Good Lord-Joe just said that tonight, McCain needs to bring up Lewis & what Jackson supposedly said

Hey, McCain - my cousin Punkin' says some pretty outrageous things too. She's black, Obama's black. Want me to send some of her quotes for you to use against Obama tonight?

Or maybe Obama should just start off the debate by denouncing everything any black person has ever said that any white person might find offensive.

And then YOU can denounce everything any white person has ever said that any black person might find offensive.

Your part will take much longer, of course, but it's worth a try, dontcha think?

slow, old and insincere.

..and he'll shoe-horn the talking points in in a hackneyed fashion. He's desperate, it's late in the fight and he must score a knockout to win.

McCain's problem is that to do that, instead of flailing around wildly, he's GOT to have a solid knockout punch, to have what fight fans call “a puncher's chance”.

But he doesn't have a knockout punch—and what often happens in situations like this is that the boxer leading on points and who's bloodied the other guy can bait his opponent into walking straight into a haymaker. Obama's I'm sure got a few choice, horseshoe-in-the-glove counters lined up for the desperate maverick whipped mule.

McCain's other problem is that what Lewis said isn't resonating as an “Oh my God, I can't believe he said that! It's so crazy!” moment by anyone other than wingnuts. Remember when Kanye West infamously called out Bush as Katrina was unfolding? There were people running around all henny-penny about how he'd effectively “ended his career” with that rough candor. But Bush's deeds during Katrina were so awful that most people judged West's remarks against that hard reality—and found the truth in them. McCain can bitch and moan, but when people at his rallies are still shouting like bystanders at a pre-lynching torch-party “Kill him!” (of Obama), that ugly truth takes the incendiary nature of John Lewis' words and casts it in reality's hard light.

McCain's rallies DO look like and feature folks who'd be right at home at “pre-lynching torch parties”. And until he gets his crazies under control, he can't effectively fight Obama on the equivalency tip about this. The press has been I'm sure waiting with bated breath and open mics for someone to scream “Whitey!” (LOL @ that debacle and those who ran with it here) or “Break his arms again”, or some such venomous bullshit towards McCain at an Obama rally, but it hasn't happened. (Yet, that is. Some agent-provocateur from the McCain camp will probably show up at an Obama event and pull some shit as the days grow short) As much as McCain and his remaining sycophants (Malkin and Instapundit) rail about “It's happening there, too!”, it AIN'T.

But we know where it IS going down, and that's what gives John Lewis' words weight.

So let him come at Obama on this tonight. I would suggest he “cover his grille” though when he does. Poli-Grip don't hold your choppers in too tight after someone stuffs a couple of leather “Everlast” sandwiches in your mouth against your will.

electric bills and buy milk at the same time.

McCain is beyond out-of-touch. He's wandered out into delusional territory, as evidenced by the polls.

He also said McLame will make a come-back tonight......He can only dream!!

Okay, so he shouldn't say that. LOL

They interjected race and that never benefits Obama. :grr:

Lewis was absolutely right and you have absolutely no proof of what Jackson said - other than a NY Times columnists' out-of-context quotes.

If you think those are "gifts" to John McCain or that either one of them "injected" race into this campaign (why do some people think that race can be discussed ad nauseum but when a black person mentions it, suddenly THEY have injected race into the discussion?), then you just haven't been paying attention to this campaign.

You seem to be one of those people who think black people can do no wrong. We don't need that right now. As a society it's time be moved past race. Got it now? And before you go off on me, I'm black so save it.

On edit: I'm going to break it down for you since you like to jump to conclusions.

Was what John Lewis said true? Of course it was. So, why was it a mistake? Because at the moment he compared him to George Wallace, he gave McCain an instant hole card to play. McCain is pretty predictable, and yesterday morning I posted on a thread what McCain would be say during the debate. And sure enough, he was practicing his debate speech yesterday, claiming to be the victim because he was compared to Wallace. So, yes! It was wrong for Lewis to give him that gift, because now the issue is no longer the hate rallies, it's being compared to Wallace.

Now. We don't need to argue about this any more today. Tonight will prove who was right and who was wrong.

I'm tired of people demanding that Democrats stand up and speak the truth and then when one does, some of us fall all over ourselves condemning them for it because they're afraid the other side will pick on us.

John Lewis was absolutely right and he needed to say just what he did. The fact that McCain and his minions are screaming bloody murder is beside the point. They scream bloody murder no matter WHAT anyone on our side says or does, in case you haven't noticed. We don't get anywhere by tiptoeing around trying to parse our words so that McCain and Pat Buchanan don't try to get political advantage out of it.

By the way, McCain's numbers have not improved nor have Obama's numbers gone down since Lewis' comment, so I don't know what all the consternation from our side is all about. Calling him out wasn't a "gift" to McCain - it merely highlighted his campaign's ugliness and probably brushed him back considerably.

It's time for Democrats to get a backbone - and that includes not ducking for cover anytime someone on our side speaks the truth.

If John McCain wants to bring up John Lewis tonight, I say more power to him. I have no doubt that he will regret it.

like Obama's doing. The only reason that he's doing so well is because he recognizes that he cannot win as the "black candidate." Too bad you don't get. But I'm really happy to say that most of the black people I know, do get it.

