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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 11:46 PM
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Republican Mutiny Day One - The day the Sharks first caught the scent of blood
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"It’s time for John McCain to fire his campaign."

William Kristol




It started with murmurs and clearing of throats.

As the polls have begun to establish that the Republican Party is heading for a historic defeat with massive losses of Congressional and Senate seats the temperature has gone up - way up.

We are beyond the Chafee and the Hagels (well atleast Mrs. Hagel has made it official).
Chafee http://www.mlive.com/grpress/news/index.ssf/2008/10/former_republican_senator_crit.html
Mrs. Hagel http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/10/07/mrs_hagel_to_endorse_obama.html

Today Columnist William Kristol took off the muffler and let it blow; "It’s time for John McCain to fire his campaign."

So we begin an ongoing series on the Republican Mutiny.

Today was the day that sharks in the water first sensed that there was blood in the water and they have started circling. From now until the election we will watch the water and watch as the sharks come closer and closer and as they take bites out of the dying corpse of the Bush/Cheney/Rove/McCain/Palin political machine.

Please add any sightings of the Republican Mutiny you see to the thread, here is what we have so far;




I) Republican Newspapers endorsing Obama

a) The Stockton Record

http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080928/A_NEWS0801/809280302

For the first time in 72 years, The Record is endorsing a Democrat for president.

Franklin D. Roosevelt got our nod in 1936.


The reasons for the endorsement of Barack Obama over John McCain are articulated in the editorial on this page.

The unanimous decision was made by our editorial board, which consists of Publisher Roger W. Coover, Managing Editor Donald W. Blount, Opinion Page Editor Eric Grunder, Human Resources Director Sandi Johnson and me.

b) The Canton Repository


http://www.cantonrep.com/index.php?Category=3&ID=433429&r=7&subCategoryID=37


The United States is moving in the wrong direction. That is what the polls say. What do you think? We think that the United States is moving in many wrong directions.

On Main Street, families are watching their homes and retirement savings lose value while the cost of their most basic needs goes up and up. On Wall Street, a hands-off approach to oversight of financial institutions has led to the biggest economic crisis since the Great Depression. Halfway around the world, the United States remains mired in a country it should never have invaded.

Stark Countians rightly want change in Washington. The Repository editorial board believes that the presidential candidate who can deliver on this demand is Democrat Barack Obama.

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The events of the last two weeks have provided another telling contrast between the two candidates. Obama has stressed the need for a bipartisan agreement on a financial bailout and reform package that includes strong accountability measures. McCain has indulged his penchant for drama. He declared that if he were president, he would fire the head of the Securities and Exchange Commission — action that a president doesn't have the authority to take. Then he abruptly refused to debate Obama on Friday — at a time when Americans need to hear directly from both men about their reaction to the financial crisis — but, fortunately, McCain changed his mind again.

We believe that Obama's intellect, caution, levelheadedness and calm demeanor make him better suited to lead a nation that must respond to many unwelcome changes with yet more change. The Repository endorses Sen. Barack Obama for president.





II) The Columnists


William Kristol
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/13/opinion/13kristol.html

It’s time for John McCain to fire his campaign.

He has nothing to lose. His campaign is totally overmatched by Obama’s. The Obama team is well organized, flush with resources, and the candidate and the campaign are in sync. The McCain campaign, once merely problematic, is now close to being out-and-out dysfunctional. Its combination of strategic incoherence and operational incompetence has become toxic. If the race continues over the next three weeks to be a conventional one, McCain is doomed.



Christopher Buckley

A Buckley For Obama


http://embeds.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/10/12/a-buckley-for-obama/

But having a first-class temperament and a first-class intellect, President Obama will (I pray, secularly) surely understand that traditional left-politics aren’t going to get us out of this pit we’ve dug for ourselves. If he raises taxes and throws up tariff walls and opens the coffers of the DNC to bribe-money from the special interest groups against whom he has (somewhat disingenuously) railed during the campaign trail, then he will almost certainly reap a whirlwind that will make Katrina look like a balmy summer zephyr

So, I wish him all the best. We are all in this together. Necessity is the mother of bipartisanship. And so, for the first time in my life, I’ll be pulling the Democratic lever in November. As the saying goes, God save the United States of America.

