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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 09:50 PM
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Is there any truth behind the ACORN stories?
Registering dead people and all that. Or was that just RW noise? Are there any links to what's really going on?

Thanks
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 09:51 PM
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1. Why would anybody register dead people?
They never end up actually voting.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 09:52 PM
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2. stop making sense.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 09:52 PM
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3. D'oh. Sorry.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 09:53 PM
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6. to embrass the registrars and cause them to be called "frauds"
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 09:54 PM
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8. It's all part of the plan. The night before the election, Obama will reanimate the dead....
...for 24 hours so they can vote.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 09:52 PM
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4. OMG
Is this the best way to ask for info - can't you just search?

Annoying!!!
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daninthemoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 09:53 PM
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7. very hepful
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daninthemoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 09:53 PM
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5. i have no idea, but it sounds like rethug smear dishonesty to me.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 09:55 PM
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9. Yes. But they likely got swindled by some of their employees.
Who faked registrations instead of going out to register folks.

There is no grand scheme by ACORN to fraudulently register people.
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Onlooker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 09:55 PM
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10. Yes, but not dead people
ACORN pays people to register new votes. ACORN pays low wages and offers these jobs to inner city people, often giving people who no one else would hire a chance to earn a few bucks. But, some of them choose to rip off ACORN by turning in fake voter registrations. ACORN pays per registration (or something like that) and elections officials quickly recognize fraudulent registrations because they use the same ink, have the same handwriting and signatures, or have obviously made up names. ACORN has registered hundreds of thousands of people out of which are small number are invalid.
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Realityhack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 09:58 PM
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16. ACORN does not pay per registration
According to this:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=4225774&mesg_id=4225774

It also says the reason it is so easy to catch the bad registrations is that they point them out to election officials.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 09:59 PM
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17. They pay by the hour now. nt
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 10:00 PM
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18. Well now that's just a bunch of lies..

ACORN Voter Registration Performance Verification Procedures

I. Hiring Voter Registration Canvassers

1. Voter Registration Workers (Canvassers) are generally hired from the community where ACORN is conducting the drive.

2. Canvassers are hired to work set hour shifts and are paid based on the number of shifts they work, not on the number of applications they collect

http://www.acorn.org/index.php?id=12439&tx_ttnews=22371&tx_ttnews=12386&cHash=1f09ce5ca0
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 09:56 PM
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11. Consider the source.
Are these allegations coming from prosecutors' offices, law enforcement agencies & elections officials? Or are the comping from political hacks?
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 09:57 PM
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12. actually "dead" people have been known to vote
in southern West Virginia, the political machines have been known to stuff the ballot boxes


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daninthemoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 10:10 PM
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21. don't dead people usually vote repug?
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 11:20 PM
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24. "OMG the dead have risen and they're voting Republican!!!!!"
Classic Simpsons ;-)
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 12:03 AM
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31. you're thinking the living dead
not the dead dead
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 09:57 PM
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13. Wow. I guess all the Republicans, living and dead, have unique names.
There aren't multiples of "David Smith" out there in GOPworld among the living and the dead to get registered to vote.
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liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 09:58 PM
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14. DUPE. N/T
Edited on Sun Oct-12-08 09:59 PM by liberalmuse
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liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 09:58 PM
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My sister worked for them in Vegas a few years ago...
Basically, this is the gist of the story:

A few employees made up voter registrations because they were too lazy to register real people. By law, ACORN must turn all registrations collected in to the registrars office, even if they know some are fraudulent. The registrar's office then checks all the registrations against information on real people (driver's license, ID's, addresses), and any fake registrations, or incomplete and error-ridden registrations are thrown out. All that is left are REAL registrations linked to REAL people.

Obama represented ACORN ONCE while he was an attorney, but he does not work for them.
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jsmirman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 11:49 PM
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29. Indeed, and seriously, yes, you should use the freaking search feature
I explained this all last night, pretty much just as muse describes it here.

