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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 03:12 PM
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Poll question: Who is most to blame for what the Republican Party has become over
Edited on Sun Oct-12-08 03:44 PM by BullGooseLoony
the last 40+ years?


I'm taking suggestions.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 03:15 PM
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1. BFEE, don't forget them...
and don't forget the right wing extremists who have used religion to justify hatred, the ones like Falwell and Robertson. They certainly have played a huge role too.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 03:16 PM
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2. Pick one.
Give me a name.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 08:01 AM
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32. George HW would be a good start.
George W too while we are at it.
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Va Lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 03:16 PM
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3. I voted for Raygun
because they all think St. Ronnie walked on water, but Rush Limbaugh is a close second. His vile, mean-spirted, hate fueled show drives the rightwing noise machine.
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Inspired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 03:20 PM
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7. He's the one who sold the party out to Falwell and his so-called moral majority.
It is Reagan.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 03:21 PM
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8. Was that Reagan or Atwater? nt
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 03:17 PM
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4. where is Newt? I fault Newt.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 03:17 PM
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5. There you go
:)
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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 03:20 PM
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6. The Republican voters. eom
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 09:43 AM
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41. Unwitting victims, no?
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Motown_Johnny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 03:21 PM
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9. the electorate...
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 03:22 PM
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10. Bush is so forgotten he doesn't even get in a poll about his own disaster lol
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 03:23 PM
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12. Didn't forget him, but he's just the placeholder Chimp-in-Chief.
Really doesn't have anything to do with the party's ideology.


Probably shouldn't have even put Reagan up there.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 03:23 PM
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11. Atwater-he began their bogus marketing effort
Gingrich was around but (hey they ain't stupid) not really a part of the early decision making, they probably never wanted him to serve as anything other than a firebrand.

Rove is just doing what Atwater started.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 03:26 PM
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13. Agreed- and now Steve Schmidt after Rove.
Edited on Sun Oct-12-08 03:26 PM by BullGooseLoony
Although I think maybe one can reach even farther back than Atwater. This stuff really had its organic roots in the Civil Rights Era.
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gravity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 03:30 PM
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14. Rove pushed the party over the edge
His politics turned any sensible republican philosophies into strict dogma, which lead to the destruction of the party.

Other republican leaders planted the seeds for the party today, but at least they have some concept of compromise.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 03:37 PM
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17. I think that argument can be made as well-
that the Republicans hadn't "gone too far" until Rove took over, that he's the one who truly destroyed them.

They could have stepped back before him.
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Beregond2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 03:36 PM
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15. Nixon. He started it all.
The rest just followed in his path.
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chieftain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 03:39 PM
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19.  I agree. Nixon and his PR buddy Pat Buchanan settled
on the divide and conquer strategy that has been the hallmark of GOP politics ever since. We should also include Newt Gingrich and his hard line RW tactics that have left our Congress a battleground rather than a deliberative body.
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DawgHouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 03:37 PM
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16. Reagan and The Moral Majority. n/t
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JSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 04:24 PM
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31. Ditto (eom)
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 03:37 PM
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18. The Religious Reich!
Pat Robertson. Jerry Falwell. John Hagee. Paul Weyrich. James Dobson. Gary Bauer. These bastards took over the Republican party in the late 70's and that's when it became this fanatical neo-nazi party of hate.
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nini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 03:45 PM
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22. Agreed, the religious extremists and the greedy war mongers
.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 03:43 PM
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20. Reagan and hate radio
don't discount Weiner, Limpballs, and the 24/7 spewers of hate and violence.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 03:44 PM
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21. I'll put up Limbaugh. nt
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Undercurrent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 03:46 PM
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23. The Republican Party has become the bastard child
of the military/industrial/big pharma/banking elite complex (the fascist infrastructure), the corporate mainstream media (the manipulators), and the fundies (manipulators, minions, and thugs).

And what an UGLY child it is!

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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 03:47 PM
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24. 1. Reagan
2. Newt
3. Atwater
4. Nixon


Rumsfield, Darth Cheney, Baker, and Poppy had long term roles.

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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 04:00 PM
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25. Reagan was certainly the most influential figurehead, and could
be the most responsible for actually changing culture.

But do you think these Republican ideas actually came from him?
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 04:01 PM
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26. You may as well just ask "how old are you?". Basically the same results.
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goodgd_yall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 04:09 PM
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27. I'd like to say Reagan
but then it took the American electorate to get him in office, so I'd also have to say Republicans. (I'll let the non-Republicans who voted for Reagan off the hook since they don't really have influence over the direction of the Republican party.)
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DarthDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 04:12 PM
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28. Raygun - - But

By that I really mean his dangerous unelected cabal of maniac advisors (setting a precedent and a template for the Idiot Administration). He was a figurehead to begin with, and then a doddering old fool after the assassination attempt.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 04:22 PM
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29. That godamn TOOL Gerald Ford...
if he hadn't preemptively pardoned Nixon for "the good of the country" (my ass), so many of the current cockroaches would have been jailed (Cheney, Rumsfield, etc...) and the republican party would have been in tatters.
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PoiBoy Donating Member (842 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 04:22 PM
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30. My vote: George H.W. Bush..
A long but illuminating read, with many thanks to DUer Eloriel...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=1696082&mesg_id=1696082&page=

I agree that Reagan, like Dubya is just a figurehead for the "men behind the curtain"...

If I had to point the finger of blame in any direction, it would be at George H.W. Bush and that lifelong Ayn Rand devotee, Alan Greenspan...
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RichardRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 08:32 AM
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33. Reagan for the message, Rove for the implementation
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 09:23 AM
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34. 2%'ers
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renie408 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 09:26 AM
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35. How about blaming 30% of the American people? This stuff isn't created by one person.
One person might be selling it, but it takes a lot of eager buyers for the kind of sea change that occurred in the GOP.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 09:30 AM
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36. It really began with Nixon as causing crimes against the people.
I chose Reagan because he caused massive crimes against the American people and wasn't caught---only his people were caught. Nixon at least was caught. Then everyone following were just crime lords and the American people were always the victim.
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blue_onyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 09:38 AM
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37. Reagan is the one who started really pushing this...
"government is the problem, not the solution" nonsense. That's why Republicans have spent the last few decades trying to cut taxes and ruin the government, rather than trying to make it better.
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 09:39 AM
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38. Reagan. He's the one who signed the unholy pact with the neocons.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 09:41 AM
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39. If Ronald Reagan never got into office there would never have been a George W. Bush in the WH
The Reagan people searched for a name they could use to run in 2000. Two Bushes, with no previous government experience, ran for governors of large states. The only reason it was George and not Jeb was because Jeb lost Florida in 1994 but George won Texas
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 09:42 AM
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40. The people behind those people.
Bankers.
CEO's.
etc
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