What If God Loses the Election?

God wants John McCain to win the election. I know because I hung out with a bunch of his supporters at a Sarah Palin rally on Monday and they told me. But it looks very likely that McCain will actually lose the election. Which raises the obvious question: If God doesn't get what he wants, will he take his toys and go home? Please?

Wouldn't God be happier working his wonders in private individual lives where he's better able to have his way? When things go wrong there, it's because God has a bigger purpose that we can't understand because we're the sort of creatures who were dumb enough to believe in him in the first place.

But when God lets a socialist darkie who pals around with terrorists and supports infanticide take the reins of the global empire in the only world he ever created, and which he spent a full six days on without bathroom breaks, surely it's time the deity began looking for alternative employment.

Am I dreaming the impossible, or might we not use the upcoming electoral defeat of the theocrats as an opportunity to politely ask God to stay out of our government? Might we be able to explain to the shrinking sect of trickledowners, warmongers, racists, and corporatists that if they want to be taken seriously in American public life they have to stop glorifying ignorance and subservience and exhibit some signs of contact with thought or knowledge?

Just an idea.

When you watch this video of these people explaining how they think, it's tempting to conclude that they mean well and are trying to get it right but are just misinformed, just have some facts wrong, have just watched too much Fox and don't know these sorts of things. But if you pry just a little further, you discover that they don't want to know. They aren't prepared to consider that their nation might have ever done anything cruel. They don't want to consider the possibility that we might be responsible for any suffering or responsible for failing to alleviate it. They aren't open to considering that some of the scary things they've been told have been told for the purpose of scaring them, that some of the myths they've been told about the need to enrich the wealthy have been told purely to enrich the wealthy. They're deeply frightened, even before turning on Fox, and they have never imagined that they themselves might have played any small role in anything that's ever gone wrong in the world. Why should they when there are so many people to blame who have darker skin and funny names and like to kiss people with whom they cannot procreate?

So here's my proposal: We need to make perfectly clear to these people that they can never again impose their bigoted bronze age views on the rest of us through our democratic republic. They can play with their fairytale action figures at home, while we work on providing a system of education and public communications that will make it far less likely that their grandchildren will ever be so pathetically stupid and insecure.

No candidate is perfect....there is ONE perfect person and He is smart enough to stay clear of politics and politicians....

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its pretty obvious Hindu is kicking Gods ass.

If McCain doesn't win, the people who are praying to those other gods will think that their god is bigger than God god.


Bat. Shit. Crazy.

It's like they honestly believe in all sorts of Gods, and simply worship one in particular because he's the strongest.

I think he has a bunch of arms. Ha! Beat that, God! God's only got two!

Also sometimes he has an elephant head but sometimes he doesn't, and sometimes he has like a ring of fire or some shit, and sometimes he's blue or something. It's really confusing. Maybe those are like costumes Hindu wears? Yeah, that must be it. Hindu's got costumes! God doesn't. God is boring. Hindu is fun! And has arms.

God that is often pictured standing or dancing on a someone (demon I think). I didn't think there was a God named Hindu, I thought that word applied to the entire polytheistic religion.

Shiva:

Hindus follow Hinduism, a belief system in which Shiva is one of the forms that can be taken by Brahman, the Supreme Being.

Because mainstream Hinduism believes that all gods and goddesses are merely manifestations of the Supreme Being, Hinduism is actually henotheistic, not polytheistic. Another popular religion that is henotheistic and not strictly monotheistic is Christianity, with its belief that God exists in three parts, which can be separate or combined. This is effectively identical to Hinduism, just that Brahman can have far more than just three manifestations at one time.

Islam, Judaism, and the Bah'ai Faith are the three largest of the truly monotheistic faiths.

The Trinity in Christian theology consists of three persons (Creator, Redeemer, Sustainer--AKA Father, Son, Holy Spirit)in one God. Remember the old Trinity symbol in the stained glass window? The Father is God, the Son is God, the Holy Spirit is God, but not three gods. The concept of the Trinity does pretty much stretch the oneness of God about as far as it can go, though.

Also I think maybe the problem started with that old fight between St. Peter and St. Paul in ancient times. Peter wanted conversion to Christianity to be a two-step process for gentiles--they must become Jewish first. Paul fought hard for the idea that gentiles could be converted directly to Christianity. He won the day--but we still have this weird problem of Christians who can't get monotheism.

