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livedemocarticordie Donating Member (209 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 08:38 PM
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If you are not watching FRONTLINE
.. you need to be...all of us...

and I hope they rerun it. For all those who think this is a a scary rabid leftist. Barack is not close to it, and the long section on the Harvard Law Review makes that clear. And I say good.....He's going to need to reunite this torn divided country and the mess we find ourselves in...
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 08:40 PM
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1. can you sumarize it for those of us not near a television? /nt
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mucifer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 08:43 PM
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6. you can download it for free at
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/choice2008/
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 12:26 AM
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22. thanks /nt
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malik flavors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 08:41 PM
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2. Dang, did I miss the Obama part?
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charlie and algernon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 08:42 PM
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3. they're alternating
obama-McCain-Obama-McCain.... going through their lives. pretty fasinating
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elkston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 08:43 PM
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5. They are alternating segments between the two. There is more Barack to come ...
BTW, I had not seen that video of him speaking at Harvard. Good stuff.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 08:51 PM
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10. That interview with Barack after he was awarded Pres of the Harvard Law Review...
He was a freaking KID! I would love to see the whole thing.

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Ozma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 09:11 PM
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20. They do it chapter by chapter... some of each, back and forth. eom
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BuelahWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 08:42 PM
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4. PBS is going to rerun it several times
Plus it will be on ITunes and Youtube tomorrow (I have no TV, so I went to the website...) :hi:
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mucifer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 08:44 PM
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7. it's up now on pbs website
at http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/choice2008/
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BuelahWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 08:53 PM
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11. Thanks! I wanted to see it
The one they did 4 years ago on Kerry/Dubya was breathtaking (Kerry's was, anyway). Just one more reason I was flummoxed that Bush got a second term.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 08:46 PM
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8. Here in Wisconsin it will be rerun on Thursday night:
The Choice 2008 NEW Personal and political biographies of Sens. John McCain and Barack Obama.
31 WHLA Tue 10/14 8:00 PM
31.1 WHLADT Tue 10/14 8:00 PM

31 WHLA Thu 10/16 11:00 PM
31.1 WHLADT Thu 10/16 11:00 PM
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 08:50 PM
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9. This is such an excellent presentation.
Frontline does it right...every time! Very thoughtful and fair.

I wish I could slice out all of the McCrypt shit though.
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DrPresident Donating Member (348 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 08:59 PM
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12. same here
"I wish I could slice out all of the McCrypt shit though."

Same here.
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 09:01 PM
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15. it reminds me of those Ken Burns documentaries
like on baseball and the civil war.
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 08:59 PM
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13. going into this I thought I knew everything about Obama
now I realize I didn't know half as much as I thought I did.
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livedemocarticordie Donating Member (209 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 08:59 PM
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14. its going to be controversial
..among our group because frankly it makes him sound like a pure operative, ruthless in chicago politics, " a velvet glove over a steel fist." There is no halo here, but I think that is good.

I can handle it, because I know he is doing well because he is that smart. I see him as an efficient multicultural person who bows to neither the extreme left or the right.

The show covers his defeat by Bobby Rush including Bill Clinton doing ads for Bobby, something I did not know.

At one point he is described as a lone wolf.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 09:08 PM
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18. I don't think so. He's portrayed as a man of principled moderation and political skill.
Hell, he wouldn't be in this position were he not a savvy polico. We'll all be glad for that once he lands in the Oval and takes the reigns of the agenda.
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livedemocarticordie Donating Member (209 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 09:06 PM
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16. On McCain..
They are now covering the KEATING SCANDAL... I was getting my daughter ready for bed when they did McCain last, did they talk about the first wife at all? All I saw was Cindy stuff..
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 09:13 PM
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21. Yes, they did.
They talked about how she waited for him to return from Vietnam and was injured and disfigured, even showing video of her afterward. Then moved to a discussion of John meeting Cindy (the beauty queen beer heiress...)
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mucifer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 09:06 PM
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17. doing the keating 5 now!
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 09:10 PM
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19. k&r -- thanks for the direct video link
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Frank Booth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 12:50 AM
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23. Meh. It was ok.
They spent literally 20 minutes on Rev. Wright, which seemed like a bit of overkill.

They spent about 30 seconds total talking about McCain selling out his alleged principles.
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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 12:56 AM
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24. just finished it out on the West Coast
I can see they painted both in a favorable light. But they did show what a complete tool and political hack McCain has become to convince the Freepers out there to vote for him next month.

GOD LET THIS ELECTION BE OVER AND OBAMA BE #44
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nomaco-10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:01 AM
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25. I watched it earlier. PBS once again does a great job....
of presenting facts and info. Nothing heavy handed just straight forward journalism with some great interviews.
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AzNick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:01 AM
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26. I saw the real McCain tonight ... almost forgot about him!
This special edition of Frontline is of course a work in progress but I liked seeing the old real McCain, the one who was considering switching party and opposed the Bush administration in its conduct of the war.

I miss that McCain
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rufus dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:01 AM
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27. Just finished - I may be biased
Well I am biased, but I don't see how that get's anyone to vote for McCain. The contrast is very clear and striking side by side. McCain is presented as a pandering twit in my opinion.
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nomaco-10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:16 AM
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28. Well, he is a pandering twit. I thought they captured ...
him pretty well too. The Keating Five, the "maverick" turned bush* suck up, his turning on the religous right then his suck up to them, voted against the bush* tax cuts and then to keep them permanently and even his flip flop on torture. All accurate, all dealt with fairly I thought. All in all I thought it was pretty good episode.



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