Obama has in him—I think, despite his sometimes airy-fairy “We are the people we have been waiting for” silly rhetoric—the potential to be a good, perhaps even great leader. He is, it seems clear enough, what the historical moment seems to be calling for.




Wick Allison, Editor in Chief of D Magazine in Dallas-Fort Worth

Another Conservative comes out for Obama


http://www.capitolhillblue.com/cont/node/11549

Barack Obama is not my ideal candidate for president. (In fact, I made the maximum donation to John McCain during the primaries, when there was still hope he might come to his senses.) But I now see that Obama is almost the ideal candidate for this moment in American history. I disagree with him on many issues. But those don’t matter as much as what Obama offers, which is a deeply conservative view of the world. Nobody can read Obama’s books (which, it is worth noting, he wrote himself) or listen to him speak without realizing that this is a thoughtful, pragmatic, and prudent man. It gives me comfort just to think that after eight years of George W. Bush we will have a president who has actually read the Federalist Papers.

Most important, Obama will be a realist. I doubt he will taunt Russia, as McCain has, at the very moment when our national interest requires it as an ally. The crucial distinction in my mind is that, unlike John McCain, I am convinced he will not impulsively take us into another war unless American national interests are directly threatened.




George Will

McCain loses his head

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/22/AR2008092202583.html

It is arguable that, because of his inexperience, Obama is not ready for the presidency. It is arguable that McCain, because of his boiling moralism and bottomless reservoir of certitudes, is not suited to the presidency. Unreadiness can be corrected, although perhaps at great cost, by experience. Can a dismaying temperament be fixed?




David Brooks

Palin represents a fatal cancer to the Republican Party

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/08/david-brooks-sarah-palin_n_133001.html

represents a fatal cancer to the Republican party.
When I first started in journalism, I worked at the National Review for Bill Buckley. And Buckley famously said he'd rather be ruled by the first 2,000 names in the Boston phone book than by the Harvard faculty. But he didn't think those were the only two options. He thought it was important to have people on the conservative side who celebrated ideas, who celebrated learning. And his whole life was based on that, and that was also true for a lot of the other conservatives in the Reagan era. Reagan had an immense faith in the power of ideas. But there has been a counter, more populist tradition, which is not only to scorn liberal ideas but to scorn ideas entirely. And I'm afraid that Sarah Palin has those prejudices. I think President Bush has those prejudices.






III. Pundits and News Articles

a)Open mutiny in McCain's Republican party


http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10537215

Stephen Foley

Senior members of the Republican party are in open mutiny against John McCain's presidential campaign, after a disastrous period which has seen Barack Obama solidify his lead in the opinion polls.

From inside and outside his inner circle, Mr McCain is being told to settle on a coherent economic message and to tone down attacks on his rival which have sometimes whipped up a mob-like atmosphere at Republican rallies.

Two former rivals for the party nomination, Mitt Romney and Tommy Thompson, went on the record over the weekend about the disarray in the Republican camp.

And a string of other senior party figures said Mr McCain's erratic performance risks taking the party down to heavy losses not just in the presidential race but also in contests for Congressional seats.

Mr Thompson, a former governor of the swing state of Wisconsin, said he thought Mr McCain, on his present trajectory, would lose the state, and he told a New York Times reporter he was unhappy with the campaign.

"I don't know who is," he added.

b) "I don't know, I don't know"

Karl Rove


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/05/rove-criticizes-mccains-h_n_131994.html

Appearing on Fox News Sunday, Karl Rove criticized the McCain campaign for its handling of several strategic operations of the campaign.

Asked about the candidate's decision to shut down its Michigan operations, Rove, who serves informally as an adviser to McCain, seemed perplexed that the campaign did it with such apparent flair.

"I don't know, I don't know," said Rove. "And not only that, but it set off a spat of warfare inside the Michigan Republican Party with the former national committee man sending a letter to Sarah Palin saying 'please contest the state,' and leaking that to the members of the state central committee which guaranteed it would be in the hands of the press."






