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pamela Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 10:33 PM
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Study finds: Polls may UNDERESTIMATE Obama's support by 3 to 4 percent
http://www.physorg.com/news142862643.html

A flood of polls on the presidential race dominate media attention. But those polls have proven to be inaccurate barometers in the past, and a study by University of Washington researchers this week may cast further doubt on polling power in media and campaign strategies.

"The Clinton-Obama raced dragged on so long, but it generated a lot of data. It is the only existing basis on which to predict how a black candidate will do in a national general election," said Greenwald, who pioneered studies how people's unconscious bias affects their behavior.

"The level of inaccuracy of the polls in the primaries was unprecedented."

Prior to the start of the primary season, the UW researchers thought the so-called Bradley effect would play a key role in the 2008 election. Previously, this effect showed exaggerated pre-election poll support for black candidates in some prominent elections in the 1980s and 1990s.

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However, they found a reverse Bradley effect in 12 primary states. In these states they found actual support for Obama exceeded pre-election polls by totals of 7 percent or more, well beyond the polls' margins of error. These errors ranged up to 18 percent in Georgia.

"The Bradley effect has mutated. We are seeing it in several states, but the reverse effect is much stronger," said Greenwald. "We didn't have a chance to look at these effects before on a national level.
The prolonged Democratic primary process this year gave us a chance to look for this effect in 32 primaries in which the same two candidates faced each other."


So, I wonder if the media will stop pushing a theory based on 25 year old data, now that there is more recent (and more relevant) data to consider?

Nah, probably not. :banghead:



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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 10:42 PM
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1. Kick for...
"reverse Bradley effect!"
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Blondiegrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 10:44 PM
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2. Good to know. K&R
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 10:46 PM
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3. We've talked a bit about the Yeldarb Effect,
but I had no idea that it could be this strong, or play out in this way in those southern and chronically Republican western states.
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pamela Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 10:52 PM
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6. Lol at the Yeldarb Effect...
I almost googled that.:P
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RichGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 10:53 PM
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7. I think we have a new breed here in the south....
...social racist. They aren't really racist, but they have to act like they are, you know, laugh at the jokes and stuff, to fit in with all their redneck buddies.
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dgibby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 10:48 PM
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4. Now you've upset all the concern trolls. Hope you're happy!
:evilgrin: :rofl:
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RichGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 10:55 PM
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9. I'm deeply concerned about the concern trolls.
What will they be concerned about after the election??? Oh...I know...re-election.
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RichGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 10:49 PM
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5. Everybody thought that Hillary staying in until the end would be the demise of us all!!!
It turns out that it was the best thing that could have happened. Besides this nifty polling info, it was really good to get Ayers and Wright over with so that at least for dems it was old news.
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PatGund Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 10:55 PM
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8. LAUGH!!!!!
The funny thing right now is that over in Freeperville and PUMAland, they're pinning some of their last hopes on the exact opposite - that the polls are OVERESTIMATING Obama's support.

You know, I'm going to get an immense amount of pleasure and glee at visiting the PUMA blogs and other right-wing cranks the day after Sen. Obama becomes President-Elect Obama.
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pamela Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 11:13 PM
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12. The media, too.
Sadly, it's not just Freepers and Pumas. The media has been pushing the Bradley Effect meme pretty heavily lately. Even some of the good guys, like Rachel Maddow. It drives me crazy. I wish that a course on Research Methodology was a requirement for journalists.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 10:57 PM
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10. Those folks are gonna get into that voting booth and say.....
"fuck it! I want some Change!".....

I bet on it!
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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 11:02 PM
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11. I was wondering about this too
I'm not really surprised that the reverse is happening
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pamela Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 11:59 PM
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13. I suspected that the reverse would make more sense...
especially in states like Va and North Carolina. I really can't see voters in those states feeling any pressure to tell a pollster they are voting for Obama when they are in fact voting for McCain. That makes absolutely no sense. I could, however, see folks in those states saying they are voting for McCain, and then going into the privacy of the voting booth and voting for Obama.

I think the key is that, with the Bradley Effect, people are applying a phenomenon that occurred in a liberal state to states where there certainly wouldn't be any societal pressure to say you were voting for a black if you weren't.

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