Can we pop the champagne yet? lol ...
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-08 09:25 PM
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28. NOT UNTIL WE GET 270 ELECTORAL VOTES.
Do I have to do my Josh Lyman act on all of you?
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 07:24 AM
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56. North Carolina, West Virginia and Georgia are all in play.
WOW!
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-08 09:06 PM
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7. I found this very interesting indeed..........
Colorado also provides a clear example of how Sarah Palin's popularity across the country continues to fall. Right after the GOP convention her favorability was 41/38. Three weeks later it was 38/47. Now it's dropped to 36/49.


With numbers like these, I don't know how Sarah dare show her face in 2012.
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endthewar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-08 09:09 PM
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12. If I was Sarah Palin's personal advisor
I would make her aware of this. When she goes on the attack in the way that she's doing, she's raising her own negatives as well for a ticket that has a ghost of a chance at winning.
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-08 09:15 PM
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21. Well, I'm not her adviser, and I say "let Sarah be Sarah", she's the best
thing that could have happened to the Obama/Biden ticket. Outside the 20-some percent who still approve of the job Bush is doing, Sarah is radioactive.
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LittleBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-08 09:07 PM
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8. Yay!
Gobama 8)
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gratefultobelib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-08 09:09 PM
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13. Such wonderful numbers!!
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WindRiverMan Donating Member (693 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-08 09:09 PM
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14. I grew up in Colorado, lived in Alaska, doing a temp stint in Wyoming.
Colorado has a lot of democratic areas. The I-25 corridor south of Colorado springs is Democratic. Closed steel mills in Pueblo and closed coal mines down to Trinidad. The eastern plains are mostly farmers and ranchers, but they are dying, their kids are moving to the city and the cities are buying the farmland up. They are poor and population declining, still a lot of hispanics are moving in to help on the farms.

The west slope is strongly democratic, lots of yuppies and hippies call places like Glenwood Springs home. Denver has seen a strong influx of Californians and Easterners who long for cheaper housing and open spaces, it has evened out.

Colorado Springs is still the last bastian of Republican Dominance. The Air Force Academy and Fort Carson are Republican strongholds. Plus Dobson's Focus on the Family headquarters is in Springs.


This does not surprise me a bit.
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McCCain4retirment Donating Member (345 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-08 09:11 PM
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17. I think boulder will be the county that wins it for Obama.
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WindRiverMan Donating Member (693 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-08 09:12 PM
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18. As an alumni of CU, I sure hope so!!!!
Go BUFFS!
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Turn CO Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 10:42 AM
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59. Boulder and Denver counties are IN THE TANK for Obama!
Don't ya know?

I think everyone will be amazed at the number of counties that come in for Obama in CO! We're working like we're 10 behind here.

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Turn CO Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 10:51 AM
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60. Jefferson County (Westminster) will offset El Paso county (Colo Spgs)
At least that's my thinking.

And it goes without saying that Denver and Boulder Counties will go dark, dark blue.

El Paso county and the western slope are McCain's only shot - but Jefferson county mailed out 200K mail-in ballots already - so mail-in and live turnout participation is going to amount to an avalanche this year!

What I'm really hoping is that the change we see in Colo Spgs (of a gentler faith and awakening) actually turns El Paso county a solid purple, if not blue.

It'd be nice to hear about ol' James Dobson (that obtuse blowhard) sputtering on Nov 5th!

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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 10:56 AM
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62. Obama just opened a new office in Highlands Ranch, of all places.
And they're looking for another space on the eastern side of it, too. I'm totally in awe.
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 10:54 AM
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61. I had wondered about your Wind River name. I've driven alongside
it and over it so often I could probably do it in my sleep.
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WindRiverMan Donating Member (693 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 11:59 AM
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65. I am an environmental toxicologist for the United States Government
I get around a bit, but I try to keep my happy ass in the west. When you grew up in a town of 5000 people, going to a shopping mall with 5000 people is a little daunting. I am trying to help out some here with the concerns regarding oil and gas development in Wyoming. Unfortunatley, Wyoming seems beyond help. Weak environmental laws and the heads of the beasts are all pro energy to the exclusion of everything else. I do what I can, which is sometimes no more than whisper something into someone's ear, maybe get an idea going. I won't stay here much longer. Another year or so then I go back to Alaska. She stole my heart a long time ago.
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McCCain4retirment Donating Member (345 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-08 09:10 PM
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15. My states coming home
and I'm thrilled to hear that about Udall
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-08 09:17 PM
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22. Just a headsup, I think that pic may get you into some trouble around here...(nt)
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-08 09:13 PM
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19. How good is this polling firm? I hear they can be off.
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-08 09:15 PM
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20. They suck. From what I understand they are one of the
least reliable. So take it with a grain of salt.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-08 09:19 PM
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24. According to 538's rankings, it is next to the most accurate!
Edited on Sat Oct-11-08 09:20 PM by FrenchieCat