IV Republican Candidates Nebraska Congressman appealing for Obama support















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orestes Donating Member (543 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 11:49 PM
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1. Holy Fuck!
Kristol might actually be right about something!
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 11:11 AM
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23. well like that broken clock
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 11:50 PM
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2. Pssst... It's "Kristol" not "Chrystal" -- lovely post, though. (nt)
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 11:54 PM
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4. lol well atleast I got it right once lol changed the other two
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endthewar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 11:54 PM
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3. John McCain trying to run a campaign


:rofl:
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 12:01 AM
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6. Fail #2
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 12:18 AM
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9. Awesome photo! Thanks! nt
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endthewar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 12:21 AM
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10. I actually think that little bird has a chance there
Why do you hate birds? :rofl:
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 11:56 PM
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5.  Big K&R! Yeeeeehaaaa!
:woohoo: :applause: :applause: :applause: :woohoo:
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 01:05 AM
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11. lol
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 12:04 AM
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7. Hey, that's My Fucking Paper endorsing Obama for the first time since FDR!!!
I don't get it, it's a tosser.

What a surprise to read it here!

http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080928/A_NEWS0801/809280302

WOOT!
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 10:43 AM
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18. a fornicating paper?
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 10:45 AM
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19. We're a kinky town!
And some folks have just gone a little loopy, what with all the foreclosures...

:donut:
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 12:04 AM
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8. The rush is on. To get away from the sinking vessel McCain-Palin.
Watch for Republican candidates for congress to start running away from McCain.

It looks as if Palin has already set her own course, the one that works best for her post election.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 02:28 AM
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12. OK, so what I'm getting from this is that the White Hat Cabal (the one saving the
country) sitting around the table that Nancy Pelosi said impeachment was taken off of, didn't say, "You don't nuke Iran, and you go peacefully when the time comes, and we won't impeach you--and get rid of Rumsfeld"--my first guess at what occurred around this fabled "table." No, they said this: "You don't nuke Iran, you get rid of Rumsfeld, and go peacefully when the time comes" AND, "lose the 2008 election, and we won't impeach you."

It explains almost everything that has happened (and several things that have not happened) since the '06 elections. It explains why Rumsfeld resigned, with no change of policy in Iraq. There is no other logical explanation, except that someone forced him to resign. He didn't resign because the Democrats took over Congress with a big stop-the-war mandate. What the fuck does he care what the American people think? What the fuck do Bush/Cheney care? (And, for that matter, what the fuck does our Democratic Congress care? They have a worse approval rating than Bush! They ESCALATED the war, and spent billions and billions more of our non-existent tax dollars to get the oil contracts signed. But I digress...)

It explains what happened to the nuke Iran scheme (why it didn't happen). It explains a whole lot of insider whistleblowing, and Bush/Cheney becoming toxic. It explains the boldness of the whistleblowers (Bush/Cheney, and McBush II won't be able to punish them). It explains the Corpo/fascist 'news' monopolies recently seeming to do their job, sometimes. It explains McDrone and Ms. To Nowhere (frankly I think of her as the Tanya Harding of politics), and their dismal, failing, absurd campaign--not the fact of it, cuz Bush/Cheney were just as dismal, failing and absurd, but the Corpo/fascist media portrayal of it, as opposed to their portrayal of Bush/Cheney. They basically provided cover for Stolen Election II (--the first full-on Diebold election--'04). Remember all the shit they did to cover for Bush's idiocy, and for the Bush Junta's horrendous crimes? They're not doing that for McBush and Tanya. And this theory--that the White Hat Cabal bargained for not nuking Iran, getting rid of Rumsfeld, and no Bush or McBush coup d'etat in '08--explains Obama's 10 point lead in Corpo/fascist media polls. (Do you think if it wasn't already agreed upon, by the Corpo/fascists who are running things, they would let that happen? It would be very "close," as in 04, so it could be stolen.)

Don't you get the feeling, looking at Mr. Cancer Face and Ms. Harding, that--as with "The Picture of Dorian Gray"--we're looking at the REAL Republican Party--ugly, diseased, crudely manipulative, mean as sin, and boning for power? How come the Corpo/fascist media is letting this awfulness show? Why aren't they covering for them, in cahoots with slick-as-spit image managers and Rove and his "talking points' memos--the way they did for Bush/Cheney, who are equally ugly, diseased, crude and mean as sin, but were treated with kid gloves at every turn, even when they were slaughtering a hundred thousand innocent people, torturing prisoners, 'losing' billions of dollars in Iraq, and spying on everybody, and even when Bush couldn't put two coherent sentences together, and Cheney would just grunt and fart and go shoot somebody?