Just as Christians see their God as having three forms, all of which are God, so the Hindus see Brahman, the Supreme Being, as having three primary forms -- Shiva, the Destroyer of Evil; Vishnu, the Preserver; and Brahma, the Creator -- all of which are the One God. This isn't precisely monotheism, and speaking of "stretch(ing) the oneness of God...as far as it can go," THE big issue Islam has with Christianity is this idea that God is one and yet three all at the same time, like in Hinduism, which Muslim scholars have argued for centuries is not true monotheism. This is basically a form of henotheism, not monotheism - I'd argue that if Christianity is monotheistic then by default so is Hinduism.

I think from reading the early history of the Christian church, the concept of the Trinity was more or less made up from whole cloth well after the apostolic period to explain how God could be one being yet have a son who was also God, even though in the actual Judaic view, the Messiahs (there were others) were ALWAYS mere mortals chosen by God to do his works on Earth, not deities in their own right -- 'messiah' simply means 'an anointed one.' I strongly believe the 'holy spirit' was never intended to be some sort of separate being, but was merely intended to convey the feeling of purpose and mission that descended on the apostles. But since many religions of the period (from Celtic theology to Hinduism) held 'three' as a holy number, someone may have felt it valuable for Christianity to have a tripartite god as well. And so the 'holy spirit' became the 'Holy Spirit.'

You're right about the conflict between Peter and Paul - I don't think they cared much for each other. It's clear Peter tried to continue Jesus' intention of reforming and cleansing Judaism, whereas Paul wanted to repackage the whole thing and 'go global.'

The elephant head is Lord Ganesha. The ring of fire refers to Shiva. The blue color was intended to refer to Vishnu (and his avatars, most notably Lord Krishna); that's the first time I've ever seen Shiva with blue skin.

The declaration of "Hindu" as a god is a reference to the insane preacher who prefaced a McCain rally by asking God to prove he was bigger than the other gods in the world: Allah, Buddha, and Hindu. There is no such god. Moreover, Buddha is not a deity.

It flashed on me when I looked at that picture. I KNOW that dwarf...we all do, we know him better than we ever wanted to. And now he's suffering the inevitable fate of all illusions. I never thought I'd live to see the day...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5g0d3_KE5js

(Note to Pastor Conrad: the Buddha isn't a god, either.)

Take that Dobson- And take your Wimpy, bigoted "god" with you.

Of course, it is not allied with them, either. They're simply a small, loud, and self-important part of the Republican coalition. I think it's too much to hope that there's any denunciation of or challenge to them, be it overt or covert. They'll continue to be loud, obnoxious, vitriolic and hypocritical, just as they were under Clinton. However, since they'll be out of power, and since we'll have the reins of government, we'll indeed be able to work on improving that system of education.

...people with this attitude make me want to puke. I'm no bible thumper, but come on! Didn't anyone ever read Luke 4:12? "Jesus answered, "It says: 'Do not put the Lord your God to the test." When people like that dipshit who gave the invocation at the McCain event try to call out God, that's among the most blasphemous things someone can say. You see why I left that party??

and pretty much every other verse in the bible... including the apocryphal books... back when I was a fundie.


Wanna know the real reason why god won't make John McCain win?

Because he doesn't exist.

God... not McCain, unfortunately.

If you read it in English, you were misinformed. There isn't one English translation of the Bible that's worth the paper it's printed on.

Sheesh, you guys have had 2000 years to come up with a decent translation. Lazy bums!

There isn't a version of the bible in any language that's woth the paper it's printed on.

Unless you are talking about it's literary merit or its questionable historical veracity, the bible is pretty much worthless.

If you factor in the blood that has been shed over differing attitudes toward and interpretations of the bible, it has an almost incalculable negative worth.

:evilgrin:

Having been raised a hardcore fundy, this is sooooooo easy: you have to take the whole Bible as the absolute and literal Word of God, to be followed without question, except for inconvenient verses like Luke 4:12, which doesn't mean what it says! It really means something else more...convenient than that...probably just means 'written tests' or something... Just like all that 'turning the other cheek' malarky Jesus kept spouting off about. Just ignore it and proclaim that Jesus believed in perpetual war and an eye for an eye! Problem solved! And don't even get me started on the one about a rich man getting into heaven. Clearly Jesus LOVES rich people or they wouldn't be rich! Just another verse that's...ummmm...misinterpreted a lot by layman...uhhhh...really means something else...