This is so easy to explain as why it is a non-story, so just use search, ponder the crystal clear logic for like, the half second it takes to recognize that it is a slam dunk case on this being a non-starter, try to commit to memory and repeat if absolutely fucking necessary. Come on people!!!!
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 09:58 PM
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15. There are isolated incidents of registering Harry Potter etc.
As if Harry Potter would actually show up and try to vote. It's mostly bull shit though as with any huge operation there will be isolated incidents.

Actually, there is a lot more evidence Republicans are trying to get real voters off the rolls.

Links: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YinIF6L4Y9Y


http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/10/acorn_rallies_its_troops.php


To: Interested Parties
From: Bertha Lewis and Steve Kest
Date: October 9, 2008
Re: The Truth About ACORN's Voter Registration Drive

Election Day is less than a month away, and our efforts to make sure that low-income and minority voters have a voice and vote on November 4th are in full swing. Unfortunately, just as we've seen in previous election cycles, the more success we have in empowering these voters, the more attacks we have to fend off from partisan forces making unfounded accusations to disparage our work and help maintain the status quo of an unbalanced electorate. We want to take this opportunity to separate the facts of our successes from the falsehoods of our attackers.

On Monday, October 6, as voter registration deadlines passed in most states, ACORN completed the largest, most successful nonpartisan voter registration drive in history. In partnership with the nonpartisan organization Project Vote, we helped register over 1.3 million low-income, minority, and young voters in a total of 21 states. Highlights of this success include:

We collected over 151,000 registrations in Florida, 153,000 in Pennsylvania, 215,000 in Michigan, and nearly 250,000 in Ohio.

An estimated 60-70 percent of our applicants are people of color.

At least HALF of all are registrations are from young people between 18-29.

We are proud of this unprecedented success, and grateful to everyone who supported us in this massive effort, from our funders and partners to the literally thousands of hardworking individuals across the country who dedicated themselves to the cause and conducted the difficult work of registering 1.3 million Americans, one voter at a time.

And this work is far from over: now begins our effort mobilize these new voters around local and national issues, getting them to the polls and helping to channel their commitment and conviction into an ongoing movement for change in our communities.

As The Nation pointed out recently, ACORN's success in registering millions of low-income and minority voters has made it "something of a right-wing bogeyman." Though ACORN believes that the right to vote is not, and should never be, a partisan issue, attacks from groups threatened by our historic success continue to come, motivated by partisan politics and often perpetuated by the media without full investigation of the facts. As a result, there have been a few recent stories about investigations of former ACORN workers for turning in incomplete, erroneous, or fraudulent voter registration applications. Predictably, partisan forces have tried to use these isolated incidents to incite fear of the "bogeyman" of "widespread voter fraud." But we want to take this opportunity to set the record straight and tell you a few facts to show how these incidents really exemplify everything that ACORN is doing right:

Fact: ACORN has implemented the most sophisticated quality-control system in the voter engagement field, but in almost every state we are required to turn in ALL completed applications, even the ones we know to be problematic.

Fact: ACORN flags incomplete, problem, or suspicious cards when we turn them in, but these warnings are often ignored by election officials. Often these same officials then come back weeks or months later and accuse us of deliberately turning in phony cards.

Fact: Our canvassers are paid by the hour, not by the card, so there is NO incentive for them to falsify cards. ACORN has a zero-tolerance policy for deliberately falsifying registrations, and in the relatively rare cases where our internal quality controls have identified this happening we have fired the workers involved and turned them in to election officials and law-enforcement.

Fact: No charges have ever been brought against ACORN itself. Convictions against individual former ACORN workers have been accomplished with our full cooperation, using the evidence obtained through our quality control and verification processes.

Fact: Voter fraud by individuals is extremely rare, and incredibly difficult. There has never been a single proven case of anyone, anywhere, casting an illegal vote as a result of a phony voter registration. Even if someone wanted to influence the election this way, it would not work.