John Kerry was an intelligent, well-spoken candidate, imminently qualified to be president--and a thousand times better than Bush in every way. Why did they cover for Bush, and rip Kerry to shreds? And why are they NOT covering for McBush and the Moose-killer, and showing some fairness (relatively) to Obama?

There are literally hundreds of Republican office-holders in this country who would have been a hundred times better than McCain and Palin. The Pukes always manipulate things--candidates, images--with the full cooperation of the Corpo/fascist media, and could have had many slicker, more successful candidates. Really, it's as if someone deliberately sabotaged the Republican presidential campaign. My White Hat Cabal theory is now amended to say that they did. The Bushwhacks were told they must lose or go to jail.

I'm thinking there were/are so many impeachable offenses, and just plain crimes, of such a heinous nature, that the White Hat Cabal would have been in a strong bargaining position. They knew that getting these jerkwads out of the White House would be difficult. They've probably got insider military/Secret Service watching the red button. Bush/Cheney maybe threatened certain things. They held firm and said we can and will impeach you if you don't go quietly. They bargained to prevent a nuclear holocaust; they bargained to get the worst of these malefactors out (Rumsfeld); they bargained to prevent martial law and an overt coup (no election). And, last but not least, they bargained to STOP the Bushwhack theft of this election.

It's hard to explain why Bush and Cheney were not driven out of the White House in disgrace. Their crimes are much worse than Nixon's. It's hard to explain how Rumsfeld, Rove and others are running around free. This is one possible explanation--that things were so bad, and so perilous, and we were so teetering on the brink of several catastrophes, that immunity from impeachment and prosecution for crimes had to be bargained away--to get them to leave, and to prevent more of the same with McCain & Co.

The White Hat Cabal is a fantasy. Call it White Hat tinfoil--a conspiracy to do good. I have no idea if any of this happened, though it explains quite a few things. Remember the British sailors capture by the Iranians? Right after Rumsfeld resigned, and possibly a set up--a "Gulf of Tonkin" incident--by Rumsfeld, to trigger the attack on Iran. Nancy Pelosi traveled to the Middle East right in the middle of that crisis, and I've always wondered if she was taking the word of this White Hat Cabal, to Middle Eastern leaders, that there would be no attack on Iran. Remember how strange that all was? The Iranians so happily giving the sailors back.

It might explain this Final Looting that is taking place. If the Bushwhacks can't have Iran and a perpetual bottomless well of U.S. taxpayer money to enrich themselves and their pals with, then they are going to take it all NOW. The White Hat Cabal can't stop a stock market crash (if they wanted to). And maybe were surprised by it, and couldn't see anything to do but go along with the bailout, to try to stop the panic (that a Black Hat Cabal had induced?). Think of it as a sort of VERY, VERY, VERY expensive temper tantrum, by the really rich fuckheads behind Bush/Cheney, cuz they didn't get to steal Iran's oil and run the U.S. and hijack our military for corporate resource wars, and use our children as cannon fodder, for another decade. So they looted the place.

It explains all these Republicans jumping ship on the Republican candidate. They know what's in the wind. This candidacy was designed to fail. It's not that McCain has failed them. It's that McCain was picked because they knew he would fail.

Anyway, it's a fantasy--and it places our political establishment perhaps in a better light than is truly the case. One could certainly spin some darker fantasies--given the continuation of the Iraq War and other things. (There is certainly overwhelming evidence that our Dem leaders wanted this war, wanted 'TRADE SECRET' vote counting run by Bushwhack corporations with virtually no audit/recount controls, wanted Bush/Cheney to stay in office in '04, and are okay with torture, spying, massive secrecy, massive theft, tossing out the Constitution and international law, credit card usury, gas gouging, deregulation, neo-liberalism and all the rest. But I suppose all that could be true--they are rotten to the core--but still balked at nuking Iran and martial law.) I dunno. The White Hat Cabal fantasy probably doesn't take Democratic Party corruption enough into account.