I left the party too. First the Independent Fundamentalist Baptist party, then the Protestant party, then the Christian party. Still hanging out alone by the punch bowl at the There is a God party, but starting to look at my watch and eye the door...

And yes, I do see why you left. Demanding that God do as you wish and claiming to know the divine mind are presumption.

-Laelth

Or buy them an election.

:evilgrin:

:hi:

:woohoo:

Muahahaaaaa!!! :evilgrin: :toast: :evilgrin:


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God wants Obama to win. I'm skeptical though, because if there was a God, we wouldn't have Bush in office right now.

Or maybe frogs.

With any luck the frogs will eat the locusts.

... and His noodliness will triumph over all evil...

Their god has to have humans help him get some guy elected, when back in his younger days he created the whole Universe in less than a week.

Their god has to be protected from blasphemy and heresy, lest he be offended.

He needs fundraisers in churches to finance his plans.

He get angry a LOT at some pretty inconsequential stuff, and when he gets angry he needs to have humans go punish whoever made him angry because when he sends earthquakes and hurricanes they often hit people who had nothing to do with whatever made him angry, indicating his aim isn't what it used to be either.

He is a jealous god - we are told this a lot, and he gets jealous of an odd assortment of things that you'd think would be beneath consideration for a supreme being.

If this was how Christianity were presented to me I think I'd tell Christians to take their feeble little god and take a hike. Actually, being raised a fundy, this IS how it was presented to me come to think of it, which is why I ain't no Christian no more. Deism is a more chilled place to be, theologically.

The system double-posted me somehow.

Loved this paragraph:

Am I dreaming the impossible, or might we not use the upcoming electoral defeat of the theocrats as an opportunity to politely ask God to stay out of our government? Might we be able to explain to the shrinking sect of trickledowners, warmongers, racists, and corporatists that if they want to be taken seriously in American public life they have to stop glorifying ignorance and subservience and exhibit some signs of contact with thought or knowledge?

This won't be God's first loss, nor his last. This is what people get when they inject their own religious views into politics.

Then everyone else will win.

Palin's overt attachment to the end-of-the-world fanatics is among the most frightening aspects of the McCain ticket.

Its a great book that describes the make of these people. They are authoritarians. They believe they are right, facts be damned, they believe their leaders would never betray them.

Wish he would just SHUT THE FUCK UP ! http://www.wisecountyissues.com

Know what 'Party of God' is in Arabic? Hizballah! Awwww, and he probably thinks he was the first to come up with that!

"Your God is my Devil."

God is supposed to be bush as bush certainly acts like he is. If God really would've got what he would've wanted there would have been many things different and that would include bush never coming near the White House and that goes for his daddy and ray-gun too with all of the little angels of hell that went along with them.:grr:

However, I don't think God influences elections. The things that are important to us are trivial to a guy/girl/spirit/whatnot that has to take care of an entire universe and whatever is outside of the universe as well. I think we personalize God's feelings about things when he actually has nothing to do with it. If they believe that God gives everyone free will then God gives everyone free will to elect a numb-skull like Bush or a stand up guy like Obama.

we are given that freedom of choice or "FREEWILL", but as I said I don't believe God is getting His way with the poor choices being made down here. bushco is the perfect (pun intended) example that He isn't getting His way.

Christ said something about love, forgiveness and brotherhood. I'm not sure that I can find these principles in her group, haven't dug too deeply yet, so perhaps they may have gotten other things wrong as well, such as the belief that the bible says to bully everyone and to take over the government in order to force everyone else to do what they want. Which are the exact same sorts of problems Christ addressed in his time. :shrug:

or we're going to have a political Katrina.

:evilgrin:

and I think Jesus would be pissed his name is being used by these idiots to do malicious things

To all of it.

But my take on Palin is also willful ignorance--a smart woman who, for whatever reason, has decided that the best way to get through life is to not question, not reason, not think. I have relatives like this, and many things enter into this decision. View of what a female is, wanting to please Daddy, and being told from a young age that to challenge religious thought is blasphemy....
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