OK, that's it.. Hillary just won me over.

She used a variation of her "It took a Clinton to clean up....." line to help Sen. Obama. The new variation is "it took a Democrat to clean up ......"


That's it.

Even I can't hold a grudge anymore, and I am good at it.


Three cheers for Hillary Clinton....

:-)

I loved the line: Instead of asking "Who are you for?" Americans should be asking "Who is for us?".
She is really hitting it out of the ballpark. I hope Obama makes sure Hillary has a prominent role in his administration.

I am sorry I never got to see her wipe the floor with SP in a VP debate! Now THAT would have been a sight!

She's got the crowd roused up in a positive way. No one is yelling to kill McCain cause we just don't do that as Democrats! Notice that there's a positive feeling, lots of happiness and laughter. Not like those REP rallies that feel like a cross between a funeral and a street riot.

when Biden mentioned McCain's service, said we honor that. And Hillary was unbelivable. This was a great event, wish more people had seen it.

When McCain called for respect he was roundly booed by the whole crowd, not just a few knuckleheads. When Obama called for respect, using almost the same words, there was a polite golf-clap.

who supported Hillary and insisted that she would support Obama if he were the ultimate nominee and WE were slammed and insulted and called names, as if EVERY Hillary supporter was a "PUMA" (whatever that is) and not worthy to even be allowed to post on DU.

*I* was a Hillary supporter and *I* said from the beginning that I would support Obama if he were the nominee and I could not imagine Hillary and Bill and all the rest of them not ultimately coming out for the nominee.

Of course she was a fighter and one helluva speaker. Of course she was passionate about her own campaign; would you want her to be anything less?

So now here are all the bravos for Hillary. Excuse me if I tap my foot impatiently waiting for the apologies.


I have a custom-made rubber stamp on my desk. It just says "I.T.Y.S."




Tansy Gold

It unfolded just like you said it would. :rofl:

Yes, I'm very happy with her now, but she still ran a vile campaign that should have ended six months before it did.

:hi:

who just slammed Hillary?

Why don't YOU say it to that person if you feel so strongly about it? :crazy:

"the primaries are over?"

If you're not "policing" DU?

Happy now? Any more hoops you want me to jump through? :eyes:

Your horse lost, get over it.

months ago. I always said I would strongly support Barack, even when I disagreed with him. Methinks you're the one who hasn't gotten over it.

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keep telling people the "primaries are over" and "get over it" and feeling good about yourself. Nothing I'm going to say will stop you.

:hi:

Its over. No reason to go back. try going forward.

leave it burried.

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“John McCain has the experience to be Commander in Chief, I have the experience to be Commander in Chief, but Barack Obama does not.”

:grr:

Nope didn't think so.

:eyes:

Obama to apologize for saying that Hillary is "the master of the broken system," that she's "the status quo," and "fundamentally incapable of bringing change to Washington?" Or the fact that he said she would "say or do anything to get elected?" How about when he called her "Bush/Cheney-lite?"

Steve

:hi:

and she's "periodically" upset. Also putting down the Clinton administration repeatedly (all those comments about not going back to the 90s come to mind). Yeah, because the 90s were such a horrible time in our country. Right now, most of the country would probably love to go back to the 90s, a balanced budget and a large projected surplus. Yeah, the 90s were horrible........

She's far from being the only one who thought the same way.

:shrug:

Her campaign was an honorable one which is officially revered as a cherished part of Democratic Party history. And it should not have ended six months before it did. Putting aside that you have her campaign ending in December, she also should not have ended the race in February or March. That would have invalidated the Obama nomination to many, since the claim that a victory in the PD-count entitled him to the nomination is not supported by the rules of the Democratic Party or by past precedent.

As it is, she ended her campaign at a remarkably early point, by historical standards. Historically, any race this close had always gone to the Convention. But Hillary, the ultimate team player, rallied to Obama's side at an unusually early juncture. And the difference she has made for him in the GE is enormous. She deserves a lot of credit for the strong position our party is in. You can pretend it isn't true if you like--but that doesn't make it stop being true.

Steve

:hi:

I also see her winking references to "hard-working whites" have been adopted by the McCain camp.

in March, April, May and June and she won them all by wide margins (except for IN). To millions of us Hillary was THE candidate. Didn't like it at the time? Well, too bad....

I think Hillary is doing a fantastic job. If she had been the nom, I would have gladly voted for her. I think she is being very classy and awesome.

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I agree. Some things said to em I'll never forgive.

everything i said was said in defense of my candidate. Im willing to let by gones be by gones but if you start this crap up again, then your the only one to blame.

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there were many things done during the primary that people were offended by. Sorry you can't understand that. Some people can forgive..others can't.

there are very few of the "usual suspects" who fed off of Clinton bashing posting on this thread.

To those who are here, I salute you and thank you. I see some of you complimenting Hillary, and, for me, that is enough.

I, too, was one who supported Hillary, saying that, if he was the ultimate candidate, Senator Obama would be MY candidate. It was painful to see the horrid things said about both Bill and Hillary even long after the Convention had passed.