But remember how shocked we all were when Pelosi took impeachment "off the table" two days after the election? Like, Nancy, WHAT table? Huh? And who was sitting at it? WHAT TABLE? And then Rumsfeld resigned.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 08:13 AM
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16. You Are Giving Nancy Too Much Credit
She only took nuking Iran off the table two weeks ago, when she quietly shelved the "further sanctions" greenlight bill due to a revolt from her own side. The armed forces had already stopped any stealth, Bay of Tonkin plans to entrap us further in the neocon madness by a more-or-less open mutiny.

And BushCo had no luck getting anybody credible to run for President. Not that there's any sign that they tried, either. W had no interest in building the party. He liked to play Santa, not Howard Dean, passing out favors and rewarding the incompetent lackeys around him. He doesn't like competition, and anyone who came after him in his eyes IS competition for that "legacy" thing.

All the credibility of the GOP died early on with all the sex scandals (esp. the gay sex). (The GOP doesn't care much about the lobbying, subversion of the Constitution, Lying us into war issues, but get a little out of hetero, and they go ape.)

And the nation as a whole backed quickly away from the Fundie choices that weren't deviant, so there was nothing left to select but a broken-down warhorse who, in the best senile Reagan, grumpy Bob Dole tradition, is making a complete cake of it.

And as for the going peacefully idea, I'll believe it when I see it. And where they OUGHT to be going is straight to the Hague, or a treason trial at home, but I'm not holding my breath. It will be up to the larger world to put Bush, Cheney and Co. into the dock.

And the reason the MSM isn't covering for Palin and McCain is: they no longer can. The media monopoly has been broken by the Internet, and efforts to lock it up have been resisted (and proven futile). We can't go back to those days. Print media is dying rapidly. Broadcast is going at an accelerating rate. MSM don't have the ability to combat the Bloggers. We have won, and with the able assistance of the Geeks among us, who are anti-Establishment as a facet of their innate personality, we will remain the champs.

Why do you think they push to outsource everything to India? Because they are trying to marginalize and wipe out the Geeks. Well, the Geeks aren't going to be wiped out. Only the complete collapse of technology could do that, and Corporate needs technology. Government needs technology. The Asians are just as geeky, by the way. So outsourcing is doomed to fail as a crowd-control device.

Poppy forced Rumsfeld out. He hasn't intervened since. I think he may be too ill. If he doesn't die before Shrubya flees into exile, he may be buried without his eldest child in attendance. Unless Poppy is already ensconced in his Paraguayan paradise...he's been awfully quiet. No more palling around with Big Dog Bill or anything.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 11:10 AM
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22. Yeah, I kind of agree about my theory giving our Dems too credit, but I also think
that you may be underestimating the dangerousness of the Bush Cartel and the Corpo/fascists behind Bush/Cheney. I think we see its EFFECTS in what seems bizarro behavior by our Dems--for instance, taking "impeachment off the table." Are they nuts? That violates the Constitution, for one thing. It is FUNDAMENTAL that impeachment remain ON THE TABLE all the time. That's the whole premise of the Constitution. And where in our history can you find a list of high crimes and misdemeanors like this one? It is mind-boggling. Take "off the table" are only tool for curtailing this massively out-of-control executive?

Does that astonishing statement imply that curtailment of this massively out-of-control executive was accomplished by other means? I think it points that way.

Anyway, I'm just trying to read the entrails, and think backwards from the effects we see to what the cause might be, in events we are not privy to. I'm not saying that any such White Hat Cabal necessarily shares our views of democracy. They can be elitists, and even Corpo/fascists, and still be very fearful of where the Bushwhacks were taking us to. Their intention may be to right the Corpo/fascist ship of state, not return it to its rightful owners--the people. Also, when you hear of something like the military revolt against nuking Iran, you've got to figure that there was a delivery mechanism for that message, from the brass to the Bushwhacks, and that they had to have political and corporate support. Thus, the White Hat Cabal. If such a group exists, it might include quite a wide range of political opinion and levels of corruption, from relatively clean "good guys" to more corrupt and even rightwing insiders, who have their own reasons for wanting to curtail the Bush Junta. I'm not saying that this is a nice group, just a better group than those in charge, with more regard for the country's stability and welfare than Bush/Cheney have (none).