The fact that Obama is saying or doing certain things does not mean that that's what every other Democrat is supposed to be saying and doing. Different people across the spectrum play different roles while the candidate remains above it all.

And, by the way, Obama didn't denounce or avoid what Lewis said. In fact, he said his point was correct. He simply said he did not equate McCain to Wallace's policies, but that the tone he was setting was very dangerous. And if McCain wants to bring this up tonight, he will walk right into Obama's trap since this is NOT a discussion that McCain should ever want to have with this man.

You can duck and hide and tell the rest of us "keep your eye on the prize and just suck it all up so that Obama will win," if you like. But Obama IS winning and he NEEDS some of us to say what he cannot say. I am not going to shut up and be a good girl because YOU don't think that McCain and his crowd should be called on their bullshit.

It's obvious Jackson dislikes Obama and is no friend

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/16/jesse-jackson-caught-on-m_n_111732.html

WASHINGTON - In a shocking blast at Barack Obama that was caught on tape, the Rev. Jesse Jackson said, "I wanna cut his nuts out."

He made the astonishingly vulgar remark as he accused the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee of giving moral lectures to African-Americans.

"See, Barack been talking down to black people . . . I wanna cut his nuts out," Jackson said.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/07102008/news/nationalnews/jesses_a_nut_job_119244.htm

She was a nasty little you-know-what. She was also black.

I've been waiting for Obama to say something about it for months, but he hasn't.

I dunno how he expects me to vote for him if he acts like that, frankly.

I might have to vote for McCain, 'cause he is the EXACT DAMN OPPOSITE of a 12-year-old black wanna-be gangbanger girl in Oakland in 1988, that's for damn sure. :P

Obama has had to "denounce" and repudiate so many people in this election it's a wonder that he hasn't had to repudiate himself. Has any other candidate had to "denounce" and repudiate as many people in any election whether or not the people/organizations are acting in an official capacity to his campaign? How many people/organizations has John McCain (or any Republican) ever had to "denounce"?

Based on my recollection, to date, Obama has been called upon to denounce or in some way "repudiate":

1.) Reverend Wright (a close personal friend of Obama and his family of many years. A little "fiery" but certainly not any more loony or controversial than Pat Robertson or John Hagee. Of course, watch out! Angry black man!!!)
2.) William Ayers (funded by a wealthy Republican donor and associated with a variety of other prominent Chicago Republicans and has given up his violent past and worked to improve society. He MUST still be evil!)
3.) ACORN (wait a minute- didn't McCain have ties to this organization as well and what exactly have they- as an organization- been found guilty of having done?)
4.) John Lewis (Didn't McCain use this guy as an example of somebody whose opinions he valued at Saddleback? Maybe accusing McCain of being like George Wallace is a bit much but he and his "pitbull" aren't exactly helping the cause of improving race relations either)
5.) Jesse Jackson (I don't understand his apparent hostility towards Obama but I'm positive he does NOT speak for Obama's campaign)

Have I missed any?

On the other hand, here's a list of people that John McCain has been called on to repudiate:


Got it?

But that doesn't mean I think we have to keep adhering to it. I'm calling it out and am glad that Obama is breaking the mold by not falling into the "I'd better repudiate every black person you don't agree with so that you will accept me" trap.

AND come off as Presidential likeable and not frantic. In the 35 minutes or so of the time he will have to speak.

with McCain supporters shouting death threats and there is no reason McCain or Palin should say anything when it happens. What a disgusting bunch.

I still think that someone from the other side made the remarks and not McCain supports. I think it is the same thing at the Obama rally's. People shout things but that doesn't make them supporters of Obama. I offer for evidence the "Iron my shirt" crowd. No one thought they were Dem's at the rally for Sen Clinton.

Raebrek!!!

I guess there's none. BOOO= Kill him! I don't think so.

McCain clearly hears him by his facial reaction, but says nothing and keeps going on with his speech. This shit can't be denied.

and that these questions are valid and need to be asked about Obama's character....like these questions haven't been dredged up and answered a gazillion times before....:eyes:

Why exactly does McAsshole think that Obama has ANY responsibility for what Lewis said?

Hmmmmmmm....yeah, wait, now I get it ~~ you explained it: They are both black...yep, that's it!

:sarcasm:

Judging by the number who are criticizing Lewis for saying what he did - not because they necessarily disagree with him, but because he "shouldn't have said it because it helps McCain." The only way it helps McCain is if you buy the notion that because he's black and because Obama's black, Obama is somehow responsible for his comments.

I am really sick of hearing supposed Democrats denounce race-baiting in campaigns, but then demand that Obama duck and give in to the race-baiting in order to be accepted. It's very sad.

...and I sure as hell don't feel like I have to apologize for McAsshole.

ever been associated with who has made a remark that might be offensive to someone. That should pretty much take up all his time in the debate.

that compared Obama to Osama. Yet somehow JJackson speaks for Obama's campaign.

Great catch!

as his party. I hope they'll show how desperate, dishonest, ugly and nasty they are and Obama will shows how presidential, honest, calm and collected he his.

Obama defend something that Harry Belafonte had said two weeks earlier AND something that Harry Belafonte had said the day before the interiew. Talk about a tin ear.

Pubs seem to specialize in tin, don't they? Tin ears, tin foil hats.