Fact: Most election officials have recognized ACORN's good work and praised our quality control systems. Even in the cities where election officials have complained about ACORN, the applications in question represent less than 1% of the thousands and thousands of registrations ACORN has collected.

Fact: Our accusers not only fail to provide any evidence, they fail to suggest a motive: there is virtually no chance anyone would be able to vote fraudulently, so there is no reason to deliberately submit phony registrations. ACORN is committed to ensuring that the greatest possible numbers of people are registered and allowed to vote, so there is also NO incentive to "disrupt the system" with phony cards.

Fact: Similar accusations were made, and attacks launched, against ACORN and other voter registration organizations in 2004 and 2006. These attacks were not only groundless, they have since been exposed as part of the U.S. Attorney-gate scandal and revealed to be part of a systematic partisan agenda of voter suppression.

These are the facts, and the truth is that a relatively small group of political operatives are trying to orchestrate hysteria about "voter fraud" and manufacture public outrage that they can use to further suppress the votes of millions of low-income and minority Americans.

These tactics are nothing new, and history has shown that they will come to nothing. We'll continue to weather the storm, as we've done for years, and we'll continue to share the truth about our work and express pride about our accomplishments.
Most importantly, we want to assure you that this good work continues, unabated and undeterred. ACORN will not be intimidated, we will not be provoked, and in this important moment in history we will not allow anyone to distract us from these vital efforts to empower our constituencies and our communities to speak for themselves. If the partisan political machines are afraid of low-income and minority voters, they're going to have to do a lot better than coming after ACORN.

After all, there are now at least 1.3 million more of them, and they will not be silenced. They're taking an interest, and taking a stand, and they'll be taking their concerns to the voting booth in November.

And ACORN will be here, to make sure that the voices of these Americans are heard, on Election Day and for every day to come.
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 10:00 PM
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19. No..
It's bullshit, as usual. :crazy:
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 10:03 PM
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20. If you were a racist Republican and wanted to discredit ACORN...
.... wouldn't YOU walk up to an ACORN volunteer and register to vote as Bigus Dickus?

When I was volunteering for MassEquality, I noticed that we came across HUNDREDS of people giving bogus and "joke" information when they signed our non-legally-binding petition that our unpaid volunteers were collecting.

They did it just to fuck with us.

So, two things happened with ACORN:

1) People (mostly racist Republicans) fucked with them.
2) People being paid to collect registrations padded their work to make more money, knowing those pretend people could never show up to vote anyway.

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Tutonic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 10:17 PM
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22. Its a bunch of nothing...even if some kid wrote down a name seven times
or wrote down the name of a dead person, you must show proof at the election polling place to vote. It would all come at then. This is Karl Rove gone amuck--gaming the system by sending plants into ACORN knowing full well that they would pull this out in October. Come January, I'm going to do my best to get someone--maybe Bugliosi to go after this stinking turd!
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MichaelHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 11:16 PM
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23. How many
dead people do you know that are going to show up and vote? How many Homer Simpsons in Reno do you think will show up? That about sums up this non-issue.
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debatemoderator Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 11:22 PM
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25. CBS News found strong evidence of fraudulent registration
"But CBS News has talked to nearly two dozen ACORN workers who all said they were pressured to increase their number of registration cards - to the point of copying names out of phone books, signing up inmates, and registering the dead."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/10/10/cbsnews_investigates/main4514429.shtml?source=RSSattr=HOME_4514429
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 11:23 PM
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26. All filled out in the same handwriting style... Freeper!
:rofl:
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 11:24 PM
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27. LOL your link doesn't say shit about "strong evidence". Go away.
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debatemoderator Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 11:43 PM
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28. Duh, it doesn't have to say "strong evidence"
So if John Smith is found and video taped naked on the street, would you not call the video "strong evidence" until a news outlet typed the phrase in their website?

What a lack of critical thinking.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 01:31 AM
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32. buh bye, idiot
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Cosmic Charlie Donating Member (684 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 11:58 PM
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30. hello, debatefreeper!
enjoy your short stay here

the pizza is great!
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