How do you explain not only NOT impeaching Bush/Cheney, but TAKING IMPEACHMENT "OFF THE TABLE"? I'm just trying to explain it--not excuse it. And my theory is just a theory. It explains certain things.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 12:26 PM
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26. My Theory Is Pelosi Is a Traitor
What are the cryptofascists going to do, kill her grandchildren? What was HER problem?

Nancy didn't want to do her job. She never has wanted to do her job. She's dropped so many balls, it's no longer funny or tolerable.

If she is returned to Congress, which I devoutly hope NOT, she had better NOT be left in the Speaker's Chair.

Our War Against Incompetents will not be won by cleaning out BushCo alone. We ALSO have to clean out the DINOS, the lame, and those who betray the country by their don't-give-a-damn attitudes.
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 02:38 AM
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13. Wait a second. Isn't Kristol the one who forced Palin on McCain?
I read (somewhere, will have to find the link) that Kristol and Rove are at odds with each other. Rove wanted Romney for VP and Kristol won out.

Perhaps this is the real meaning of the 'disarray' in the campaign he's referring to. Those loyal to Rove vs. those loyal to him?

Fantastic OP, btw. Great work.
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MtUpWithWngsAsEgles Donating Member (86 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 03:03 AM
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14. I'm confused
I thought that conservatives believed Obama was too soft, too naive, and too liberal to be President during these times.

If McCain can't run a campaign, how can he run the country?

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PerfectSage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 03:31 AM
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15. It’s time for John McCain to fire up his Kristol Meth
You know the Wepublicans(sic) are toast when they're bullshittin' about Obama Supporter's support.
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nxylas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 09:22 AM
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17. Unless McCain pulls off some game-changer at Wednesday's debate...
...I expect the trickle to become a flood afterwards.
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 11:20 AM
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24. The odds of that are SLIM and NONE
And Slim just left town.

Bake
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nxylas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 11:37 AM
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25. I'm a great believer in Adams's Law
"Nothing is impossible, only very highly improbable". But I think the probability of McCain pulling a rabbit out of his hat on Wednesday is about the same as that of a pair of cruise missiles suddenly turning into a sperm whale and a bowl of petunias. Or at least of McCain pulling an actual, literal rabbit out of his hat.
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 01:08 PM
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29. It could happen.
And monkeys could fly out of my butt!!!

:rofl:

Bake
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 10:46 AM
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20. Our republican congressmen in my district
was busy the day of the McCain rally in Bethlehem last week. The silent mutiny has been going on for about a week. Looks like the active one is begun.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 12:32 PM
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27. lol Crist had to go to Disneyworld - no one had even told him that they had one in Florida lol
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Essene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 10:48 AM
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21. Please see the DU Research Forum, esp this list of GOP criticism of Mccain
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OmahaBlueDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 12:40 PM
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28. The Brooks quote captures the essence of the problem with the past 8 years
"[Buckley] thought it was important to have people on the
conservative side who celebrated ideas, who celebrated
learning. And his whole life was based on that, and that was
also true for a lot of the other conservatives in the Reagan
era. Reagan had an immense faith in the power of ideas. But
there has been a counter, more populist tradition, which is
not only to scorn liberal ideas but to scorn ideas entirely.
And I'm afraid that Sarah Palin has those prejudices. I think
President Bush has those prejudices."

It would seem that, in the name of embracing certain
fundamentalist concepts, such as creationism, the modern
conservative movement increasingly has abandoned and scorned
reason at every level. 
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 02:14 PM
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30. too bad he was busy cheerleading Bush most of the time
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RoadRage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 02:16 PM
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31. That last one was mine... i posted it yesterday..
Very glad to see it already included in your awsome post! K&R
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 02:36 PM
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32. thanks for that

I couldn't find your thread to give you credit and had to google for it

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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 06:25 PM
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33. Whenever Prime Ministers in the UK are in big trouble, they tend to
Edited on Mon Oct-13-08 06:26 PM by KCabotDullesMarxIII
have a big Cabinet clear-out, which the media will dub, The Night of the Long Knives! A reference, I believe, to Hitler's "liquidation" of his fellow-Nazi Brown Shirts. Sounds like your media are having a similar "soiree".
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genna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 12:15 PM
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34. K&R
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