To those who will tell you and me that the primaries are over...I will say yes, they are, and we know that. We have nothing to "get over".

I am not sorry I supported Senator Clinton. I am proud of her. But I cannot help but note that there are quite obviously some who will never get over the fact that she even came close, and will not give the Clintons their due even now.

That said....I will say...keep up the good work, Sentators...all 3 of you. GOBAMA!

The BEST we've had in years.

Their voting records were nearly identical.

They're ALL middle of the road Democrats.

All three would have fought in Florida and Ohio and not rolled over and played dead. All would have fought, others would have fought for them and, if necessary, they would have cheated to win. We need more like them.

But many of those are coming around. I'm just glad for it. :)

She's now OK because she's busting her butt campaigning for Obama. She was not so OK when she was his opponent. Whatever........

:eyes:

I am so proud of her. Especially the part when she said she was deputizing everyone to go out and talk to family members who haven't made up their minds.

She was awesome!

:)

:applause:

n/t

thanks Johnny.

I knew deep down anyone that has a screen name that honors Motown was ok in my book!!!

I'd like to catch it online if I can . . .

You just got to love her! :loveya:

She is now a Goddess of mine! :patriot:

since she got rid of that despicable Mark Penn.

The greedy conflict-of-interest bastard sold her down river.


And PS, I'm not a Hillary diehard -- just someone who watched the primaries unfold. I fully expected to see Hillary win and was shocked when her campaign turned out to be self-destructive. And, I think most of the blame goes to Penn. She trusted him and he screwed her over.

Three cheers for HC!

Senator Hillary Clinton!

I knew she'd come through. I love having her in New York, but a nice job in President Obama's cabinet couldn't hurt! :)

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Attorney General? Health and Human Services?

I don't know exactly how much power that position has, but it seems like it will be important for the next 4 years with so many more foreclosures expected to happen.

Her campaign may have stunk, but she is blessed with smarts and a real ability to roll with the punches.

Not meant to be snark. :hi:

relations with the military leaders from her years on the Senate Armed Services Committee. I think she is the right person to answer the phone when President Obama calls his Secretary of Defense at 3 AM.

Also, I think that Wes Clark would would make a terrific Secretary of State or National Security Adviser. And I think Hillary and Wes would work great together.

Steve

For many reasons. Do you foresee Obama asking to meet with Hillary on a regular basis with the intent of discussing things relevant just for a Secretary of Defense position? Also, Hillary doesn't even seem, from the outside, that she would be interested in this. Whenever she talks about her life's work, it's always about domestic policy. It would be like Obama asking Hillary to drop her life's work on all of these other issues at the drop of a hat. She might even be a little offended by this. Also, Obama has suggested that he would like a bi-partisan cabinet. Secretary of Defense is a good spot to fill for this, not a cabinet position dealing with domestic issues.

I've always liked Wes Clark too. He was my second favorite to be V.P. after Joe Biden. Speaking of working together, I thought that might have been one of the reasons that Obama chose not to pick Hillary for V.P.. He seems to be leaning to perhaps choosing Bill Richardson for a high cabinet position, perhaps even Secretary of State. From my perspective there seems to be some discontent that still remains between Richardson and Hillary, almost to the extent where one might worry about putting them both in high cabinet positions.

She has done nothing but be fantastic. Her campaign turned me off, but with how she's acting now it seems pretty clear that it was her advisor's who sucked. I can not imagine how hard it would be to swallow your pride a start campaigning for the other guy. She has shown repeatedly that she loves her country and the Democratic Party. Even things that I questioned (the roll call vote) went a LONG way toward unity in the party. She's a smart cookie and a great lady. We are lucky to have her.

Some things must be remembered.

I can still smile for her and Bill getting out there. Bill is still brilliant.

And I'll NEVER forgive the Obama campaign for portraying both Clintons as racists. Quite convenient for their purposes though, as he ended up getting 91% of the AA vote by the time the primaries were over. I saw race baiting alright, but it didn't precisely come from the Clintons.

benefit. I'm not even sure why it would have made sense, even from a cynical and amoral standpoint, to engage in race-baiting in South Carolina (when the charge was first leveled) given that 55% of the voters were black and John Edwards was still in the race. Come to think of it....all of Clinton's shameful actions--the "attacks that backfired!"--started out as negative Hillary stories on day one. That's usually not how it works.

When Obama made his bitter comments in SF, Hillary let him have it. If the voters had responded by saying "this is dumb, who cares....now we're made at you Hillary" then that would be an example of an attack that backfired. But when a story starts out as a negative-Hillary story on day one then that is usually not a strategy that backfired. It usually means that there is a concerted campaign to redefine her as a human being in order to benefit the other side. One good example of this is the African garb photo that Matt Drudge published--that was at the top of the list of her supposed wrongdoings for awhile. Then it was disproven and quietly dropped.

