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TTUBatfan2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 04:14 PM
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A question about Beau Biden's deployment...
If Barack and Joe are elected, will Beau be brought back to the U.S. out of concern for his safety since he would be a high profile target? They would just love to get their hands on him and hold him hostage.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 04:15 PM
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1. Whaa?
Edited on Sun Oct-12-08 04:15 PM by ShortnFiery
I'm lost on this one. :shrug:

p.s. Who is "they?"
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TTUBatfan2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 04:16 PM
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3. He got deployed to Iraq...
the day after the VP debate.
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Unsane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 04:16 PM
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4. Lost on what? The question's pretty clear.
I don't know the answer, though.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 04:17 PM
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6. Thanks for nothing. I don't get all this "concern" for children of politicians.
Edited on Sun Oct-12-08 04:17 PM by ShortnFiery
Yes, I'm lost because they should serve along with (aside) everyone else. Or are our politicians now dubbed "royalty?" :shrug:
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 04:18 PM
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8. Their presence could endanger their units...
They could be subject to kidnapping.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 04:20 PM
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10. Yes, that's why it wasn't an issue in year's past. This isn't a "cult of personality."
They wouldn't endanger their units if the press (and others) would stop treating THE FAMILY like celebrities.

But of course, today they will probably move him stateside. That's the most prudent action.
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 04:24 PM
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17. Ok, which POTUS and VP's had kids at war in the past?
Since you seem to know 'the years past'....
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 04:26 PM
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18. That's the point - we're NOT at war. It's an occupation. There's a difference. eom
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 04:32 PM
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20. That's not what you said...and what I addressed.
Edited on Sun Oct-12-08 04:34 PM by 1corona4u
You said;

"Yes, that's why it wasn't an issue in year's past. This isn't a "cult of personality."

Now, just what the fuck does that mean?? Do you have the facts, or don't you? I'm saying back up your statement.

Otherwise you lose credibility with me. And by the way, there is STILL danger there, be it occupation or war. Little difference in that region.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 04:38 PM
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21. Well FUCK! (can't keep up with yours though) There's danger everywhere and he's in the Green Zone.
Edited on Sun Oct-12-08 04:38 PM by ShortnFiery
Granted some stray mortar could drop on him, but he's relatively safe.

You want to get all "hot and bothered" by a politician's son helping to tamp down the fires of an civil war? No, we are occupying the country and not strictly at war.

Oh don't say that I've lost credibility with you?!? :( ... that would break my f**king heart. :evilgrin:

You do know I'm tweaking/teasing and this is all tongue-in-cheek?

I concur, if the person is the son/daughter of The President, then stateside is safest for both him/her and those who work with them. That point I'll give you. :hi:
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whistler162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 04:56 PM
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25. Actually FDR's sons served
One flew reconnaissance missions over occupied Africa and Europe(Army Air Corp).
One served as second in command of the 2nd Raider Battalion of the Marine.
the other two served in the Navy.
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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 05:45 PM
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28. It's a hostile environment. Their units are always in danger. nt
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 04:22 PM
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12. And the individuals themselves -- the children -- most likely agree.
But it goes into more than just protecting privileged kids. A high target person would add more responsibility/danger to those with whom s/he is serving, and also probably use resources for extra protection which could be better used elsewhere.

Philosophically I agree, but pragmatically, they might need to make exceptions if they feel it would be best for the rest of the troops and for the "war effort" (although that term makes me throw up in my mouth).
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 04:50 PM
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22. "Philosophically I agree, but pragmatically, they might need to make exceptions "
The voice of reason. I agree. Years ago, politicians sons and daughters were not "celebrities" like they're treated today. I'll have to dig down and admit that there is much more of a need to think of their safety and the people who work with them first.

Thanks gateley for putting it much more elegantly than I could have ever hoped to. :-)
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endthewar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 04:22 PM
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13. Their unit might be targetted
Look, I don't agree with this "concern", but I think that it is a debatable issue. The best points on that side of the argument deal with exposure of other members of his unit. :hi:
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 04:17 PM
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5. Joe's son is deploying to Iraq shortly.
I'm not sure which "they" the OP is referring to.
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TTUBatfan2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 04:18 PM
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7. I'm referring to terrorists...
in Iraq.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 04:22 PM
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14. Better not move him over here either, because there may be one under my bed!
Yikes! Shit, we have ONGOING low-level "civil war" in Iraq NOT "a terrorist uprising." :(
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endthewar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 04:23 PM
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15. Newsflash: Our troops are quelling a civil war
Bush just wants us to think that Iraq is chock full of terrorists and that's why we need 150,000 troops there.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 04:26 PM
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19. There are probably additional groups of which we're unaware who might
benefit from such a snatch, too.

McCain's son and I think Jim Webb's son have served there (probably many other politicians' kids, too), don't know if they required special considerations since their dads were "only" senators.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 04:15 PM
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2. Good question - I'm not sure what they'd do. nt
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 04:20 PM
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9. I think that he is not really in the field, as a legal officer he is almost certainly in the
green zone with the rest of the legal officers
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TTUBatfan2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 04:21 PM
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11. Ah, thanks for clearing that up...
So he should be relatively safe. :)
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 04:23 PM
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16. When there was some semblence of FRONT lines it was termed, "In the rear, with the gear." eom
Edited on Sun Oct-12-08 04:25 PM by ShortnFiery
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vanderBeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 04:52 PM
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23. Did they or did they not do it to Prince Harry?
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gemlake Donating Member (535 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 04:55 PM
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24. Wasn't Prince Harry immediately pulled out
of Afghanistan, after there was a report of his general location? Maybe the same standard would apply to Biden's son.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 05:02 PM
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26. Harry's location was reveale and he was sent home
However Harry was located on the frontline. Beau is part of the JAG Corps which is a bit back from the action. So I doubt they would bring him home until his tour is done.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 05:41 PM
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27. I think the Secret Service said once Biden or Palin become VP they will send their people
Edited on Sun Oct-12-08 05:41 PM by Jennicut
out to Beau or Track (hopefully Beau!)to protect them. If there seems to be a real danger then they can send them back home. I don't think Beau is in Iraq yet as well, I think he went to Texas first to receive additional training and they will ship out soon. I would hate to see Beau or even Track in any danger so hopefully they will receive plenty of protection.
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