The way to read these numbers is that Survey USA, for example, has been an average of 1.34 more accurate than an average pollster; this is an outstanding number, and remains something of an outlier. We've also included a couple of new major media pollsters: ABC/Washington Post, which is fairly decent, and CBS/NYT, which is pretty awful. Oh, and the Zogby Interactive polls, which are off-the-charts bad -- considerably worse than Zogby's telephone polls, which are themselves quite poor. Insider Advantage has moved up a little bit; I don't like certain elements of their methodology, but their results have been fairly decent, and they're smart enough to stick to polling in the South, which is a region that they know well. Gallup continues to subsist on name recognition only. Their national polls may be fine, but they aren't doing anyone any favors when they deign to poll state-by-state matchups.
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/03/pollster-ratings-updated.html
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phrigndumass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-08 09:22 PM
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26. You beat me to it, lol
:hi:

PPP is really having a good year this year.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-08 09:26 PM
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29. Gotch Yar Back......
:)
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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-08 09:41 PM
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32. PPP is not accurate - that is an old stat - 538.com has PPP at #12 now n/t
Edited on Sat Oct-11-08 09:43 PM by FreeState
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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-08 09:39 PM
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31. Thats a very old ranking - they are 12th most accurate on the current ranking
Edited on Sat Oct-11-08 09:42 PM by FreeState
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/search/label/pollster%20ratings

The graphic you posted is from March - this one is the most current and its from May. Time to update your files:)

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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-08 09:42 PM
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33. You seem accurate......
I googled it...and obviously didn't drill down.
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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-08 09:43 PM
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35. Unfortunately - I wish they were higher up:) n/t
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-08 09:52 PM
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39. well most of the ones that are rated above them are small regional
pollsters that don't do that many polls and are limited geographically.

PPP still outpolls most national pollsters
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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-08 10:02 PM
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41. It looks like its within an additional 1.86% of the state range of error - 4.56 - crap poll IMO n/t
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-08 11:16 PM
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52. That's what I had read, but I would LOVE to wrong about it!
And, hopefully, I am!

:D
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phrigndumass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-08 09:17 PM
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23. They use huge samples, larger than most other firms ...
and I haven't seen a major outlier from them yet this year (most likely because of the huge samples). The margin of error is small, 2.7%.

The poll also says that Obama has made big gains among Hispanic voters in Colorado (up 15 points in two weeks), and I've seen that trend myself:



:hi:
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crossroads Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-08 09:21 PM
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25. Swwweeeeeeet! nt
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Motown_Johnny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-08 09:24 PM
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27. I lived in various rural areas of Colorado for about ten years, trust me. Racism won't play well
there.


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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-08 09:26 PM
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30. Wow. This is looking like a blowout.
:wow: *fingers crossed*
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-08 09:42 PM
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34. Woo Hoo !!! - K & R !!!
:woohoo:

:kick:
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Bryn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-08 09:45 PM
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36. I know Arkansas seems hopeless, but we are going to wake up to Blue Arkansas!
:hi:
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crossroads Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-08 09:47 PM
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38. Kick
:kick:
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Psst_Im_Not_Here Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-08 09:58 PM
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40. Woohoo Yay US!!!!
Just added some stuff to my Obama window today! Go COLORADO!!!
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aaaaaa5a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-08 10:26 PM
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42. Yes We Can!!!! n/t
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-08 10:27 PM
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43. rocky mountain HIGH FIVE!
great
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-08 10:27 PM
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44. Good! They'll need that to counteract the massive voter purging going on by the Repuke Sec. of State
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-08 10:30 PM
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45. Guys, with NM and IA also solid Obama this gives us the 270 we need!
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-08 10:36 PM
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48. Uh, huh, but you're getting Ohio, Nevada, Virginia and N.Carolina anyway. nt
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-08 10:34 PM
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47. Sorry, John, it's over.
Bush Lite is just not good enough for the voting public anymore.
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darius15 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-08 10:39 PM
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49. Although PPP has a 2-3 point Dem lean, Obama still has a nice lead in Colorado!
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Tutonic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-08 10:40 PM
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50. The righteous James Dobson must be burning Obama in Effigy.
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DCBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-08 10:50 PM
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51. This is great news! A CO victory pretty much seals it.
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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-08 11:25 PM
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53. I... like... politicking 'till I'm dead...
polls showing Obama ahead...

AND TWIIINS!



And I LOVE YOU, TOO!

:beer:
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Kaleko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 05:11 AM
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55. Yeah. We won.
(And I won't take no for an answer).

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occe Donating Member (558 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 07:25 AM
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57. Good news..
Now, everyone just needs to vote on Nov. 4.
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Hope And Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 08:30 AM
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58. K & R!
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meow2u3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 10:58 AM
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63. YIPPEE!!! Pennsylvania's turned DARK BLUE!
:kick:
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