The Democratic Primary of 2008, and what it took to bring down Hillary Clinton, will not exactly go down in the history books as America's finest hour. Sen. Clinton distinguished herself with her magnificent candidacy, but Democratic establishment and the mainstream news media did not.

Steve

if they would allow Hillary to get in the way. They only started vetting Obama after the Rev. Wright issue was made public by FOX and after the now famous SNL skit poking fun at the media fawning over him.

As for the "bitter" comment, that was the gift that kept on giving in PA. People were walking into the campaign offices just to vent, they were furious.

The African garb photo had already been published in some rag and I had actually seen it on some RW site way before it was sent to Drudge.

Yeah, this primary will go down in history alright. Personally, it taught me a valuable lesson: I will never ever again trust the Democratic party, "democratic" is a misnomer in this case.

:shrug:

I wasn't aware of this site.

:hi:

I also disagreed with her on a few of her issues, namely her health care plan. But she withdrew from the race and didn't take it to the convention floor, and for that I was very glad and was even willing to forgive her trespasses for what was a very ugly campaign. Also, in retrospect, I am now VERY grateful for the slightly muddy campaign she ran because it dredged up a LOT of stuff about Obama that now looks like old news in the hands of John McCain. She did all of us a favor, I think. In fact, I sometimes wonder if that was the point all along. So at this point, I am very grateful for Hillary Clinton. I'm no fan of her husband, but I think she's doing a great job.

This was not a dirty primary campaign season.

It was very long and it was dirty. Not as dirty as the general election season turned out to be, but for a primary, it was pretty damned dirty. My memory is very long on this issue.

I'll never forget how the LW of the party kneecapped the first viable female candidate to ever make it this far. A vote is all the party will get from me this election and that's only because McCain is a far worse choice. From now on I will vote for the candidate, not the party.

She went out and helped get him a lot of voters that he was having trouble winning over. And they weren't just Democrats--they were also independents.

I hope Obama remembers everything she did for him when it comes time to select his Secretary of Defense.

Steve

I don't know. In a way I'd rather she stay in the senate and ran for president again in the future. She's too good a candidate to waste her, not for nothing she won so many votes. I have heard from so many people wishing that she was the nominee, they felt that she could handle the economy far better than the two choices we have now. As a matter of fact, somebody who saw me on TV some moths ago doing an interview told me so this afternoon. It's funny how the woman thing is not even relevant anymore and that there are so many people who have no doubt that she could handle the presidency.

"boy, oh boy, could we use Hillary now!" Could you imagine if all of a sudden there was a four-way race for president? If suddenly you could drop her name on the ballot along side John McCain, Barack Obama and Mitt Romney? I think that in this climate she would win quite handily.

I was never supporting Hillary because I wanted to elect a woman president, I just thought that she was hands down the best person for the job.

Serving as Secretary of Defense would not preclude a future White House bid, if she still wants to do that. After the way she was treated this time around, I wouldn't blame her if she didn't run again.

Steve

I disagree with your political assessment.

I just don't know if she would want a cabinet post, she really does love being a senator. She didn't view it as just a stepping stone to the presidency, as some others do. She's a fantastic senator and she may not want to leave it.

:rofl:

OK, obviously exaggerating a little bit here. :hi: Her job must have been so frustrating the past couple of years. She had to waste a lot of her talents spending time figuring out what the hell Bush was doing and trying to find out ways to fix his mess.

There are plenty of senators of either party who enjoy their job.

I support them because having spent time on military, Ontario and Virginia medical plans, I think anything else encourages a healthcare hierarchy. In these systems, everybody's in, so everybody has a stake in making it work. That's my take.

treated as such by the party. It was honored and recognized at the Convention as a cherished part of Democratic Party history. I don't think the claim of an unusually negative campaign will hold up--in fact, I think it will be laughed out of the history books. Her campaign was no more ugly IMO then Hart vs. Mondale, Gore vs. Bradley or even Obama's campaign against her. I think that Barack's supporters really believed in him and felt that he should be the next president and so they regarded all her attacks/criticisms as being shameful and wrong, while his attacks were seen as legitimate, substantive and "of her own making."

Also, for the record, Hillary never apologized, came close to apologizing, hinted at "remorse," or showed a desire for "forgiveness and redemption." And I'm glad she didn't. As far as I'm concerned she has nothing to feel bad about--she did nothing wrong. She should only feel good about her campaign and all the voters who she inspired. By the time her campaign was over, I had never been more proud of her.

Steve

It'll take me a long time to trust The Clintons and their daughter, but I view her speech today as a positive.

I just hope that some day she too will be president.

She's done more for Obama than any previous rival candidate has ever done for a nominee.

:applause:

:)

God knows I would like to see Hillary Clinton in any of these positions:

1. Supreme Court
2. Secretary of Defense
3. Secretary of Education (does that cabinet position still exist, or have the Republicans managed to eliminate E/e-ducation?)

I welcome a unified Democratic Party. Hey, she can always run in 2012, right?

one of us in the party and outside to make this s success and regain the nation's reputation worldwide.

:evilgrin: Just keeping these on par.